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Title: Martin Luther's Tragic Mistake [...or was it? Classic Luther diatribe against the Jews]
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Jun 29, 2005 NOTE: This installment is part of Dr. Luther's treatise which has been used for acts of hatred against the Jewish people. I am running this series that we may learn from Dr. Luther's tragic mistake and, hopefully, prevent a repeat in the future what has happened in the past. A I have covered the topic of "Who Killed Jesus of Nazareth" in a previous article. Please feel free to read that piece for my thoughts on the topic. Please feel free to share your thoughts in the Discussion Forum. While Luther was a man of great importance and influence, not every thing Luther said, thought, or wrote is inspired by God. This treatise is definitely not from God, nor is it consistent with what God's Word says. Error needs to be pointed out where it exists--even if the error is made by an influential person. The following is a verbatim reproduction of part of Dr. Martin Luther's treatise entitled On the Jews and Their Lies. It's source on the Internet is The Internet Medieval Sourcebook. Please note that the text is part of the public domain. * * * * * After this formidable defeat they themselves called Kokhba, their lost Messiah, "Kozba," which rhymes with it and has a similar ring. For thus write their Talmudists: You must not read "Kokhba," but "Kozba." Therefore all history books now refer to him as Koziban. "Kozba" means "false." His attempt had miscarried, and he had proved a false and not a true Messiah. Just as we Germans might say by way of rhyme: You are not a Deutscher but a Taoscher ["not a German but a deceiver"]; not a Welscher but a Felscher ["not a foreigner of Romance origin but a falsifier"]. Of a usurer I may say: You are not a Borger, but a Worger ["not a citizen but a slayer"]. Such rhyming is customary in all languages. Our Eusebius reports this story in his Ecclesiastical History, Book 4, chapter 6. Here he uses the name Barcochabas, saying that this was an extremely cruel battle in which the Jews "were driven so far from their country that their impious eyes were no longer able to see their fatherland even if they ascended the highest mountains. Such horrible stories are sufficient witness that all of Jewry understood that this had to be the time of the Messiah, since the seventy weeks had elapsed, Haggai's temple had been destroyed, and the scepter had been wrested from Judah, as the statements of Jacob in Genesis 49, of Haggai 2, and of Daniel 9 clearly indicated and announced. God be praised that we Christians are certain and confident of our belief that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, did come at that time. To prove this, we have not only his miraculous deeds, which the Jews themselves cannot deny, but also the gruesome downfall and misfortune, because of the name of the Messiah, of his enemies who wanted to exterminate him together with all his adherents. How could they otherwise have brought such misery upon their heads if they had not been convinced that the time of the Messiah was at hand? And I think this does surely constitute coming to grief and running their heads (now for the second time ) against "the stone of offence and the rock of stumbling," to quote Isaiah 8:14. So many hundreds of thousands attempted to devour Jesus of Nazareth, but over this they themselves "stumbled and fell and were broken, snared, and taken," as Isaiah says [8:15]. Go To Page: 1 2 3 4 5 Since two such terrible and awesome attempts had most miserably failed, the first at Jerusalem under Vespasian, the other at Bittir under Hadrian, they surely should have come to their senses, have become pliable and humble, and concluded: God help us! How does this happen? The time of the Messiah's advent has, in accord with the prophets' words and promises, come and gone, and we are beaten so terribly and cruelly over it! What if our ideas regarding the Messiah that he should be a secular Kokhba have deceived us, and he came in a different manner and form? Is it possible that the Messiah is Jesus of Nazareth, to whom so many Jews and Gentiles adhere, who daily perform so many wondrous signs? Alas, they became seven times more stubborn and baser than before. Their conception of a worldly Messiah must be right and cannot fail; there must be a mistake about the designated time. The prophets must be lying and fail rather than they. They will have nothing of this Jesus, even if they must pervert all of Scripture, have no god, and never get a Messiah. That's the way they want it. Since they were beaten into defenseless impotence by the Romans, from that time on they have turned against Scripture, and have boldly tried to take it from us and to pervert it with strange and different interpretations. They have digressed from the understanding of all their forefathers and prophets, and furthermore from their own reason. Because of this they have lost so many hundreds of thousands of men, land, and city, and