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Title: Obama blasts Dobbs on demanding secure borders
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Published: Mar 15, 2008
Author: CNN
Post Date: 2008-03-15 19:39:56 by Jethro Tull
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Someone should ask Obama if he would allow open borders for all African-Africans to come here for a better life also.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   19:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Someone should ask Obama if he would allow open borders for all African-Africans to come here for a better life also.

LOL! Good one. Yes they should. Is he being racial by advocating for one group over another?


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   19:59:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#2)

Yes they should. Is he being racial by advocating for one group over another?

Exactly...

Whether he answers yes or no he will be in hot water.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   20:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#1) (Edited)

Someone should ask Obama if he would allow open borders for all African-Africans to come here for a better life also.

Obama's statements were political pandering of the highest order.

I shall send him a f'you, nasty email to follow.

But, all in all, it's an A+ post for you.

You finally fell onto the right side of an issue even though you couldn't resist a bigoted no-sense punch below the belt while you were at it.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   20:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Actually, it is far worse than Dobbs says. Both Hillary and Obama have said they would refuse to enforce the borders until Congress passed a Path to Citizenship (i.e. Amnesty.)

The dollar is sinking like a rock because we do not export enough to buy all of our imported oil. Every time we add 10,000,000 people we have to import 100% of the oil they consume. This drives up the price of oil in dollars and drives down our real wages. If we pass Amnesty, we will add 22,000,000 citizens to our population immediately and another 22,000,000 in a few years. That means we will have to print even more dollars to buy oil. At some point the dollar will go into freefall until the price of oil is so high that 50% of all Americans cannot afford to buy gasoline to get to work and we have to live off the oil we can pump domestically.

Obama, Hillary and McCain are all saying that you will be taking a 50% after tax paycut. And, that if you object, you are a racist whose views need not be considered. Lou Dobbs' wife is a Mexican with a lot of Indian ancestors so I doubt he is motivated by racism.

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Horse  posted on  2008-03-15   20:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#3)

Whether he answers yes or no he will be in hot water.

As he should be. In truth this question should be asked of ALL the candidates.


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   20:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: iconoclast (#4)

you couldn't resist a bigoted no-sense punch below the belt while you were at it.

One has to be wary of any person that is free and easy with the descriptive terms "bigot" and "racist".

Keeping with the subject in hand, Obama is talking about a RACE, namely Latinos, and I was talking about African-Africans. When you read bigotry into that you are looking for something to attack someone for, not to discuss anything.

Keep your personal opinions as to what I am to yourself.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   20:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: farmfriend (#6)

Paul is the only candidate that pandered to no one.

That got him 5 per cent of the vote.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   20:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#7)

One has to be wary of any person that is free and easy with the descriptive terms "bigot" and "racist".

When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck .....

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   20:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

Paul is the only candidate that pandered to no one.

That got him 5 per cent of the vote.

Yes but like McClintock he decided to stick with the party rather than continue the revolution.

I believe the 5% is because of vote fraud. He seemed to have more than 5% support and the numbers of votes in his district just didn't add up.


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   20:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: iconoclast (#9)

When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck .....

So far you have painted yourself on this 4um in exactly that manner. If that is what you desire, so be it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   20:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: farmfriend (#10)

Yes but like McClintock he decided to stick with the party rather than continue the revolution.

Mystery of this campaign, why the plug was pulled.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   20:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#7)

Keeping with the subject in hand, Obama is talking about a RACE, namely Latinos, and I was talking about African-Africans.

He was clearly addressing a voting block, which is and promises to be awesomely large no matter which of the three is nominated/elected, but why he was doing it after the TX primary was not only wrong-headed but pointless.

At least you're consistently stupid.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   20:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend (#10)

Yes but like McClintock he decided to stick with the party rather than continue the revolution.

Cynicom is enthusiastically against everyone and everything.

He contributes nothing but negativity to the discussion.

I try to ignore him, but alas, I guess he goes back on the bozo list.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   20:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: iconoclast (#13)

At least you're consistently stupid.

Unusual language for this forum, no?

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-15   20:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: iconoclast (#13) (Edited)

At least you're consistently stupid.

