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Title: Hate group plans funeral protest [Religious Group to Disrupt Slain Soldier's Funeral]
Source: Marblehead Reporter
URL Source: http://www2.townonline.com/marblehe ... g?articleid=273702&format=text
Published: Jun 28, 2005
Author: Marlene Switzer
Post Date: 2005-06-28 16:32:05 by crack monkey
Keywords: [Religious, Soldiers, Funeral]
Views: 147
Comments: 20

Hate group plans funeral protest

By Marlene Switzer/ marblehead@cnc.com

Thursday, June 23, 2005

Marblehead police are readying for a possible hate group protest that threatens to mar the privacy and solemnity of a local man's military funeral. A radical Midwestern group has announced its intention to rally at the Marblehead funeral of U.S. Army Special Forces Staff Sgt. Christopher N. Piper, who died June 15 at Brooke Army Medical Center of wounds suffered in action in Afghanistan on June 3.

The Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church, proclaiming "thank God for IEDs" or roadside bombs, claims the attacks on September 11 and American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan are God's vengeance on a nation that is tolerant of homosexuality.

"It's going to shock and enrage every person who sees it. That is our goal," said Margie Phelps, daughter of WBC leader Fred Phelps, commenting on the planned protest.

The group is based in Topeka, Kansas, and has made headlines protesting homosexuality at school events, graduations and mainstream churches. Representatives of the hate group have said they would protest at the funerals of two Massachusetts soldiers who were killed in action because the slain heroes "were cast into hell to join many more dishonorable Americans."

Margie Phelps said her father is a self-declared prophet.

"He hasn't been sent to save. He's been sent to condemn," she said, adding that group members have protested the funerals of 11 slain soldiers across the nation in the past two weeks.

Marblehead veterans service agent David Rodgers said, "I don't understand people like that. Any disrespect shown towards him [Piper] and his family is beyond my imagination."

Faced with the possibility that a public display by such a hate group could draw a large number of emotionally charged counter protesters to town, Marblehead Police Chief James Carney is taking no chances. Wednesday he said he was planning a Thursday strategy meeting with town police, fire and EMS representatives, as well as other law enforcement officials experienced with riot control, to come up with a plan for maintaining order.

Carney said he was expecting to call on a combination of state police and officers from the North Eastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, of which Marblehead is a member community, to bolster the very small local police contingent.

The chief believes there can't be too much law enforcement presence in such a situation. In fact, he is confident that insuring an orderly public protest will serve as a deterrent to the situation erupting into a dangerous confrontation.

"This is a publicity-hungry group that has latched onto the reprehensible tactic of appearing at soldiers' funerals," Carney said of the group that threatens to appear at Sgt. Piper's funeral.

Margie Phelps said the protests may be disruptive to family members, but "as long as it's being made into a public ordeal, then all bets are off."

She added, "Thank God for the mortar. Thank God for the shell that came from the gun. Thank God for the fact that it killed the fruit of America to punish it for its sins."

The wake, funeral and procession to the cemetery for Sgt. Piper could draw a large number of mourners, regardless of whether the protest takes place, so Carney recommends motorists avoid Elm Street Sunday from 7-10 p.m., and Green, lower Washington and Waterside streets Monday until about noon.

Boston Herald reporter O'Ryan Johnson contributed to this report.

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Oh gawd.. it's that Pastor Phelps.. the "God Hates Gays" faux preacher.. sick man.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-28   16:35:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Although I know little about this group and based on what I see I don't agree with them, the use of the Marxism drenched 'hate group' smear in the article is troubling.

The usage of the term 'hate group' throughout the piece is noteworthy. It is never explained who gave the group this label or how it came about. How does this reporter know that the members of this Church hate gays? She did not even interview any of them to see whether they do, in fact, hate gays. What is with the subtle conditioning in the media?

There should have been coverage of this group so Americans could make up their minds on the group. But there was none. This is another subtle example of how we no longer have a free press. The group is a hate group, period. No questions asked or no other possibilities. Americans now know that when the govt gives special rights to groups, then most opposition to that group can be called hate, and Americans have no right to make up their own minds about many issues. Seems some issues have 'rights'.