have fallen prey to every misery. They have done nothing these fourteen hundred years but take any verse which we Christians apply to our Messiah and violate it, tear it to bits, crucify it, and twist it in order to give it a different nose and mask. They deal with it as their fathers dealt with our Lord Christ on Good Friday, making God appear as the liar but themselves as the truthful ones, as you heard before. They assign practically ten different interpretations to Jacob's saying in Genesis 49. Likewise they know how to twist the nose of Haggai's statement. Here you have two good illustrations which show you how masterfully the Jews exegete the Scriptures, in such a way that they do not arrive at any definite meaning. They have also distorted in this way the passage from Daniel. I cannot enumerate all their shameful glosses, but shall submit just one -- the one which Lyra and Burgensis consider to be the most famous and widespread among the Jews, from which they dare not depart on pain of losing their souls. It reads as follows. Gabriel says to Daniel: "Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place, ..." [Daniel 9:24]. This is the text. Now their beautiful commentary follows: Go To Page: 1 2 3 4 5 http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/116885/2 "It will still be seventy weeks before Jerusalem will be destroyed and the Jews are led into exile by the Romans. This will happen so that they may be induced by this exile to depart from their sins, that they may be punished for them, pay for them, render satisfaction, atone for them, and thus become pious eternally and merit the fulfillment of the messianic promises, the reconstruction of the holy temple," etc. Here you perceive, in the first place, that the Jews' immeasurable holiness presumes that God will fulfill his promise regarding the Messiah not because of his sheer grace and mercy but because of their merit and repentance and their extraordinary piety. And how could or should God, that poor fellow, do otherwise? For when he promised the Messiah to Jacob, David, and Haggai out of sheer grace, he neither thought nor knew that such great saints whose merits would exact the Messiah from his would appear after seventy weeks and after the destruction of Jerusalem, that he would have to grant the Messiah not out of grace but would be obliged to send him by reason of their great purity and holiness, when, where, and in the way that they desired. Such is the imposing story of the Jews, who repented after the seventy weeks and became so pious. You can easily infer that they did not repent, nor were they pious before and during the seventy weeks. As a result the priests in Jerusalem all starved to death because there was no penance, no sin or guilt offerings (which the priests needed for sustenance). All this was postponed and saved for the penance and holiness which were to begin after the seventy weeks. Where there is no repentance, or anything to repent for, there is no sin. But where then, we wonder, did the sin come from for which they have to repent after the seventy weeks, since they had atoned daily through so many sacrifices of the priests, ordained by Moses for this purpose, for all previous sin? Why do they have to begin to do penance now after the seventy weeks, when temple, office, sacrifice for sins no longer exist? But the following even surpasses this. Gabriel says, according to their gloss, that the Jews will repent and become pious after the seventy weeks, so that the Messiah will come on account of their merit. Well and good, here we have it! If Gabriel is speaking the truth and not lying, then the Jews have now repented, they have become pious, they have merited the Messiah ever since the passing of those seventy weeks. For he says that all of this will be done by the Jews subsequent to the seventy weeks. What follows now? They confess, indeed they wail, that the Messiah has not come since the end of those seventy weeks, that he has not come to date, approximately 1468 years later; nor do they know when he will come. So they will also have to confess that they have not done penance for any sin nor become pious during these 1468 years following the seventy weeks, nor merited the Messiah. It follows that the angel Gabriel must be lying when he promises in God's behalf that the Jews will repent, be pious, and merit the Messiah after the seventy weeks. Go To Page: 1 2 3 4 5 http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/116885/3 But why should we waste so many words and so much time! The land of Canaan was hardly as big as a beggar's alms or as a crust of bread in comparison with the empire of the whole world. Yet they did not merit even this land through their repentance, or righteousness. Thus Moses declares in Deuteronomy 9:4 that they were not granted the possession of the land because of their righteousness, but it was given to them, a stiff-necked and disobedient people, that is, very sinful and unworthy people, solely by reason of God's gracious promise, although Hosea [Hosea 11:1 ff.] and Balaam (Numbers 