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Title: Ron Paul: Idiot or Coward?
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Published: Mar 4, 2008
Author: honway
Post Date: 2008-03-04 16:29:42 by honway
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Views: 1494
Comments: 58

If Ron Paul does not have the capacity to evaluate the available information and conclude that there is a U.S. government cover-up concerning 9/11,then he is an idiot.

If Ron Paul has concluded correctly that there was a U.S. government cover-up concerning 9/11 and was afraid to tell it like it is in his campaign, then the man is a coward.

Either way, the people remaining in the United States that support the U.S. Constitution are not served well by a flag bearer that is either an idiot or a coward.

If the man really is an idiot, I am glad his 15 minutes are over.

If he is a coward, I regret the missed opportunity.

Had he stood before the American people and guaranteed a full and complete accounting for 9/11 as a primary campaign goal, he may have still lost, but he would have made history. But history often overlooks both idiots and cowards.

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#1. To: honway (#0)

Agree 100%

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   16:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: honway (#0)

There is another conclusion: no cover-up, so he's a really smart guy.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-04   16:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

he's a really smart guy

So are you, ozarks-boy.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   16:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

I'll mark you down for idiot. You don't appear to be a coward.

honway  posted on  2008-03-04   16:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: honway (#0)

Had he stood before the American people and guaranteed a full and complete accounting for 9/11 as a primary campaign goal, he may have still lost, but he would have made history.

After hearing his 911 answer at the debate, I'm convinced he believes the govt. version. I can live with that. What's depressing is all this crappola about getting his message out. Anderson Cooper told him to pipe down at the last CNN debate, and he meekly complied. Not he's locked in a bruising House fight where he's up by more than 30%. Sorry.....our revolutionary hasn't the fire.

PS: Cyni.

Please send him MORE of your beer money.

Things are getting tight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-04   16:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

There is another conclusion: no cover-up, so he's a really smart guy.

I'll go with that one...and add 'patriot' to boot.

Pern  posted on  2008-03-04   16:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

There is another conclusion: no cover-up, so he's a really smart guy.

I see the freakers have arrived at Freedom4um or someone played hookey from school and started this mindless thread.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-03-04   16:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: honway (#0)

Idiot or Coward

Neither, Truthers are a minority. Better to play along, get elected and then put people

in place to find proof. But that dream is dead.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-04   16:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: LACUMO (#7)

mindless thread.

I don't mind it either.

Zionist idiots on this thread pretending to be something else while they cover up the 9/11 zionist inside job .... that's a little different.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   16:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: honway (#0)

Who cares what he thinks? People get too wrapped up in personality cults. Patriotism is bigger than Ron Paul, and I say that respecting the man. I just will not worship him or view him as a kind of messiah or champion.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-03-04   16:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: castletrash (#8)

There's proof all over youtube. The zionist horse won't drink. ZOG's hydro- phobic.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   16:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: honway (#0)

If the man really is an idiot, I am glad his 15 minutes are over.

...and give thanks that Obama, Clinton or McCain are saving us from the likes of Ron Paul. After all, they are TRUE statesmen that will blow the lid off the 911 coverup. Just you wait 'n see!

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-04   16:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: honway (#4)

Hey, this anti-Paul vanity is also "anti-semitic"!

Zionism and fluoride. A "holy" pairing.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   16:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite (#12)

blow the lid off the 911 coverup

Barkeep, I'll have what pinquinite's having .

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-04   16:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

There is another conclusion: no cover-up, so he's a really smart guy.

What do you make of the fact that the Sean Hannity Show first went into national syndication on 9/10/01? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or confrontational, just wondering what you make of it.

Of course it could very well be a coincidence, but what are the odds that the # 1 neocon/GOP mouthpiece in all of America first hit the big time the day before 9/11? The odds of it happening that exact day must be astronomical.

But then again, I did hit a 99-1 shot at the horse track once.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-04   16:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: honway (#0)

Ron Paul: Idiot or Coward?

Both. Also, an person of chimperor-eske type of honesty?

gord  posted on  2008-03-04   16:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

Sorry.....our revolutionary hasn't the fire.

Branded, scorned as the one who ran.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-04   17:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#12)

and give thanks that Obama, Clinton or McCain are saving us from the likes of Ron Paul. After all, they are TRUE statesmen that will blow the lid off the 911 coverup.

I am old school.

Integrity means something to me.

I despise hypocrisy more than admitted globalists like those you mention.