I mention all this because the term hate group, the way they are using it, could be used against any group of Americans that tries to question another group that has received special status from the govt. The special status of a protected group could be used to advance the agenda of the group by assigning it victim status and protecting against all criticism, not only 'hateful' criticism. The special interest group receiving the special rights even gets to choose what is hateful when it comes to criticism and opposition that group faces. The only goal of the group is to advance its own agenda at the expense of Americans, when necessary. And they will always call all criticism 'hate' because the govt has allowed them the special group status.

While a collectivist system gives power to groups, its important to note that the power has to come from somewhere- it comes from individuals (we give it up), who are stripped of rights and not allowed to join together and form a group of their own- a majority group. The mechanism for this is mainly psychological- Americans feel that forming a majority group to oppose minority groups attacking them is somehow inherently evil- an attack on those who have been victimized already by their very nature. This majority group would face real resistance as well, from a coalition of the 100's of minority groups which rightly perceive the gaining of power by the majority could be at their expense. Attacking the majority is the one thing that unites all the special interest groups in a collectivist system. All this appears to be textbook Marxism in action- not unlike the system that helped bring down Russia early in the 20th century.

This is a great example why groups should never be given rights by a government. Is it any wonder the individual is under assault in this nation? The govt is assigning rights to groups all over the place and increasing their power they exercise on the majority as a group and individuals in the majority. Meanwhile, the govt is taking away rights from individuals as seen in the Patriot Acts- basically ending the all important right to privacy. The joining of corps and govt is also troubling. In DC, I read about a huge, new office complex specifically dedicated to handling the business of corps and govt coming together. If the fed govt colludes against Americans in the majority with special interest groups, then it will, without doubt, collude with corps against Americans as well. It simply does so by it's very nature at this point.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-06-28   20:04:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It is never explained who gave the group this label or how it came about. How does this reporter know that the members of this Church hate gays? She did not even interview any of them to see whether they do, in fact, hate gays. What is with the subtle conditioning in the media?

Look at their website: http://www.GodHatesFags.com

They have pictures of them pickiting funerals with signs saying things like: "Thank God He's Dead". Little kids with "I hate fags" shirts, the whole nine yards. Lots of printed material that just drips hate.

I didn't realize that Rush and Hannity were being Marxists when they used the term "Hate Group" on a daily basis. Rush used it several times today. I don't see Limbaugh as being a communist though.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-06-28   20:46:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't realize that Rush and Hannity were being Marxists when they used the term "Hate Group" on a daily basis. Rush used it several times today.

Technically, anyone that employs the concept of a hate group is Marxist by definition. The term is used more often than not to smear critics or opponents as haters whose arguments should be immediately discounted without analysis because they violate some supposed rights a group claims. Groups dont have any rights period. Anyone claiming or implying they do is a marxist POS.

The concept of hate groups is often used in an insidious evil way for a special interest group to defame the majority solely for political gain- and to portray themselves as victims of the majority 'hate group', which is portrayed as a natural predator of the victim- there is always the implication that the govt use force to limit the rights of the agresor to benefit the victm group. Bro, right out of theMarxism 101 TEXTBOOK.

This is not to say that some whacko groups do not exist that turn over tombstones and painst swastkias on cars. The idea is that which is a very minor threat to the victim group is portrayed as a huge threat, a caricature based on Marxist peinciples of the victim group being the natural prey of the majority aggressor- generating misplaced public sentiment abou the victim group- and used in general as an attack on the majority group. The accusation of a hate group existing to ruyhlessly prey on the victim by its nature is actually AN OFFENSIVE move by the group making the claim. That is a bizarre feature of Marxism. Moves that are offensive and designed solely to benefit the claimants group at the majority's expense are always portayed as defensive. The idea is to skew public perception over time, so that the agressor is seen as inherently ujust and the victim is seen as inherently just.

It is very complex when broken down. I have recently studied collectivism- its very nature. So I now have an understanding of it. A few months ago, I would be clueless about hate groups. I may be off base on some of this stuff, I'm still figuring it out. I try to identify characterisics of collectivism I see and then figure out ow it is being used, and most importantly, who benefits from its use.

I' telling you Hannity manipulates poloiyical correctness like someone who fully understands how to use it offensively. Just 5 years ago, he claimed PC violated rep principles- it was a communist tool of the dems. Now he crushes opposition with it. He plays the race card in routine debating whenever possible.