24:5) praise them for being at their peak of piety at that time. They still had Moses, Aaron, the divine worship, prophets, God himself with his miracles, bread from heaven, water from the rock, clouds by day, pillars of fire by night, indestructible shoes and garments, etc. And these dreary dregs, this stinking scum, this dried-up froth, this moldy leaven and boggy morass of Jewry should merit, on the strength of their repentance and righteousness, the empires of the whole world_ that is, the Messiah and the fulfillment of the prophecies--though they possess none of the aforementioned items and are nothing but rotten, stinking, rejected dregs of their fathers' lineage! In brief, Moses and all true Israelites understood these verses regarding the Messiah [as signifying that all this would be given them] out of sheer grace and mercy and not because of penitence and merit. This we gathered from the cited verses of Jacob, David, and Haggai. Likewise Daniel does not ask, desire, or think that such a glorious promise of the seventy weeks should be revealed to him, but it is granted him out of grace, far, far beyond his asking. From this you can learn that fine repentance the Jews practiced, and still practice, after those seventy weeks. They began it with lies and blasphemies, in which they continued and still persist. Whoever wishes may imitate the Jews' example of repentance and say: "God and his angels are liars, they speak about things that are not." Then you will merit grace as they merit the Messiah. If they weren't so stone-blind, their own vile external life would indeed convince them of the true nature of their penitence. For it abounds with witchcraft, conjuring signs, figures, and the tetragrammaton of the name, that is, with idolatry, envy, and conceit. Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security. For a usurer is an arch-thief and a robber who should rightly be hanged on the gallows seven times higher than other thieves. Indeed, God should prophesy about such beautiful penitence and merit from heaven through his holy angel and become a flagrant, blasphemous liar for the sake of the noble blood and circumcised saints who boast of being hallowed by God's commandments, although they trample all of them under foot and do not keep one of them. http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/116885/5 Extracts From the founder of Protestant Church Martin Luther´s booklet: "THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES" (1543) : "...."He did not call them Abraham's children, but a 'brood of vipers' [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, 'He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord calls them a 'brood of vipers'; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: 'If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil.' It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today......." "..."They are the real liars and bloodhounds, who have not only perverted and falsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end and without ceasing with their interpretations. And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hoping of their hearts is directed to the time when some day they would like to deal with us heathen as they dealt with the heathen in Persia at the time of Esther... "On how they love the book of Esther, which so nicely agrees with their bloodthirsty, revengeful and murderous desire and hope. The sun never did shine on a more bloodthirsty and revengeful people as they, who imagine to be the people of God, and who desire to and think they must murder and crush the heathen. And the foremost undertaking which they expect of their Messiah is that he should slay and murder the whole world with the sword. As they at first demonstrated against us Christians and would like to do now, if they only could; have also tried it often and have been repeatedly struck on their snouts..." "They live among us in our homes, under our protection, use land and highways, market and streets. Princes and government sit by, snore and have their maws open, let the Jews take from their purse and chest, steal and rob whatever they will. That is, they permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile! "If a thief steals ten gulden he must hang; if he robs people on the highway, his head is gone. But a Jew, when he steals ten tons of gold through his usury is dearer than God himself! "Do not their TALMUD and rabbis write that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob (as they do with their moneylending) from a heathen, is a divine service... And they are the masters of the world and we are their servants - yea, their cattle! www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bi...gi?ArtNum=69529&Disp=2#C2 "I maintain that in three fables of Aesop there is more wisdom to be found than in all the books of the Talmudists and rabbis and more than ever could come into the hearts of the Jews... "Should someone think I am saying too much - I am saying much too little! For I see in [their] writings how they curse us Goyim and