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Title: Hate group plans funeral protest [Religious Group to Disrupt Slain Soldier's Funeral]
Source: Marblehead Reporter
URL Source: http://www2.townonline.com/marblehe ... g?articleid=273702&format=text
Published: Jun 28, 2005
Author: Marlene Switzer
Post Date: 2005-06-28 16:32:05 by crack monkey
Keywords: [Religious, Soldiers, Funeral]
Views: 129
Comments: 20

Hate group plans funeral protest

By Marlene Switzer/ marblehead@cnc.com

Thursday, June 23, 2005

Marblehead police are readying for a possible hate group protest that threatens to mar the privacy and solemnity of a local man's military funeral. A radical Midwestern group has announced its intention to rally at the Marblehead funeral of U.S. Army Special Forces Staff Sgt. Christopher N. Piper, who died June 15 at Brooke Army Medical Center of wounds suffered in action in Afghanistan on June 3.

The Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church, proclaiming "thank God for IEDs" or roadside bombs, claims the attacks on September 11 and American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan are God's vengeance on a nation that is tolerant of homosexuality.

"It's going to shock and enrage every person who sees it. That is our goal," said Margie Phelps, daughter of WBC leader Fred Phelps, commenting on the planned protest.

The group is based in Topeka, Kansas, and has made headlines protesting homosexuality at school events, graduations and mainstream churches. Representatives of the hate group have said they would protest at the funerals of two Massachusetts soldiers who were killed in action because the slain heroes "were cast into hell to join many more dishonorable Americans."

Margie Phelps said her father is a self-declared prophet.

"He hasn't been sent to save. He's been sent to condemn," she said, adding that group members have protested the funerals of 11 slain soldiers across the nation in the past two weeks.

Marblehead veterans service agent David Rodgers said, "I don't understand people like that. Any disrespect shown towards him [Piper] and his family is beyond my imagination."

Faced with the possibility that a public display by such a hate group could draw a large number of emotionally charged counter protesters to town, Marblehead Police Chief James Carney is taking no chances. Wednesday he said he was planning a Thursday strategy meeting with town police, fire and EMS representatives, as well as other law enforcement officials experienced with riot control, to come up with a plan for maintaining order.

Carney said he was expecting to call on a combination of state police and officers from the North Eastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, of which Marblehead is a member community, to bolster the very small local police contingent.

The chief believes there can't be too much law enforcement presence in such a situation. In fact, he is confident that insuring an orderly public protest will serve as a deterrent to the situation erupting into a dangerous confrontation.

"This is a publicity-hungry group that has latched onto the reprehensible tactic of appearing at soldiers' funerals," Carney said of the group that threatens to appear at Sgt. Piper's funeral.

Margie Phelps said the protests may be disruptive to family members, but "as long as it's being made into a public ordeal, then all bets are off."

She added, "Thank God for the mortar. Thank God for the shell that came from the gun. Thank God for the fact that it killed the fruit of America to punish it for its sins."

The wake, funeral and procession to the cemetery for Sgt. Piper could draw a large number of mourners, regardless of whether the protest takes place, so Carney recommends motorists avoid Elm Street Sunday from 7-10 p.m., and Green, lower Washington and Waterside streets Monday until about noon.

Boston Herald reporter O'Ryan Johnson contributed to this report.

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Oh gawd.. it's that Pastor Phelps.. the "God Hates Gays" faux preacher.. sick man.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-28   16:35:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Although I know little about this group and based on what I see I don't agree with them, the use of the Marxism drenched 'hate group' smear in the article is troubling.

The usage of the term 'hate group' throughout the piece is noteworthy. It is never explained who gave the group this label or how it came about. How does this reporter know that the members of this Church hate gays? She did not even interview any of them to see whether they do, in fact, hate gays. What is with the subtle conditioning in the media?

There should have been coverage of this group so Americans could make up their minds on the group. But there was none. This is another subtle example of how we no longer have a free press. The group is a hate group, period. No questions asked or no other possibilities. Americans now know that when the govt gives special rights to groups, then most opposition to that group can be called hate, and Americans have no right to make up their own minds about many issues. Seems some issues have 'rights'.

I mention all this because the term hate group, the way they are using it, could be used against any group of Americans that tries to question another group that has received special status from the govt. The special status of a protected group could be used to advance the agenda of the group by assigning it victim status and protecting against all criticism, not only 'hateful' criticism. The special interest group receiving the special rights even gets to choose what is hateful when it comes to criticism and opposition that group faces. The only goal of the group is to advance its own agenda at the expense of Americans, when necessary. And they will always call all criticism 'hate' because the govt has allowed them the special group status.

