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Title: 40% of American Jews "not driven by the word of God," says McCain supporter John Hagee
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URL Source: http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/ ... n-jews-not-driven-by-word.html
Published: Mar 3, 2008
Author: John Aravosis
Post Date: 2008-03-03 16:08:34 by aristeides
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40% of American Jews "not driven by the word of God," says McCain supporter John Hagee by John Aravosis (DC) · 3/03/2008 12:12:00 PM ET And the liberal agenda is they are pro-abortion. They're pro-homosexual. They're pro-gay marriage -- they want men to marry men and women to marry women -- and their difference with me is not really what I'm doing with Israel. Their hostility to me is poisoned by their liberalism. They take a liberal position that poisons their view of what we could be doing for Israel. Note that a bit more than one-third of American Jews (around 41%, per the latest PEW survey) belong to the Reform (or "liberal," as Hagee would say) denomination of Judaism. More here.
I think if I could put a dividing line, the Orthodox and Conservatives who have a Torah appreciation give us wholehearted support. The rest [of Jews] who are not driven by the Word of God have a liberal agenda.
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#83. To: FOH (#75)
I'm not in favor of anyone raising any children for your precious amoral ZOG, zionist. Once the ZOG disappears, however, everything changes.
You think you're that good with the pink jail paint? Word of advice about that other thread - the one now that has you all over me like a vampire: Next time you involve zionists with allegedly sarcastic softball questions, make sure the sarcasm looks like it isn't directed at the reader, and try not to be lame.
Hilarious.
Is there anything in the Bible about a plague of obese retards? You are Rush Limbaugh, right?
You're swinging at ghosts... Booga-booga. Booo!!! Count me terrorized.
Sorry to hear that. When did you all get promoted?
Hagee's a war-monger. Don't be juvenile. It's not funny. Zionists are only funny to themselves or unintentionally.
I had to step away for a few hours and return to see numbnutz still blathering his madness. Got his little shorts all twisted up good and tight--so tight, he can't even remove his head from his ass to get a breath of fresh air. If numbnutz would have a doctor implant a plexiglass window in his stomach, he could see where he was going and not make such an ass of himself. This must be the week for 'broadbrushing' people about whom they are clueless. Or tossing buzzwords around like they're really hip or in the know..........
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
From the Christian perspective, it truly varies. There are Christians who follow the Old Testament, and those who don't. There are Christians who follow the 10 Commandments (each one) and those who only follow some. Likewise with Jews, in that some of them are reform, and others are orthodox, and all shades in between. I don't see much earthly Zionism in the New Testament, but then again I'm not a biblical scholar. I do see that America's constitution says nothing about the state of Israel. I also see that the Clean Break policy is in Israel's interest and not necessarily mine. What has become clear to me is that Christian Zionists, especially of the rapture doctrine persuasion, are very committed to using American foreign policy as an instrument of eschatology. The result of this is that they imagine the country of Israel as having defense and economic boundaries that are virtually within the extended limits of the United States. In other words, Christian Zionists (those who believe that God's kingdom can be realized on earth by human actions) have joined themselves with Jewish Zionists, and they want to use my tax dollars, our children's blood, and our national security as a tool for propagating these beliefs. What's in it for America? I think the reactions to the 9/11 Reichstag fire speak for themselves. The Constitution, formerly under attack, post-9/11 is dead. I supported Ron Paul because he did not follow the Christian Zionist template of Tancredo and Hunter. He was willing to treat Israel as any other country on the planet: as a potential friend, but a separate country from the United States. Until our borders are secure, the illegal alien problem is solved, our troops are withdrawn from needless foreign wars, our spending is under control, our fiscal policy has been restored, we do not even have time to spend on Israel's concerns. Anyone who advocates American policies that benefit Israel at the expense of American interests in any way deserves to be politically skewered. The trick played on the American people in the press is that Israel's national security relates to ours. How did this happen? We have plenty of clues, and one of them is that our Homeland Security Department head is Chertoff, who has dual citizenship with Israel. Many of the loudest proponents of RealID and the Patriot Acts have been pro-Israel Jews or Christian Zionists. (Hunter being a prime example.) Ron Paul offered a way forward that permitted Israel to conduct its own foreign policy separate from ours. But the media has done everything it can to stop that from happening. I think we know why. When push comes to shove, secular Jews in leadership positions in our Establishment tend to side with anyone who will continue to support an American foreign policy of Zionism. Until our republic is restored, all who advocate American government support for Zionism are part of the problem. Unless Christian Zionists concede that America's earthly foreign policies toward Israel are none of their concern, they're part of the problem. We see this on TOS2 every day. Somehow they could never get behind ending the Iraq war. They could never support Ron Paul. They could never support withdrawing our forces from strategic locations around the planet that benefit Israel. An independent Israel is in everyone's interests. Without American foreign aid welfare, Israel would have to conduct a very different foreign and domestic foreign policy. As Ron Paul has suggested, if Iraq and Iran were serious threats to Israel, its troops would be doing the fighting, not ours. Without a need to defend Israel militarily, many of our self-destructive foreign policies could change overnight. We could come home from Iraq and stop threatening Iran, since these would be Israel's problems instead of ours as well. The notion that global security required us to put Israel under our umbrella appears to be a tool of the global government advocates. One of the UN's first tasks was establishing Israel, for example. Israel managed to capture America's support during the Cold War, but when will it end? No time soon, as far as Hagee is concerned. Hagee is part of the problem. He's in the middle of it. And he deserves to be criticized for it. He's misleading America's rapture believers into deeper and deeper associations of Israel with America's foreign policy. He might as well be working for the Council on Foreign Relations.