wish as all evil in their schools and prayers. They rob us of our money through usury, and wherever they are able, they play us all manner of mean tricks... No heathen has done such things and none would to so except the Devil himself and those whom he possesses - as he possesses the Jews. "Burgensis, who was a very learned rabbi among them and by the grace of God became a Christian (which seldom occurs), is much moved that in their schools they so horribly curse us Christians (as Lyra also writes) and from that draws the conclusion that they must not be the people of God. "Now behold what a nice, thick, fat lie it is when they complain about being captives among us! Jerusalem was destroyed more than 1,400 years ago during that time we Christians have been tortured and persecuted by the Jews in all the world. On top of that, we do not know to this day what Devil brought them into our country. We did not fetch them from Jerusalem!... Yes, we have and hold them captive, as I would like to keep my rheumatism, and all other diseases and misfortunes, who must wait as a poor servant, with money and property and everything I have! I wish they were in Jerusalem with the other Jews and whomsoever they would like to have with them....... "...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain. "Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, 'When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit' [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments........" http://www.radioislam.org/luther/index.htm [calling Pat Robertson, John Hagee, et al.....] 2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ti/4/4.html 2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
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Page 4 Jun 29, 2005 In Leviticus 26:40 and in Deuteronomy 4:29 and 30:1, Moses, too, proves very clearly that they have never sincerely done penance for sin since the seventy weeks. In many beautiful words he promises that God will return them to their fatherland, even if they are dispersed to the end of the heavens, etc., if they turn to God with all their heart and confess their sin. Moses utters these words as the spokesman of God, whom one must not accuse of lying. Since the Jews have not been returned to their country to date, it is proved that they have never repented for sin with all their heart since the seventy weeks. So it must be falsehood when they incorrectly interpret Gabriel as speaking about their repentance. We also know that God is so gracious by nature that he forgives man his sin in every hour in which man sincerely repents and is sorry for it, as David says in Psalm 32:5: "I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord: then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin." We also read that when the prophet Nathan rebuked David for his sin and the latter thereupon declared, "I have sinned against the Lord," he was immediately absolved by Nathan, who replied, "The Lord has put away your sin" [II Samuel 12:13]. Even if God in many instances does not remove the punishment as promptly as he did with David, he nonetheless assures man of the remission of his sin. And if neither prophet nor priest were available, an angel would have to appear instead and announce, "Your sins are forgiven you," so that a sinner in his sorrow and punishment might not lose heart and despair. We observe also how during the Babylonian captivity God graciously and paternally consoles the people who confess their sins, enabling them to bear the punishment. Nor can the punishment endure forever; it must have its definite time, measure, and end wherever genuine contrition and repentance are found. But there is no remission of sin for these Jews, no prophet to console them with the assurance of such forgiveness, no definite time limit for their punishment, but only interminable wrath and disfavor, devoid of any mercy. So it is not only an unmitigated lie but also an impossibility to understand Gabriel's promises in terms of their repentance, much less of their merit and righteousness. Go To Page: 1 2 3 4 5 http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/116885/4 ==================================== Since the Jews have not been returned to their country to date, it is proved that they have never repented for sin with all their heart since the seventy weeks. [search: Jews will be their own Messiah.] But there is no remission of sin for these Jews, I have to disagree with Martin here, and point to his previous words: We also know that God is so gracious by nature that he forgives man his sin in every hour in which man sincerely repents and is sorry for it, as David says in Psalm 32:5: "I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord: then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin." We also read that when the prophet Nathan rebuked David for his sin and the latter thereupon declared, "I have sinned against the Lord," he was immediately absolved by Nathan, who replied, "The Lord has put away your sin" [II Samuel 12:13]. Even if God in many instances does not remove the punishment as promptly as he did with David, he nonetheless assures man of the remission of his sin. And if neither prophet nor priest were available, an angel would have to appear instead and announce, "Your sins are forgiven you," so that a sinner in his sorrow and punishment might not lose heart and despair. We observe also how during the Babylonian captivity God graciously and paternally consoles the people who confess their sins, enabling them to bear the punishment. Nor can the punishment endure forever; it must have its definite time, measure, and end wherever genuine contrition and repentance are found. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa058.html time is getting very short: President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
The Government and the Pharases
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
The Government and the Pharases I didn't read this author's article...this computer is running SO slowly...but I suspect it was an apologetic for the Jews. Jesus answered, 'Thou wouldest have no authority against me, if it were not having been given thee from above; because of this, he who is delivering me up to thee hath greater sin.' in their own words : "Let His blood be upon US." All the more reason they need to think about this, and repent. Jesus IS their Messiah. cross references John 18:13 and led Him to Annas first; for he was father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was high priest that year. John 18:28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled, but might eat the Passover. Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him...... Matthew Henry: ".....As our Lord suffered for the sins both of Jews and Gentiles, it was a special part of the counsel of Divine Wisdom, that the Jews should first purpose his death, and the Gentiles carry that purpose into effect. Had not Christ been thus rejected of men, we had been for ever rejected of God. Now was the Son of man delivered into the hands of wicked and unreasonable men. He was led forth for us, that we might escape. He was nailed to the cross, as a Sacrifice bound to the altar. The Scripture was fulfilled; he did not die at the altar among the sacrifices, but among criminals sacrificed to public justice. And now let us pause, and with faith look upon Jesus. Was ever sorrow like unto his sorrow? See him bleeding, see him dying, see him and love him! love him, and live to him!" President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Christianity is crypto-talmudism, the Bible is a trojan horse.
you know, there is a saying i apply to myself sometimes [but not in this instance]: it is better to keep quiet and appear a fool, than to open thine mouth and remove all doubt.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Jesus is trojan horse, a cartoon character with limited super powers, he never existed. His miracles are fiction. All Biblical miracles are BS. All so- called "miracles" are nonsense. Once you crawl out of that hole of smugness you'll stop pretending I'm wrong.
actually, i have suspected for a while that that could be said of you....who are you working for?
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
The Bible is a book of ancient corroding anti-intellectual fiction.
My income has zero association with any of my forum posts, but, since you're an offended Christian, you'll not accept this.
My income has no association with my posts on any forum, including this one. As you push a Book of cons, I should probably assume you asked out of personal guilt on the question.
By your example, Christiaity seems to be tied to making derogatory false insinuations based entirely upon animosity. I'll be back in a few hours to see if your Christian ego has lowered you further.
My income has zero association with any of my forum posts, but, since you're an offended Christian, you'll not accept this. nobody posted on 2008-03-16 15:56:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7) who are you working for? My income has no association with my posts on any forum, including this one. As you push a Book of cons, I should probably assume you asked out of personal guilt on the question. nobody posted on 2008-03-16 15:59:26 ET i think thou doth protest too much. I should probably assume you asked out of personal guilt on the question. 17 years fighting this beast, and not one red cent have i received in compensation....just years of financial, emotional, family, and physical toll.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
By your example, Christiaity seems to be tied to making derogatory false insinuations based entirely upon animosity. this is not the first time i have had to respond to your derogatory false caustic insinuations based entirely upon animosity.....even Jesus said to Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
By your example, Christianity is linked to the making of derogatory and false insinuations based entirely upon animosity.
To which expert, or group of experts, would you defer in matters of Biblical interpretation?