While a collectivist system gives power to groups, its important to note that the power has to come from somewhere- it comes from individuals (we give it up), who are stripped of rights and not allowed to join together and form a group of their own- a majority group. The mechanism for this is mainly psychological- Americans feel that forming a majority group to oppose minority groups attacking them is somehow inherently evil- an attack on those who have been victimized already by their very nature. This majority group would face real resistance as well, from a coalition of the 100's of minority groups which rightly perceive the gaining of power by the majority could be at their expense. Attacking the majority is the one thing that unites all the special interest groups in a collectivist system. All this appears to be textbook Marxism in action- not unlike the system that helped bring down Russia early in the 20th century.

This is a great example why groups should never be given rights by a government. Is it any wonder the individual is under assault in this nation? The govt is assigning rights to groups all over the place and increasing their power they exercise on the majority as a group and individuals in the majority. Meanwhile, the govt is taking away rights from individuals as seen in the Patriot Acts- basically ending the all important right to privacy. The joining of corps and govt is also troubling. In DC, I read about a huge, new office complex specifically dedicated to handling the business of corps and govt coming together. If the fed govt colludes against Americans in the majority with special interest groups, then it will, without doubt, collude with corps against Americans as well. It simply does so by it's very nature at this point.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-06-28   20:04:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Although I know little about this group and based on what I see I don't agree with them, the use of the Marxism drenched 'hate group' smear in the article is troubling.

I noticed that and found it disturbing too. Even though this group sounds very wacky, it did seem odd how the term "hate group" was used throughout this article.

We are indeed becoming a Marxist country though the PTB still insist on calling it a democracy, though that term is making me cringe these days-- for instance when Bush talks about bringing 'democracy' (destruction and death) to the middle east.

Diana  posted on  2005-06-29   14:33:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for your response. I have made some posts in a similar vein and no ne seems to relate to them. I thought maybe I was paranoid about the Marxism because no ne else acknowledged the existence of what I thought were textbook signs of it.

After studying Marxism lately and posting on it, I have noticed a blind spot for it on most forums, even the patriot style forums like 4. Its almost like Americans have been conditioned so that they cannot realize collectivism, or at the very least, cannot comprehend that an opposing ideology to that of what is considered American, of founding fathers origim, can actually pose a very real threat to them personally in the US. No matter how collectivist the nation becomes, it is never a topic of serious discussion. Even the Patriot Acts, DHS, national ID etc, have caused little concern in the media.

Can Americans actually comprehend anymore that collectivism is a competing ideology actively promoted by many because a system in which special groups have powers that exceed what they would have normally have- at the expense of individuals in the majority, whose power is usurped? The ide of the individual being the source of all rights and the founding principles being trashed has not even panicked anyone.

I think people have bought into the line that collectivism officially died worldwide just because the soviet empire went bankrupt in a battle between the US and the USSR- a trumped up cold war as corrupt in nature as all wars... I mean, so what? Because Americans don;t understand the real real nature of collectivism, we can't see the actual threat it poses in the US.

We got used to viewing communism as a caricature intended as propaganda- to demonize the USSR- portraying communism as generally the oposite of all we love and value in the US- always an effective way to demonize- to show him as the complete opposite of 'us'. Our conception of Russians was exemplified by the Rusian bolshevik fighter in Rocky 2! That seemed plausible at the time. The real story and history of communism in Russia can best be studied in looking at the russian revolution.

Since the ideology of communism does not change except to adapt in subtle wats to the host society, some lessons can be drawn. Communism, or collectivism, is an ideology invented and employed by the peple who invented collectivism when they developed the ideology of Judaism. It is a system designed to allow them to use their mastery of collectivism over thousands of years in a system that is literally based on Judaism, to accrue power in far excess of population of the population, actually allowing them in a very complex way to exercise control over the majority, effecting what is literally known as a revolution, an overthrow of the majority power structure that existed. It happened in Russia and is a very real threat.

So, knowing this about the history of collectivism and seeing it start to dominate the US politically, I naturally become alarmed, especially when I see usual suspects like the neocoms promoting it.

Not that I believe in that style revolution happening in the US. Just the fact that collectism is in vogue means that by definition, the power and actual rights of individuals in the majority is under assault. This is borne out by evidence. pols in DC represent groups and attack indivs in the majority as a matter of evergay biz. DC is all about 'special interest groups' It is apparent the interests of Ams are not being represented. To me, I have even observed bush being openly hostile to the middle class as a matter of policy. he is the 1st pres i can recall that has had the balls to be penly anti middle class.

