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Title: Radio Fear America
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/o ... tml?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
Published: Mar 11, 2008
Author: New York Times
Post Date: 2008-03-11 13:34:56 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 77
Comments: 2

Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia read the funnies over the radio to cheer up New Yorkers during a newspaper strike. President Franklin Roosevelt gave “fireside chats” to bolster Americans during the depression. President Bush used his radio address on Saturday to try to scare Americans into believing they have to sacrifice their rights and their values to combat terrorism.

Mr. Bush announced that he had vetoed the 2008 intelligence budget because it contains a clause barring the C.I.A. from torturing prisoners. Mr. Bush told the nation that it “would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror — the C.I.A. program to detain and question key terrorist leaders and operatives.” That is simply not true. Nothing in the bill shuts down the C.I.A. interrogation program. It just requires the C.I.A.’s interrogators to follow the rules already contained in the Army field manual on prisoners.

The manual does not stop interrogators from questioning prisoners aggressively. It simply forbids the use of techniques that are regarded by most civilized people as abuse and torture, including sexual abuse, electric shocks, mock executions and the infamous form of simulated drowning known as waterboarding.

In a letter we published on Sunday, Mark Mansfield, the C.I.A. spokesman, said the agency has no objections to those restrictions and that the “C.I.A. neither conducts nor condones torture.”

We’re glad he cleared that up. Mr. Mansfield’s boss, the C.I.A. director, Gen. Michael Hayden, told Congress recently that he had banned waterboarding in 2006 (after the courts started questioning Mr. Bush’s detention policies), but he was still “not certain” whether it is legal.

General Hayden’s boss, the director of national intelligence, thinks it is, and Vice President Dick Cheney apparently agrees.

That made us wonder what Mr. Mansfield had in mind when he wrote that the field manual is too confining, that there are interrogation techniques the C.I.A. wants to use but won’t talk about. He said they are necessary and approved by the Justice Department and the intelligence committees in Congress.

But the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, John Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, disagreed strongly. He said the veto itself would hurt intelligence-gathering “in the name of preserving a separate C.I.A. interrogation program that Congress has determined is not necessary and, in fact, counterproductive.”

Mr. Bush said the C.I.A. program helped “prevent a number of attacks,” but Mr. Rockefeller said he had “heard nothing” to suggest that was true. He also said any information the C.I.A. collected could have been obtained through legal methods.

This is not the first time that Mr. Bush has misled Americans on intelligence-gathering and antiterrorism operations, and it may not be the last. It will be up to the next president to restore the rule of law.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

It will be up to the next president to restore the rule of law.

heh..who does he think is going to do that?

christine  posted on  2008-03-11   23:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

Mr. Bush said the C.I.A. program helped “prevent a number of attacks

Mr. Bush said the C.I.A. program helped “prevent a number of attacks" since covering up the 9-11 event and fake investigative commissions became a full time pre-occupation for both CIA and MOSSAD agents due to complications caused by those pesky 9-11 Truthers demanding unnecessary investigations.

Mr. Bush went on to state that future terrorist attacks in the Jew-Nited States will be coordinated through HOMO-LAND Insecurity with particular attention focused upon creating extreme real time human and infrastructure damage that might reduce questioning to a minimum.

Mr. Bush said that every effort will be made to eliminate the time wasting necessity of investigations altogether, next time.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-12   6:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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