I recommend that all posters take the time to study collectivism in order to see how it is a big part of the US sytem now- and to see how politicians use it to increase their power. even colluding with special int groups at time to advance their common agendas. I always wondered what was up with the obsession in DC over special int groups- why they wielded such power, why pols in DC don;t seem to rep the constitutuents any longer. Why the Constitution seemed less and less relevant in DC. The answer to many of these questions involved the fact that collectivism was commonly accepted in DC by po;s and the fed govt leviathan. I came to understand how special int groups are just do gooder orgs trying to help those in need- they are well organized machines that use the collectivism in DC to actually screw the majority economically whenever possible. And there are thousands of these groups. I realized that under a system of collectivism, the majority is always under the attack of special groups the govt empowers to attack us, while selling us on some Marxist BS about justice and hiding the damage it does to us. We are literally conned into acting against our own interests by the govt when we support spec groups.

Worst of all, the collectivist system continuously operates to remove rights of individuals in the majority.

As long as this system is in force, we'll all be bitching about the system here on 4, and many of us will never even figure out that collectivism is a broad based menace. Its funny, but I now see how insane the system is in the US. Collectivism and other major ideologies like that of the neocons can operate almost without opposition in the US. Its like we dont have the abilty to realize when we are being openly screwed by even well established opposing ideologies we know are a threat. I men, the neocons treatened to suvery US foreign policy to serve Israel back in 1996. OPENLY. It was all even laid out publically.

So what happens? Known revotunaries who wrote the plan are literally INSTALLED in ideal positions of policy writing in DoD. They then proceed to rig the whole case for war and we invade Iraq. After the mission is accomplished, Wolf and Feith promptly quit... having never been held responsible for the now known deception and having the balls to just quit these high level positions when they finish the job for israel! It's insane!

isn't the story I related just about representative of how it all went down? What the hell is wrong with Americans that we allow traitors like this to screw us over with impunity to benefit Israel? Ant the whole while, there is a golden rule about the iraq war. Any mention of israel or these neocons doing anything to benefit israel is NOT ALLOWED. And why was a connection to Israel not allowed? Believe it or not because of collectivism. Even though 3 % pf the population, Jews have been able to manipulate the US system and gain so much group power that they can actually subvery the FP of the US to serve israel- against the interests of its own people! With full approval of all those im DC!

Although this is tragic for Americans and shows how collectivism is destroying us, the worst part of the story is taht US Jews and by extension Israel wields so much collective power over us, the majority, that they go into full offensive mode I spoke of earlier while playing the victim- predictably, by using this basic goto strategy, they make the false claim that THEY are being victimized by the accusation that they influenced the iraq war- by its very nature alone, the content of the accusation is ignored to dismiss the charges as the equiv of a hate crime!

The Jews do the collectivist equivalent of outlawing criticism about any connection to Iraq. Despite all the evidence that we were 'had', they have the gall to ban criticism! This is because judaism is collectivist by nature, and they actually believe that as a group, the Jews are rightfully entitled to as much power as they can usurp from the majority.

Just as we would naturally believe that individuals comprising the majority have rights, they believe that they, as a group, are entitled to dominate the majority as much as possible. Advancing the group is ethical, not advancing the group would be unethical. This is an important point, because it illustrates how our concepts of rights and power are COMPLETELY different than that of the Jews. As Americans, we naturally oppose collectivism, while they promote it and then exploit the Am sheeple because they are masters of the system, having literally invented it 1000's of years ago. This is the entire story behind why the Jews have always been dems in the US. They always sought to impose collectivism, because it provided them with an unfair advantage over the majority, the goal of which being to control the US govt to benefit themselves.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-06-29   18:29:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Very good.. another aspect that is inherent it seems in western societies and is exploited by these people is altruism and it is used as you said against the people's own best interest..and they are in fact destroying themselves. In reading your post, I began to think about the group in the original article and I wonder if they arent in fact a front group? Nothing works better than to co-opt a group like this and use it to create fear and hate of Christians by those who aren't aware that this is not reflective of true Christianity. As you stated, anyone who isn't aware of these tactics needs to study to understand exactly how they operate..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-29   18:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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