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Title: Democratic Senator Backs Televangelist Probe
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... /03/12/national/a093337D80.DTL
Published: Mar 12, 2008
Author: ERIC GORSKI
Post Date: 2008-03-12 12:41:16 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 321
Comments: 26

(03-12) 09:34 PDT DENVER (AP) --

The Democratic chairman of the Senate Finance Committee has thrown his support behind an investigation of allegations of lavish spending and lax oversight at a half-dozen "prosperity gospel" Christian ministries.

Sen. Max Baucus of Montana joined with Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley in urging cooperation from four ministries. According to a statement from Grassley's office Wednesday, the four ministries have not responded to questions he posed in early November.

Follow-up letters the two senators have sent to the three ministries that have refused to answer Grassley's questions give a March 31 deadline for turning over the requested information. A fourth ministry has indicated it will cooperate.

Having Baucus on board is crucial for any potential bid to seek subpoenas forcing answers from uncooperative ministries. Grassley critics, including Creflo Dollar, one of the ministers not cooperating, have portrayed the senator as a renegade who has no real power because his party is in the minority.

The follow-up letters do not mention subpoenas specifically, but express hope that the requested information can be obtained "without resorting to compulsory process."

Some ministries have said Grassley's inquiries about private planes, oceanside mansions, board oversight and involvement in for-profit businesses should be handled by the Internal Revenue Service, but the latest letters cite the Finance Committee's jurisdiction measuring the effectiveness of tax-exempt policy, saying that role is distinct from the IRS job of enforcing existing law.

"This ought to clear up any misunderstanding about our interest and the committee's role," Grassley said. "We have an obligation to oversee how the tax laws are working for both tax-exempt organizations and taxpayers."

All the targeted ministries say they follow IRS rules governing churches.

So far only one ministry, led by St. Louis-area author and speaker Joyce Meyer, has "cooperated substantially" and turned over information, Grassley's office said.

Another, headed by Texas-based faith healer Benny Hinn, has indicated cooperation but so far has answered just five of 28 questions, Grassley's office said. Neither Meyer nor Hinn were among those receiving the follow-up letters.

The follow-up letters were sent to Dollar and Bishop Eddie Long, both of the Atlanta area, and Kenneth Copeland whose ministry is based at Newark, Texas.

All three have pledged to fight what they portray as an attack on their religious freedom. Some have expressed worry that private information, including salaries and the donors' identities, would be made public.

The letters from Baucus and Grassley say the committee is willing to work with them to protect confidential information.

A fourth letter went to Paula and Randy White of Tampa, who recently divorced and have said little publicly. Grassley's office said representatives of the Whites have indicated they will cooperate and their letter does not set a deadline for a response.

While Grassley has emphasized he is not interested in theology, Copeland and Dollar in particular have questioned whether he is targeting the ministries' shared prosperity theology. That teaching says that God wants people to flourish financially and spiritually.

The investigation has divided the broader evangelical community, with some worrying about the potential for stricter regulations on all religious nonprofits. Others praise it as an overdue check on a corner of the movement that preys on the vulnerable and thrives despite years of negative publicity.

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#5. To: Brian S (#0)

While Grassley has emphasized he is not interested in theology, Copeland and Dollar in particular have questioned whether he is targeting the ministries' shared prosperity theology. That teaching says that God wants people to flourish financially and spiritually.

First let me say that I have nothing to do with, NOR do I wish to be involved with any of the ministers noted, and despise at least one of them.

With that said, you really have to laugh at these jackasses in DC wanting to know anything about religion.......though the good Lord knows they all need it, and desperately so.

And as to having Grassley conduct anything, what a joke......this dumsumabeach questions why these people need to ride in airplanes and limosines and uses "Jesus rode on a donkey" as being good enough.......thus dumsumabeach doesn't even know that in Biblical days, ROYALTY RODE DONKEYS. Horses were machines of war. And, just in case the dumsumabeach reads here, I'll let him know the car wasn't invited until about 1900 years after the birth of Christ.

If the sheeple are silly enough to buy into the 'get rich' schemes, they are the ones that should be hauled before Congress- -to testify to the the extreme failure of the education system in this nation.

Or perhaps the need for real government oversight and supervision of the opthamological industry.

Or perhaps to push for "smart brain cell' cloning.

Or perhaps government sponsored (yeah, right) courses/placards covering logic and reasoning skills.

Bottom line is the government can't do anything to the rotten apples that God won't top come judgment day......heaven help these bums that lead the people astray. BUT, the truth of the matter is that these congregants should be reading and studying the Bible themselves and not just blinding following the good ol' merikan dream of 'getting rich quick and easy'. No where will they find what these people are teaching...unless they cut and paste like some keyboarders do!

And just in case the dumsumabeach is still reading, God doesn't think much of those who take oaths using His name and then acting as though they are god! Get your own house in order!

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-12   14:05:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: rowdee (#5)

"That teaching says that God wants people to flourish financially and spiritually. "

With a lot of theses "churches" lately only the ones running them are prospering. When the churches

were run by modest men, of modest means, and all donations used for the poor, sick and needy, I

was all for tax exemption.But now the vatican has spent obscene amounts of money in its settlements.

Scietology owns half the town it headquarters.Others build mansions for rectories.Enough, evoke

everybodies tax free status, they abused it.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-12   14:38:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: castletrash (#6)

Enough, evoke

everybodies tax free status, they abused it.

No, not everybody did. I refuse to accept that the gubmint can decide who is or who isn't ministering the gospel. That is for me, as a congregant, to decide.

Once more, we'll see the hand of gubmint reaching in to 'do good' and wind up FUBAR....it is the nature of the beast.

We have a gubmint that has f'd up the postal system, the military system, the monetary system, trade, the agriculture system, the parenting system, the justice system, the health care system, the taxing system, the transportaton system,the immigration system, and now we're wanting them to 'do the right thing with religion? Yeah...........right. NOT!!

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-12   15:59:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: rowdee (#9)

"we're wanting them to 'do the right thing with religion? Yeah...........right. NOT!!"

Tax free dollars are paying for scientology yachts and John travoltas airplanes, that bothers me.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-12   16:11:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#12. To: castletrash (#10)

Tax free dollars? How so? Most likely, whatever congregants give has already been taxed when it was earned. The gospel can be told on the ground, in the air, or on the sea.....you can even find Jesus going in bars. He goes wherever souls need him.

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