No need. You raise some good points about facts in arguments. That's excellent advice for me.
I regularly call for their impeachment and removal from government.
Only zionist rectums call me "numbnutz."
Put some real meat out there that people can digest, not just me, numbnutz....but all the 'lurkers' or other silent types. Make your friggin case..........talking in buzzwords or code is plain and simple bullshit..........you're tossing lots of words around at the fan, just hoping against hope that they're light enough they'll stick on the wall, rather than slide down to become the shitpile of junk. The fact is - you're an idiot.
What points are those? That facts are only facts when rowdee says they are? That's bullshit. Zionism is amoral and that's a fact.
What makes you think I'd answer such a moronic question?
Excerpt from "The Fatal Embrace" Jews and the State by Benjamin Ginsberg: "To be sure, where Jews forge a close reltionship with the State, they may well obtain protection and a considerable measure of power. In ancient Babylonia, all citizens were required to bow before the exilarch, or leader of the Jewish community". Exilarch = Head Pharisee ie., head Jew. These people (Jews/Babylonians) have always been intimately and critically involved in international implementation of police state governments for their own profit and power motives, but more importantly they have waged perpetual war against everyone else in society through adherence to the hegelian dialectic with every intention of ruling over the earth itself. )()()()()()()(()()()()()(()()()()()()()()()(()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()(()
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
Oh, that's right. There is no God (outside of you being your own god). "God" is something crazy people like you invented and now re-invent on a daily basis. By the way, your apparently anti-zionist act is wearing thin.
The only person I've seen talking like that claimed to be jewish.
It's actually a rigged dialectic. The Hegelian dialectic does not have to be rigged, so "Hageelian dialectic" is more like it.
Any person who says the left or the right is sinking the country faster than zionism, like Hagee does, is a person who is apparently mentally out to lunch at a roach coach.
LMAO seems like FFum at last has its very own paid shill-provocateur "international socialist committee of the anointed who will rule you because of their superiority and because its for your own good". sounds like ell pee redux
I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing, and you're about to feel it.
Oops, their thermate is showing.
Hey, flip-flopping zionist fruit tree - go water yourself.
You mean the "Culture of Life" (TM) as seen on TV.
I'm going to wait until the zionist (aka "neo-con") apologist takes a short break from his constant nationalistic expansionism in order to bring up "moral relativism" before I bust a nut laughing.
hilarious, and way too cute for the real Hagee
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' But I wouldn't call you Dipwad. :) You have always seemed reasonable and respond to questions when asked. You don't just throw flippin words around like the basement dweller to make yourself appear to be hip or in the know or whatever debased reason numbnutz has for flinging his shit around. And you certainly don't act as though everyone in the forum is an adversary.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
Loser-child, you sure think you are getting a lot of mileage out of pretending you sent your childish post to buckeye by mistake.
I don't see it either, nor do I see any other nation mentioned. Nor do I see where Christian-State World Dominance by force is found in the Bible. The fact of the matter is, everyone has fault in this mess. Sadly, most Christians (whether they're right, wrong or confused) would not get behind Ron Paul for lack of understanding. It's not difficult to understand, for me at least.
Our last hope for peace It appears numbnutz has turned his basement bully tactics your way.....did you ever get an answer to a plain simple question you asked? Didn't think you would. Me neither... At least even the newest of lurkers or readers will be able to follow the thread and see just how shallow or lame he/she/it is; that the same he/she/it doesn't want to discuss or debate or educate but rather wants to be seen as being hip or with it. I guess the basement is lonelier than usual of late.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
I support the sovereign State of Israel as much as I supported the sovereign State of Iraq and the sovereign State of the united States of America, etc. To say it's hilarious watching the muzzbots, atheists and followers of St. Augustine/Martin Luther/Adolf Hitler go on and on is an understatement though!