I am sure if you really try you could come up with some very good language. Normally those that lack adequate social manners stoop to name calling and gutter vulgarisms. I have no words I care to subscribe to you. I do not believe I have never called you stupid and I have to wonder why you see fit to do so.

If you do not care to read what I post, ignore or bozo, whatever pleases you. In return, with your total lack of civility and common manners, you are demonstrating your character here for all to see.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   20:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend, Cynicom (#10)

Yes but like McClintock he decided to stick with the party rather than continue the revolution.

Cynicom is enthusiastically against everyone and everything.

He contributes nothing but negativity to the discussion, and is well named.

I try to ignore him, but alas, I guess he goes back on the bozo list.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   20:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeye (#15)

Unusual language for this forum, no?

Fortunately, unusual target.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   20:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: iconoclast (#14)

He contributes nothing but negativity to the discussion.

I try to ignore him, but alas, I guess he goes back on the bozo list.

There is a place for that.

I don't do bozo. I don't believe in it. Only one person has me on bozo so far and that was after the last heavy climate debate. Oh well, if they don't want to see what I have to say...


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   21:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#1)

Someone should ask Obama if he would allow open borders for all African-Africans to come here for a better life also.

Some Kenyan was interviewed and said he hoped Barak would be President, because he (Barak) would buy him (the Kenyan) a new motorbike.

The stupider people are the more surprised they are when you kill them.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-15   21:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: iconoclast (#9)

When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck .....

then it's a duck. To you, a racist duck.

The stupider people are the more surprised they are when you kill them.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-15   21:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: YertleTurtle (#20)

Do I need a passport to move into the Ozarks??

Are most of the natives friendly to furriners? I am a fellow hill billy, maybe they would consider that? And yes, I use to eat squirrel.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   21:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

Are most of the natives friendly to furriners?

Very friendly.

See the "Deliverance" movie.

They really bond with you quickly.

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tom007  posted on  2008-03-15   21:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Horse (#5) (Edited)

Actually, it is far worse than Dobbs says. Both Hillary and Obama have said they would refuse to enforce the borders until Congress passed a Path to Citizenship (i.e. Amnesty.)

Naturally, most folks assume that these candidates believe in some undefined right of people to seek a better life, but that's not it at all.

In fact, both parties defend the corporations' "right" to cheap, exploitable labor -people who can be unlawfully locked into fire traps to prevent "inventory shrinkage", disciplined with cattle prods, made to work unpaid overtime and who cannot even complain because of a language barrier that doesn't prevent them from working like slaves, but does minimize redress of grievances regardless of their validity.

The Tyson chicken plant that burned here in DE years ago had the emergency panic exit door hardware disabled and the doors chained to keep employees from swiping a chicken or two for their own hungry families. In a *state that produces 4 billion dollars worth of plump fryers every year there is no plan to supply the lowest workers on the food chain with chickens at cost. That's too much like charity, it isn't tax deductible, and like the Wal Mart bazillionaires the Tyson Foods people just can't spare it. (What are we, Japanese?)

The day that Exxon donates home heating oil to minimize winter killed poor people in America (like Chavez does, that rotten commie bastard!) is the day that Tyson and Wal Mart will let their employees buy necessities at cost.

My former oil company boss told me that he paid taxes and that's all the obligation he has to his employees, and that's why he didn't have a health plan. And, while he was telling me that his Republican buddies were quietly lobbying to eliminate the income tax on corporations and make it a withholding tax only! Yeah, the corporate types would like nothing better than if we worker bees supported the less fortunate among us. But, when Exxon spilled a few billion crankcases full of Alaskan crude in Prince William Sound, they didn't insist that only the rich help the rich. They were downright cheerful at the prospect that taxpayers would subsidize the coast guard, the engineers, wildlife professionals, and as far as I know EXXON never gave the volunteers from Delaware who washed the animals a nickel.

* EDIT The industry encompasses the DelMarVa peninsula. Parts of MD, DE and VA make up the 4 bil per yr industry here.

"...and girl you know that rain, is bad for my guitar strings...."__Forrest Lee, Jr.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-15   21:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#22)

Do I need a passport to move into the Ozarks??