i missed this before. backing up: if i made false accusations, i apologize, and you can shoot the messenger [me]; don't shoot the One who sent me, for in spite of the name you have chosen for yourself, you are not a 'nobody' to Jesus...He knew you before you were born; He created you; and every hair on your head is counted: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat010.html#30 Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Col/Col001.html#16 Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn001.html now what you said that tripped my trigger, was this: "Christianity is crypto-talmudism, the Bible is a trojan horse. " Christianity, as delivered to the disciples, is so far removed from the Talmud, that to say otherwise is blasphemy, because the talmud is the work of Satan. Jesus came to destroy the works of Satan, as was first prophecied in Genesis 3:15. I was harsher with you than I should have been, and again I apologize, but equating my Jesus with the devil raised my ire. I'm not perfect....sorry. We are told to preach the gospel and to use whatever is necessary to try to pluck folks out of the fire: Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jud/Jud001.html#23 If I caused you to jump further into the fire, again I apologize, and again urge you to shoot the messenger, but heed the message. Jesus came to save us from our sins and give us eternal life if we will believe on Him and follow Him. I am not sure, but I think time is fast running out for folks to make that decision. To which expert, or group of experts, would you defer in matters of Biblical interpretation? Off the top of my head: the apostles, particularly Paul; Justin Martyr in his Dialogue with Trypho a Jew [I believe the "old man" Justin found himself talking to in the beginning was none other than Jesus]; and Matthew Henry [whom I don't always agree with because there were still things waiting to be revealed when Henry wrote, but basically I feel he had a good handle on scripture]. You can find Matthew Henry's commentaries by clicking the "L" next to the scriptures at blueletterbible [ as here at John 1 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn001.html#1 ], and scrolling down. You can see Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho here: www.preteristarchive.com/...50_justin_trypho-jew.html I highly recommend it for a crash course in Christianity.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Still a big believer in Biblical miracles?
That's absurd, the Talmud attacks Christianity. Any religion can be used by politicians, like the NeoCons have used Evangelical Christianity to allow their aggressive politics in the ME.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Pittbull owners sometimes torment their dogs. So what?
There is nothing Christian about the Talmud. Get over it.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
There's nothing canine and slobbery about pitbull owners .... get over it.
You are just a "little" thin on any evidence, as in none. There are some who say, that the Talmud is used by some fanatical types of Jews as license to kill (quite literally) and steal from the goyim. Here, go gnash your teeth here or on some forum that loves to spend bandwidth on this stuff. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Favorite zionist religious song: "Onward Christian Soldiers."
Praise the Lord and Pass The Ammunition.
Miracles = BS = Owned by zionism = talmudism. Telling me to leave? Sad. Bible-swingers should be the ones to leave.
absolutely.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Fabulous.
The Bible's been a prop for giving homosexuals a leg up on gaining the confidence of youth for a long time, IMO.
well, there ya go....confusing Christianity with zionism [Talmudism] again. here's your song: www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/n/onwardcs.htm "marching off AS to war" see: 2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Cr/10/4.html 2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Hbr/4/12.html Note the scripture floating across the top of the hymnal....look up that chapter....God's people didn't have to lift a finger in that one....the battle was God's.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
how so? Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. see also New Testament: President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
You speak as if ultimately pointing to a book of miracles is going to win an argument instead of subverting it.
You don't understand. All of your ultra-nerdy Christian trivia nitpicking on my comedy chops aside, the soldiers fighting Bush's war --- they're largely Christians.
that is very clever nobody. since the bible condemns homosexual acts as an abomination it is a conspiracy to support homosexuality. I never would've guessed. thanks.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
You might as well dress up in a clown suit and start puking to make a point, rather than point to a book of miracles.