Our last hope for peace translation: I nailed you two zionist to the wall.
Oh well...it's nobody.
Our last hope for peace Suggested title: "Study of yet another wilt-leaf zionist plant protesting too much."
LOLOL! Tell Adolf what a fan you are when you get there.
Our last hope for peace Its probably the case that most haven't heard of him. Back around 1999 or 2000, when I was posting at tos1, I had a friend over in Washington state who was also a supporter of Alan Keyes. She related the story about how no one where she worked knew who he was--not even the black men or women. I'm sure there some racists that would have some smart-assed remarks re this, but it would fly in the face of the fact that blacks have always been looking for leaders, someone they can look up to as one of theirs. Whether one likes Keyes or not, he is very intelligent, he is well spoken. He isn't shy about speaking up or out---and yet none of them knew who he was. Once they were given transcripts or a video of some of his speeches, they were ticked that they, their families, and their friends, had been shut off from knowing anything about the guy. Not everyone is all gung ho in politics like most of us here; not everyone has cable or satellite; not everyone reads full articles, if they take the newspaper, but IIRC, research has shown they generally read the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the story and move on. They're involved in job(s), church, school, their families and their childrens activities.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
Tell everyone what a great guy Hagee is again.
He/she/it couldn't have picked a more appropriate screen name.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
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#84. To: HOUNDDAWG (#78)
The good news is, he won't be here for long.
#85. To: FOH (#59)
If God is a "Zionist", then you can bet your last amero that I am one too.
#86. To: FOH (#75)
#87. To: FOH (#74)
Seriously, with God all things are possible, but YOU. YOU are a bound up piece of work.
#88. To: FOH (#74)
You're swinging at ghosts
#89. To: FOH (#48)
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Listening to nobody talk about Christians is like being lectured to on pornography by Ted Bundy.
#90. To: HOUNDDAWG (#78)
#91. To: FOH, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG (#59)
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Do you believe that God is a "Zionist"?
#92. To: rowdee (#27)
Buckeye, my apologies...
#93. To: rowdee (#25)
You should be more concerned with the likes of Wolfy, Rummy, Cheney, Condi, Perley, and any other neo-con bastard that ever came down the pike.
#94. To: FOH, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG (#91)
#95. To: rowdee (#90)
I had to step away for a few hours and return to see numbnutz still blathering his madness.
#96. To: rowdee (#24)
Dipwad......I am NOT in Hagee's corner, numbnutz! You're trying to make a case against him, so damn it do so--with FACTS, not your own personal opinion, which you somehow equate to 'facts'.
#97. To: buckeye (#92)
You raise some good points about facts in arguments.
#98. To: FOH (#67)
Yeah, right after you answer the question "Is God a "Zionist?"".
#99. To: nobody, thread (#96)
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#100. To: FOH (#59)
Do you believe that God is a "Zionist"?
#101. To: FOH (#75)
There is no God (outside of you being your own god).
#102. To: noone222 (#99)
hegelian dialectic
#103. To: noone222 (#99)
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#104. To: nobody (#38)
FOH
#105. To: JCHarris (#104)
#106. To: JCHarris (#104)
"international socialist committee of the anointed who will rule you because of their superiority and because its for your own good"
#107. To: FOH (#39)
God hater
#108. To: JCHarris (#104)
international socialist committee of the anointed
#109. To: JCHarris (#104)
#110. To: Hagee (#105)
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#111. To: buckeye (#92)
No need. You raise some good points about facts in arguments. That's excellent advice for me.
#112. To: rowdee (#111)
#113. To: buckeye (#91)
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I do see that America's constitution says nothing about the state of Israel.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#114. To: FOH (#111)
#115. To: JCHarris, nobody (#104)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#116. To: rowdee (#114)
basement bully tactics
#117. To: rowdee (#114)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#118. To: FOH (#115)
I support the sovereign State of Israel as much as I supported the sovereign State of Iraq and the sovereign State of the united States of America, etc. To say it's hilarious watching the muzzbots, atheists and followers of St. Augustine/Martin Luther/Adolf Hitler go on and on is an understatement though!
#119. To: nobody (#118)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#120. To: FOH (#113)
Sadly, most Christians (whether they're right, wrong or confused) would not get behind Ron Paul for lack of understanding.
#121. To: FOH (#119)
#122. To: FOH (#117)
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