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Title: Is anyone here NOT sick of the Bush/Clinton crime families as Presidents?
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Published: Mar 5, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-03-05 07:52:57 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Well, are you beginning to get the picture yet?

Do I have to post the way Rockefeller forced Reagan to take Bush 1 as VP?

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

People ask for proof of that, so if you've got it, that would be good.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-05   7:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeye (#1)

Hillary is claiming she won Florida and Michigan. She DIDN't win either of them.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-05   8:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeye (#1)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-05   8:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Read THIS and please tell me why Obama and everyone else is not calling the Clintoons on their comprimise of American security and taking them down over it.

I cannot stand these people, and I am so overwhelmingly angry and fed up I am ready for violent revolution in this country if nothing else can stop our own leaders from taking us down.


Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy, till you find a large rock.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-03-05   9:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

Excellent thanks

Watch this and watch how 41 and 42 and 43 are carrying out the Comm. of 300 plans to turn US into a Communist country just like they did in China to prepare US for takeover by the United Nations, a Communist form of government.

see eye ah drug running into the US

David Rivera:
Final Warning - A History of the New World Order
The Prophecy Club
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6458202011278978911

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911 Octopus - New World Order (Rough Full Length Pre-Release Cut ) NWO CLICK GOOGLE VIDEO:

Click here for newer version: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8205707050292695515 September 11, 1990: President Bush reveals a plan ... all » to destroy America and establish a one-world government. He calls it "a big idea, a New World Order".

The Octopus is too weak to carry out his vision in 1990 because the news media are not under total control. The Octopus spend the next ten years planning a "New Pearl Harbor" event that will terrorize the American Public into abandoning their Bill of Rights and join a Global Fascist Police State where cruel and unusual torture is common and resistance is met with secret detention, mind-altering drugs, and execution.

The Octopus plans to enforce their scheme through the use of little-understood high-tech weaponry and intensive propaganda spread through the news media.

With their tentacles carefully placed in strategic positions within the FBI, the Justice Dept, and the Military, the Octopus decides to attack at the Dawn of a New Millenium, exactly 11 years after their plan was announced by the elder President Bush.

Using an imaginary threat of global "Islamic Terrorism" the Octopus enlists the Neo-cons, Zionists, and Right-Wing Christians to spread their propaganda, making empty promises to each group. Little do they realize that as soon as the Octopus takes total control, Israel and the Religious will be betrayed, and all of mankind will serve only one master: The Octopus.

Loose Change and Terrorstorm helped open your eyes, now see through the lies of the mainstream media and understand clearly what is happening

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-05   9:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, buckeye, cristine, All (#0)

Is anyone here NOT sick of the Bush/Clinton crime families as Presidents?

Well, I'll point to a sizable group right here on 4um.

Yesterday four states cast their votes in their primaries.

Of the the counts available at press time this morning, six and a half million total votes were cast. About four and a half million of those votes went to the two Democrat candidates.

A tiny bit over two million were shared by the three Republican candidates.

Of the total 6.5 million Dr. Paul got 1.2 percent!

Wake up and smell the coffee, buckeye, cristine et al.

The Clintons are going to be back in the White House if something dramatic doesn't happen in PA (and probably MI and FL, if Hitlery get's her way).

For heaven's sake "put your dreams away for another day" as old Blue Eyes used to croon.

I worked at a polling place in a slightly upscale precinct in our town yesterday. The Democrat votes cast were hugely greater than Republicans in that precinct ... many, many of them by women. Sadder yet, of the pitiful out turn of "Republican" voters, I saw the woman of the family declare Democrat and the husband Republican. I leave it to you to guess where those votes went.

Can Paul-ites alone turn this around? Obviously not. But can they help by shaking their friends and relatives out of a coma? They can at least try.

Best as I can determine, PA is same as Oh in respect to the ability to declare party affiliation at the primary polling location, Independents vote "issues only" (PA'ites correct me if I'm wrong, please).