As long as you ain't black or Mexican or Jewish, nothing else is needed.

The stupider people are the more surprised they are when you kill them.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-15   21:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tom007 (#23)

See the "Deliverance" movie.

Hey!

You mess with me, I'll twist your boob and make you cry like a girl!

The stupider people are the more surprised they are when you kill them.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-15   21:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#19) (Edited)

...Only one person has me on bozo so far and that was after the last heavy climate debate....

Yew musta really rained on someone's parade! ;)

"...and girl you know that rain, is bad for my guitar strings...."__Forrest Lee, Jr.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-15   21:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#27)

Yew musta really rained one someone's parade! ;)

Guess so. But then who is to say they didn't put all participants on bozo?


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   21:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: YertleTurtle (#21)

then it's a duck. To you, a racist duck.

Correcto.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   21:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: YertleTurtle, tom007, Cynicom (#26)

See the "Deliverance" movie.

Hey!

You mess with me, I'll twist your boob and make you cry like a girl!

Actually, WHERE THE RED FERN GROWS is a much nicer movie about The Ozarks.

"...and girl you know that rain, is bad for my guitar strings...."__Forrest Lee, Jr.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-15   21:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: farmfriend (#28)

Yew musta really rained one someone's parade! ;)

Guess so. But then who is to say they didn't put all participants on bozo?

That's right.

Since I take no pleasure in internet rancor I'd rather be ignored than blindsided by avenging angels and Simian fairie godparents. (with JD degrees ;) )

You know the old saying, Winning an argument on the net is like winning in The Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still "extremely gifted and special and you can do anything if you put your mind to it!" ;)

"...and girl you know that rain, is bad for my guitar strings...."__Forrest Lee, Jr.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-15   22:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: farmfriend, HOUNDDAWG (#28)

Yew musta really rained one someone's parade! ;)

Guess so. But then who is to say they didn't put all participants on bozo?

For what it's worth, neither of you have ever been under consideration for inclusion on my very exclusive bozo list (3 at the moment).

I do not believe you would be comfortable in their exclusive company, there or anywhere else. ;-)

I do not put persons there for any reason other than that they drive me to a place where I would rather not be. The shame for that is at least as much on me as them.

Just claiming Irish heritage does not pardon it.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   22:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: YertleTurtle (#25)

Turtle...

I answer to all of the following.

White trash..redneck..hill billy..ridge runner..stump jumper..cracker..wood hick

Is'nt it odd that those choice names have never made it on the "PC" list.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   22:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: YertleTurtle (#25)

"As long as you ain't black or Mexican or Jewish, nothing else is needed."

Wrong. If you hate all three traits, you aren't in the Ozarks, you are in your own internal hell. I hope you get a Negro Rabbi of Mexican heritage as your next close neighbor.


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Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-03-15   22:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: iconoclast, HOUNDDAWG (#32)

Just claiming Irish heritage does not pardon it.

No, but being of Irish stock myself I can understand it.

You have me really curious as to who is on your list.


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   22:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ferret Mike (#34)

Mike...

In the past I have had all three for next door neighbors, and moved every time.

In Baltimore Jewish real estate blockbusters brought in blacks with dozens of rental kids. Homes were bought for pennies on the dollar. Three families were put in one family homes.

My old home in NYC is all south of the border, trash as far as you can see. I dont go there anymore.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-15   22:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#35)

You have me really curious as to who is on your list.

Maybe I'll P-mail yuh, they're real doozies.

They either don't post much anymore or my bozo worked. ;-)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   22:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: tom007 (#23)

See the "Deliverance" movie.

They really bond with you quickly

lol

christine  posted on  2008-03-15   23:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: iconoclast (#37)

Maybe I'll P-mail yuh, they're real doozies.

cool!


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-03-15   23:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)

Actually, WHERE THE RED FERN GROWS is a much nicer movie about The Ozarks.

If I'm not mistaken, "Deliverance" was supposedly sited considerably east of the Ozarks.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OBAMA/WEBB IN 2008
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Voltaire

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-15   23:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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