Anyway, as the system exists, individuals like us and everyone else on 4um will be under constant assault of groups accorded special status and power by govts. These groups tend to gain at outr loss. For example, hispanic groups promote full SS and other benefits for illegals. They only see the majority as a source from which they can gain economically or politically. They are typical collectivist group in the US. Bush and all the other polls support their rights to take fom the middle class AS A MATTER OF JUSTICE. This is what actually makes the system Marxist. The idea Bush and others push like a drug that all Mexicans are noble, love their families, work 20 hrs a day and love Jesus (goes over well with rapture monkeys). They try to collude with the special interest group at the expense of the majority both target. Bush tries to convince the majority to actually support the illegals who are a threat to them by portraying them as be be pretty much entitled to be a part of the collectivist system.

Note how Bush hides all the negatives this group of hispanics who represent illegals means for the majority. An example- illegals who come acros the border contain a certain amount of violent felons who attack Americans- they are here to pillage the nation. Bush and the Marxists hide negatives like this to alter perseption. For these men, better the truth be hidden and Marxism be advanced thaan Americans be told the truth about killers amonst them- as an example.

So we have the illegals now actively working in collusion with the fed govt against the majority. They will continue to take as much as they can from the majority for as long as collectivism is given power by our corrupt pols in DC. The illegals are getting full SS benefits and a multitude of other communist goodies at the expense mainly of the middle class. The upper classes like those in DC never even have to deal with illegals, overcrowded schools, hospitals, etc because they are segregated in affluent communities that only see Mexicans when it is time for the lawn to be cut.

Anyway, take the example of the Hispanics working tirelessly with support of the fed govt and multiply it by all the special interest groups in the US And you start to understand the problem.

The most dangerous problem for us as individuals is that our rights are also under attack. In a collectivist system, groups have rights. This was not even supposed to be technically possible, I thought, except by scrapping the Constitution, but is it happening nonetheless to us now. Groups are given rights by the fed govt. In a Marxist system, as with the money that has to come from the middle class to the special group, our rights have to be diminished in order to provide groups with rights. Again, it is it our expense.

In the tradition Am system, all men are equal and freedom is GUARANTEED if the system is functioning. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. Our system no longer seems to value the rights of the individual and the power of groups can be used to destroy individuals in the majority- quick example- the ADL technically, in the system of the founders where indiv rights are absolute and groups cant possess rights, thus insuring each individual is safe and free, cannot have rights. Technically that is. The reality is that traditinal concepts of indiv rights have been officially scrapped years ago and pols in the fed govt and the beaurocracy itself now actually collude with the ADL, even though that org uses its group power derived from govt to destroy individuals that it deems a threat to its group, which as as group continuously functions to hammer the majority usurping individual rights. Maximizing its power, that of US Jews, is the only obligation it has, which also involves atacking people like us by its very nature.

Its hard to believe frd govt supports this but they do. As I outlined for you, the system is inherently corrupt because it is collectivist. Collectivism results in individuals being enslaved. It removes rights of individuals it has no right to even address. Because individuals are not guaranteed rights in the system like we used to have, men wind up making choices as to what rights citizens are entitled to. The collectivist system is inherently corrupt, and thus tends to corrupt those with power in the system.

Hope this wasn't too depressing. Thats the end of my primer on collectivism. Do you think that collectivism is the threat I envision it to be? I wasn't really that concerned about it until I saw a virtual police state being imposed for no valid reason. The crackdown and attack on the individual just because he is an individual is a textbook sign of totalitarianism creeping in. So far the collectivism has taken mild forms, but lately it is getting ugly.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-06-29   17:04:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have made some posts in a similar vein and no ne seems to relate to them. I thought maybe I was paranoid about the Marxism because no ne else acknowledged the existence of what I thought were textbook signs of it.

I agree so much with your post!

When I was a teenager I was very interested in Russia, and read many books about Russia and the Soviet system. I also read the George Orwell books and others warning that the same thing could happen to our country if we were not careful.

Too many people are comparing what is happening with nazi Germany, but there are too many paralells to Soviet Russia, down to names like "New Freedom Initiative" and "Patriot Act" where the terms mean the opposite of what they seem. There are just too many similarities and most people just don't see it, or else they've been so bombarded with the Holocaust that they don't realize the horrors of the Soviet Union and the mass exterminations of millions upon millions that occured. I don't think the history books have much to say about it anymore!

Diana  posted on  2005-06-29   19:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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