As McInsane would say, "my Keystone State friends, PLEASE urge your Republican and Independent friends and relatives to change their affiliation and vote for Obama on Mar 24".

Otherwise, sit on your butts and pout .... that's all it will take to bring about another 4-8 years of Hill and Bill. Save your protest vote for November. Stop be'in mad, and start gettin' even. Stop the establishment in its tracks.

Time's running out.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   10:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: iconoclast. Queen Hillary, all (#6)

Best as I can determine, PA is same as Oh in respect to the ability to declare party affiliation at the primary polling location, Independents vote "issues only" (PA'ites correct me if I'm wrong, please).

PA is Hillary country. Fast Eddie Rendell - the former DNC chairman and current governor - is firmly in the Clinton's pocket. The only possibly good news coming from Kunta's effort is that Blacks will once again get the wear the victim yoke, which empowers the American racial huckster industry. Change? What a totally laughable campaign slogan :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   10:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

Change? What a totally laughable campaign slogan :)

You gotta believe.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-05   10:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: MUDDOG (#8)

Tug, RIP

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   10:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Yep, "You gotta believe" was Tug and the '73 Mets.

I don't remember the '69 Mets having a slogan.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-05   10:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: iconoclast (#6)

The Democrat votes cast were hugely greater than Republicans in that precinct ...

Yeah...republicans are home en masse. Do you think it's because they support BushCheneyClintonMcCain. The unexpected can happen.

angle  posted on  2008-03-05   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: angle (#11)

Yeah...republicans are home en masse. Do you think it's because they support BushCheneyClintonMcCain. The unexpected can happen.

Yep, I'm wrong more often than I like to admit, but I don't don't give the Pubbies a snowball's chance in November barring another war> breaking out.

That doesn't make sense either ... what does in American politics?

Topping things off, McCain's as flaky, unpredictable and big govt as Hillary is evil.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   12:46:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: MUDDOG (#10)

I don't remember the '69 Mets having a slogan.

God, I can't recall either. I did go to at least 30 home games that year, tho. I knew once we picked up Donn Clendenon in June, we'd have a shot. I can still rattle off that starting lineup.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   12:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: All (#12)

Yeah...republicans are home en masse.

Precisely the ones I'm trying to get through to.

Apparently politics has becone a huge fantasy football game ... and if your "team" stinks you just drop out of the game.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   13:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

What a totally laughable campaign slogan

Sorry, Jethroe ...

I can't even manage a snile over the prospect of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   13:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

I'm amazed that Bush is still breathing ! Must have great protection.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-05   13:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: iconoclast (#15)

I can't even manage a snile over the prospect of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton

Don't forget that there are probably several more Bushes being groomed for the Presidency after another Clinton gets a term.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-05   13:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

PA is Hillary country. Fast Eddie Rendell - the former DNC chairman and current governor - is firmly in the Clinton's pocket.

How thick can you be, Jethroe.

If a fraction of the Republicans had shown up and voted for Obama, he'd have then carried both TX and OH we'd be rid of the odious Clintons forever.

You can't possibly believe that you can'r turn around and vote for any Republican you wish to in November (or stay home then, whatever).

Bush/Cheney don't give damn who wins between McCain and Hillary ... either way their "legacy" will be carried forward, full speed ahead.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   13:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#17)

Don't forget that there are probably several more Bushes being groomed for the Presidency after another Clinton gets a term.

A sickening but not unlikely scenario.

But not if conservatives in this country opt out of the Plutocrat Party and begin the long tough chore of creating a true Constitution based party.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   13:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: iconoclast (#18)

Deny my insight at your own peril. Kunta Kinte will kneel before Queen Hillary (alright, he'll be allowed to wear a suit and tie, but he'll be the court jester just the same).

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   13:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#19)

Take a deep breath brothers and sisters.

Try to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   13:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: iconoclast (#19) (Edited)

But not if conservatives in this country opt out of the Plutocrat Party and begin the long tough chore of creating a true Constitution based party.