If a man stands up and speaks about freedom, liberty, and the U.S. Constitution and then ignores the attack on freedom,liberty, and the U.S. Constitution represented by the true nature of 9/11, he has no integrity.

Obama, Clinton and McCain are card carrying members of the CFR party and talk the talk. No one could ever listen to these three and confuse them with someone that believes in freedom,liberty, and the U.S. Constitution.

honway  posted on  2008-03-04   17:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: honway (#0)

Ron Paul: Idiot or Coward?

Ron Paul: Politician.

I gave up on Paul when he chose to speak at Falwell's Liberty University in Lunchbag, Virginia rather than speak up the road at Thomas Jefferson's stomping grounds in Charlottesville.


"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte

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JiminyC  posted on  2008-03-04   17:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: honway (#0) (Edited)

Ron Paul: "911 changed everything. and they loved it... The neocons believed they should be world conquerers.. 20 or 30 people who hijack our domestic civil liberties policy, economic policy, foreign policy.. ...and thats what they wanted. and they even talked before 9/11 NOT that they planned it or expected it. but they always sort of, a lucky event, could be another pearl harbor event, they talked about it being a lucky event,.. it fell in their lap and it changed everything.. and then you get guys like Giuliani that make a living off it.... people have not listened to the admonishment of Benjamin Franklin..

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-04   17:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: MUDDOG (#17)

And as he started to go she said, Billy, keep your head low

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-04   17:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nobody (#1) (Edited)

Imagine the impact if Ron Paul had spent some of the millions he received from freedom loving Americans on ads.

For example.

An ad beginning with the pictures of two of the reported hijackers, Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi.

Then a question or two.

Why did a Saudi Arabian intelligence asset meet these two hijackers at the airport when they arrived in the U.S. and assist these foreigners with very limited English make the transition to living in America?

Why did Omar Al-Bayomi then hand over these hijackers to Abdussattar Shaikh, a highly paid FBI informant?The hijackers moved in with Abdussattar Shaikh, the FBI informant, and lived with him.

Since Abdussattar Shaikh's only income came from the FBI, your tax dollars were used to house two of the hijackers before they attacked us on 9/11.

Elect Ron Paul and Omar Al-Bayomi and Abdussattar Shaikh will answer these questions and explain what they know before a live Congressional hearing for all the American people to see.

honway  posted on  2008-03-04   17:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: honway, *9-11* (#0)

I understand your frustration. What about the arguement that, see if he can win, and then push for the truth after ther election? or, if as some have stated, for realists, it was only about the message all along. Also, the additional arguement that Paul's message of limited constitutional govt , if enacted, would have prevented such treason and secrecy in the first place. Also, the fact that many who weren't even aware of such proper liberty ideals have been exposed to them for the first time through Ron Paul, and may otherwise have never been.

I'm sure you've seen Paul screaming on the morton downey jr show in '88 about george bush senior and the CIA running drugs ("Right Mr Gritz??!" he shouts). I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that he knows the truth about 911 and nothing will convince me otherwise., hence, that may peg him in your category of coward, but he's a sitting congressman, not a fool. I would have liked to see him blow this issue wide open. Seeing as I think he's a good man and respect his decisions, maybe his critics can themselves win congress, establish a widely respected record, raise 30 million, and run for president on a 911 truth platform? why not, if it's so easy?

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-04   17:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: robin, honway (#20)

they even talked before 9/11 about that they planned or expected it

Robin, there was a mistake in that transcript, would you please (for the sake of clarity and accuracy) edit your paste of that thread to convey his correct statement? only one word was wrong but it's important,. It should read,

"they even talked before 9/11, aboutNOT that they planned or expected it,"

thanks

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-04   17:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Artisan (#24)

I think I fixed it.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-04   17:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin (#25)

thanks.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-04   17:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: honway (#22)

i would like to have seen a major ad about the corrupt voting system in this country. RP himself admitted from the getgo that he couldn't win so what better way to truly help this country than to SPOTLIGHT vote fraud.

christine  posted on  2008-03-04   17:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pinguinite (#12)

and give thanks that Obama, Clinton or McCain are saving us from the likes of Ron Paul. After all, they are TRUE statesmen that will blow the lid off the 911 coverup. Just you wait 'n see!

All I know is that if Obama (or Hillary or McCain for that matter) is the answer, it must have been a effin' dumb question!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-03-04   19:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: (#0)

Well hells bells.........I done lost my violin!

Really, honway........when did you start dictating the rules of what is or is not a wise move or decision. Why act like Ron is a dolt, when you certainly know better.