I'm sorry for you. I don't know what happened to you to make you reject your Creator so. He stands at the door knocking....if you open the door he will come in to you, but your rejection of Him doesn't make Him cease to exist. For those of us blessed to know better: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord; I have seen Him in the watch fires of a hundred circling camps I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel; He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
actually, they only think they are....Christianity was waylaid in this country a long time ago. For the umpteenth time... Cornwallis to George Washington: "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army. "Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America With their veiled Phallic religion. "Darby and the Plymouth Brethren brought a Jewish Christianity to America. Masons Rutherford and Russell started Jehovah Witnesses' Judaism which is now worldwide with their message of the divine kingdom. Mason Joseph Smith started Mormon Judaism with its Jewish teaching of millennialism. "At the turn of the twentieth century there appeared the Scofield Bible with a Jewish interpretation of the prophecies. With wide use of this "helpful" aid all the American churches have silently become synagogues. We now have Baptist Jews, Methodist Jews, Church of God Jews, apostate Catholic Jews, and many Protestant Jews throughout America. We are aliens in our own country because of false religion. All are praying for divine deliverance into that "Divine Government" which Cornwallis knew to be the British Empire. "A false religion has been used to deceive us into allegiance to our enemies of Yorktown and Bunker Hill. ... www.sweetliberty.org/issu...ax/unionjack_epilogue.htm see: British Israel: The Hidden Hand Behind the 'The Kingdom of God on ... British Israel Uses Christian Fundamentalist Evangelicals to Promote the "Kingdom of God on Earth' Scheme to Deliver Up A One World Society-Both Feudal and Fascist... www.redicecreations.com/s.../08aug/britishisrael.html / www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=72694 see also: Scepter of Judah and Thesis Statements [Agenda for World War, Destruction of Christian America; and Jewish Supremacy] www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75182 The Scepter of Judah website [owned by a Rothschild] is based on Genesis 49:10 [apparently, this is what the whole antiChrist, unChristian "NWO" is based on]: Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him [shall] the gathering of the people [be]. Zionists, who also deny Christ has come, use this verse to appoint themselves the divine right to rule the world. One of those miracles you do not accept deny them that right....it was written in the sky....Libra was the sign of the "lawgiver between his [Christ's] feet" that appeared at Christ's first coming....the kingdom was His then....and now....and forever. BIRTH OF CHRIST RECALCULATED [...and the Heavenly Signs that accompanied His birth] freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75635 September 11, 3 B.C. - The great sign in heaven Revelation 12:1-2 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. In 3 B.C the constellation Virgo clothed with the sun as it entered the mid-body in its ecliptic course had the moon under her feet on one day only - Wednesday, September 11th. This configuration was visible in the Palestine area between 6:18 P.M. and 7:39 P.M. on that day. It was during this time period that Jesus Christ was born. ...... Bush's soldiers are really fighting for the antiChrists.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Oh really? BTW, how old is the universe?
trick question?
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
inadvertently left out page 4:
#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#1)
"Who Killed Jesus of Nazareth"
#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#2)
"Who Killed Jesus of Nazareth"
#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
#5. To: nobody (#4)
Christianity is crypto-talmudism
#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
#7. To: nobody (#6)
Jesus is trojan horse
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
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#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)
who are you working for?
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)
i have suspected for a while that that could be said of you....who are you working for?
#12. To: nobody (#10)
#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)
#13. To: nobody (#11)
i have suspected for a while that that could be said of you....who are you working for?
#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)
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#16. To: nobody (#14)
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By your example, Christianity is linked to the making of derogatory and false insinuations based entirely upon animosity.
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)
#18. To: nobody (#4)
Christianity is crypto-talmudism, the Bible is a trojan horse.
#19. To: robin (#18)
the Talmud attacks Christianity
#20. To: nobody (#19)
#21. To: robin (#20)
#22. To: nobody (#21)
#23. To: robin (#22)
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#24. To: robin (#22)
#25. To: robin (#22)
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#26. To: nobody (#17)
Still a big believer in Biblical miracles?
#27. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26)
#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26)
#29. To: nobody (#23)
Favorite zionist religious song: "Onward Christian Soldiers."
#30. To: nobody (#28)
The Bible's been a prop for giving homosexuals a leg up on gaining the confidence of youth for a long time, IMO.
#31. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#30)
#32. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#29)
#33. To: nobody (#31)
#34. To: Red Jones (#33)
#35. To: nobody (#31)
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps;
His day is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His day is marching on.
“As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal”;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Since God is marching on.
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet;
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free;
[originally …let us die to make men free]
While God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! While God is marching on.
He is wisdom to the mighty, He is honor to the brave;
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of wrong His slave,
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
#36. To: nobody (#32)
You don't understand. All of your ultra-nerdy Christian trivia nitpicking on my comedy chops aside, the soldiers fighting Bush's war --- they're largely Christians.
#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)
Christianity was waylaid in this country a long time ago.
#38. To: nobody (#37)
BTW, how old is the universe?
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