Let's take the 5-8% that Ron Paul got in the primaries as a starting base. I'll bet that a lot of those people voted for Bush in 2000 or 2004 because he was a lesser evil or something like that.

If just that fraction were to withold their votes from people like Bush or McCain in the general election, the GOP wouldn't win a single election from now on. With the Democrats and charge and the GOP obsolete, a third party could definitely break through - but not until conservatives realize that McCain and Bush are not a lesser evil, but peas in a pod with Clinton Democrats.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-05   13:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Donn Clendenon

Art Shamsky another good hitter.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-05   14:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: MUDDOG (#23)

Sure, Shamsky had some pop. A Brooklyn boy, IIRC. Backed up Steady Eddie Kranepool, then they both took a back seat to Clendenon when he came on board. Agee, Ed Charles. Cleon Jones, Harrelson, Boswell, JC Martin, Weiss....what a great time in my life. I was a baseball addict and NYC was alive that year with the Jets and Knicks. I still spend long Fall Sunday's listening (Sirius) to the Jets or watching when I'm in NJ. As for the Mets, the strikes finished me. State College has a single A team here (Pirates), so I go when the weather is nice. Saturday's are filled w/the Nittany Lions, smack dab on the 35 yard line. Give me a hoot if you're in town. Lots of room, lots of steaks, all to be enjoyed with 100,000 of my closest friends :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   14:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Deny my insight at your own peril.

Your insight is much closer to a self fulfilling prophecy, ;-)

Don't let the smile fool you, he detests Hillary and will have no trouble finding a running mate with hugely lower negatives than she has. Examples:

Governor Kathleen (Gilligan) Sebelius, serving her second term in Red State Kansas, also has roots in Ohio where her father served as U.S. Congressman and Senator. www.governor.ks.gov/about/bio.ht m

Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico, and a host of other Democrat Governors and Senators more moderate and likable than Hillay.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   14:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: iconoclast (#25)

Governor Kathleen (Gilligan) Sebelius,

She was at build-a-berger this year. She a NWO selectee of some sort.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-05   15:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)

Let's take the 5-8% that Ron Paul got in the primaries as a starting base. I'll bet that a lot of those people voted for Bush in 2000 or 2004 because he was a lesser evil or something like that.

If just that fraction were to withold their votes from people like Bush or McCain in the general election, the GOP wouldn't win a single election from now on. With the Democrats and charge and the GOP obsolete, a third party could definitely break through - but not until conservatives realize that McCain and Bush are not a lesser evil, but peas in a pod with Clinton Democrats.

Well said.

We first must adjust the "Lombardi" maxim of ""Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." to a narrower focus of a series of plays rather than whole game, thereby wearing the bastards down, and ultimately out.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   15:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)

Let's take the 5-8% that Ron Paul got in the primaries as a starting base.

Perot had a sizable base of 3rd party independents in '92. They went poof. He'd did 8% in '96, at the same time Buchanan was actually beating Bob Dole in Iowa and NH. Both bases have since went belly up. In '00, Nader & Buchanan (along w/the Constitution Party) had an app 5-8% base. They also have done a Claude Rains impression. My point? The National Party, with it's two wings, are all the sheeple 'get' and want. Depressing but true.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   15:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Perot had a sizable base of 3rd party independents in '92

He was tracking close to 20% when he did his little drop out/drop in two step. i think he could of

won if he had stuck with it. Perot, Buchanan and Paul probably have a large amount of

crossover in their bases.As for the sheeple, we gots to edumacate them, that's my

stategery.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-05   15:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: castletrash (#26) (Edited)

To: iconoclast

Governor Kathleen (Gilligan) Sebelius,

She was at build-a-berger this year. She a NWO selectee of some sort.

Oh, pardon me. I'll scratch her. /sarc off

Governor Rick Perry of Texas also attended his first for this gathering.

If build-a-berger nuts are planning a public hanging for every American who has ever attended one these soirées they better reserve a damned large arena.