You with 911, someone else with poop, another bitches about not fighting every friggin vote count that didn't have him at the top, someone else with the Fed, someone else with taxes..........and on and on and on. Y'all would have the guy spread so thin, he have the current liar in chief looking like he had some substance! Others bitch because it takes $$$$ to run a friggin campaign.

"Oh yeah....he's my man, my candidate because................... EXCEPT that he doesn't do this, or that, or say this, or wear the right tie, or look to the left for better profile pics, and a zillion other whiny-assed complaints.

I wish to hell all the whiners would simply shut the fuck up. If you hate him, fine. Hate him. Say so........but for gawd's sake don't start putting your thoughts and ideals on him.........run for office yourself!

** Grabs soapbox and stomps off....mumbling

'bunch of assholes anyways'
**

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-04   19:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: JiminyC, honway (#19)

The Libertarian party is similarly populated by numerous 1 issue people. They don't really look for a candidate they agree with so much as count how many issues they disagree with in all candidates. For many, one issue, one action, or one statement is all it takes to give them a reason to self-rightiously turn their backs. I think they just want a reason to set themselves apart from everyone else in the world, giving them either a sense of independence or positioning them to point a finger at failure and say "See, I told you so".

Ron Paul is the best candidate for president this side of 1900 AD. If that's not good enough for you, then that's your choice.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-04   19:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#30)

Ron Paul is the best candidate for president this side of 1900 AD.

I tend to agree, although I don't know much about the earlier ones in this past 100 years.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-04   19:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeye (#31)

Ron Paul is the best candidate for president this side of 1900 AD.

Well, Wilson gaves us the Fed Reserve, and there weren't too many before him. I really don't see how it's possible RP could be topped even then, but sure, my experience is limited to the corrupt times of our age.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-04   20:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#32)

It rankles me when I see TOSsers scoffing at these claims. He's far more conservative than Ronald Reagan, yet they laugh. Apparently Israel-firstness now defines conservatism for a vast number. The Reichstag fire has worked.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-04   20:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Politicians blow (#0)

RP is neither an idiot or a coward, but out of all the marginal candidates I've contributed to over the years, he's the one who raised the most money while getting the least number of votes for his effort. His showing has been abysmal and no amount spinning, blimping, or air craft buzzing can alter that fact. Sorry for not putting out positive vibes; Lord knows it's been honest assessments that have poked holes in his boat.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-04   20:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#34)

Media control is far more absolute than it has been before.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-04   20:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeye (#35)

Yes, and add Mr Diebolt to the equation.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-04   20:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

Yes, but in Ron Paul's case it really wasn't necessary. People haven't heard of him, or he looks like a clown. It has been very easy for the media to expose him either not at all, or as a humorous nag.

If the Internet's influence is at its zenith (before the HR 1955's go into full effect), we're in trouble. It has been the only alternative means for people to learn about a decent candidate.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-04   20:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: rowdee (#29)

You with 911, someone else with poop, another bitches about not fighting every friggin vote count that didn't have him at the top, someone else with the Fed, someone else with taxes..........and on and on and on. Y'all would have the guy spread so thin, he have the current liar in chief looking like he had some substance! Others bitch because it takes $$$$ to run a friggin campaign.

"I have often met the kind of wandering apostle who says: 'Well, everything you are doing is fine, but you really must also take a stand against foreign words in the German language.' And another comes along who says: 'Well, everything you say is good, but you must have a point in your program that says allopathy is dangerous, and you must support homeopathy.'"

As we meandered our way through the ever busy Bree Street, Harry could not help observing how filthy downtown Johannesburg had become. I had made the same disturbing observation myself the day I arrived, but had been reluctant to accept the disturbing fact that decay of public infrastructure seems to be the story in areas of the city inhabited by blacks. Predominantly black areas have become an eyesore. The beautiful lawns and flowerbeds I noticed in some areas three years earlier now tell sad stories of degradation. Some of them have become open-air urinals.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-03-05   0:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: honway (#0)

I think the way Ron Paul handled the 9/11 issue was very smart from a tactical point of view. If he had expressed any other point of view than the one he expressed then his entire campaign would have become about 9/11 truth from that point forward. Now, if he had no expectations of actually trying to win, then that could have been a worthwhile thing to do, but if he thought he had even a small chance of actually winning, then what he did was exactly the right thing to do, IMHO.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-03-05   0:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: rowdee (#29)

yeah

angle  posted on  2008-03-05   6:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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