Dragged that one over from WND, LP and ole Snuffy did yuh? ;-)

Just a waste of time to post links, I guess.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   16:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Saturday's are filled w/the Nittany Lions, smack dab on the 35 yard line. Give me a hoot if you're in town. Lots of room, lots of steaks, all to be enjoyed with 100,000 of my closest friends :)

You bet! Now all we need is a designated driver ;)


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-05   16:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Let's take the 5-8% that Ron Paul got in the primaries as a starting base. Perot had a sizable base of 3rd party independents in '92. They went poof.

Rupert's more than capable of responding to that himself ... but in the meantime ... I don't believe that a third party try at the national level was what he was promoting ... instead suggesting that conservatives should withhold their votes from "lesser of two evil" Republicans.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   16:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28) (Edited)

What happened to all of the other Buchanan and Perot supporters? Did they just drop out of politics, or did they go along and drink the Bush Kool Aid?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-05   16:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#33) (Edited)

What happened to Buchanan and Perot supporters? Did they just drop out of politics, or did they go along and drink the Bush Kool Aid?

Good questions.

Either alternative is sad ... the second even worse than the first.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   16:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#33)

i'm a drop out, and those I know best are also political agnostics.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-05   16:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

i'm a drop out, and those I know best are also political agnostics.

Not a bulletin, Jethroe ... and sad. You're essentially a good man.

You've fallen into bad company. I hope you find yourself some new companions,

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   16:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: iconoclast (#34) (Edited)

Either alternative is sad ... the second even worse than the first

A lot of otherwise decent and sensible people that I know were spooked aboard the Bush gravy train by the events of 9/11. Even those who didn't like Bush and didn't vote for him started repeating all the lines about how "everything changed" how we need to "stand behind our President" and all that crap.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-05   17:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Rupert_Pupkin, ALL (#37)

Hillary Clinton Whitewater & the Chinese (Year of the Rat)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-05   17:15:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: iconoclast (#30) (Edited)

"Just a waste of time to post links, I guess"

Not sure if you're kidding, or what, but here is her Wiki page. There it states she attended and

as a footnote there is a link to a Bilderberg.org pdf. I don't think it is totally irrelevent. If

I'm not mistaken she's that horribly bad speaker that gave the rebutal to the state of the union, she's

being preened for something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-05   17:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#38)

Hillary Clinton Whitewater & the Chinese (Year of the Rat)

Yep, it's now the year of the rat, so remember not to write year of the pig on your checks.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-05   17:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

Read THIS and please tell me why Obama and everyone else is not calling the Clintoons on their comprimise of American security and taking them down over it.

because they're all on the same side with the same agenda. they are all CFR'ers who have their marching orders...and i'm convinced that hillary has been the selection for quite some time.

christine  posted on  2008-03-05   18:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: castletrash (#39)

I'm not mistaken she's that horribly bad speaker that gave the rebutal to the state of the union,

Didn't catch it, but I heard her speak recently. She's no Barack Obama or shrieking Hillary, but she does a tolerable job.

she's being preened for something.

Yeah, those cunning Kansans elected her to a second term.

She opted for Obama and rejected Hitlery early on, Hill being the bitch that inspires fear, not admiration within the Democrat Party.

Sounds politically ambitious to me.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   19:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#37)

A lot of otherwise decent and sensible people that I know were spooked aboard the Bush gravy train by the events of 9/11. Even those who didn't like Bush and didn't vote for him started repeating all the lines about how "everything changed" how we need to "stand behind our President" and all that crap.

Sad but true.

Now, the two alternative choices are utterly unacceptable.

Hope, decency, positiveness, and change trump same ole, same ole for us.

My wife and I were talking about the current situation this morning, she saying he has no alternative but to go negative. I say he stays on the high road but must use some carefully chosen surrogates to do the dirty work ... God knows there's enough dirt out there.

He had the common sense, sorely lacking for two decades, to call the Iraq fraud for what it was. That caps it for me.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   20:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: castletrash (#39)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius

I cite wikipedia fairly often, selectively, but it is not my first choice.

Partiality there is not hard to spot.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-05   20:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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