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Title: Bush Propaganda Live Thread
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Published: Jun 28, 2005
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Post Date: 2005-06-28 19:58:55 by christine
Keywords: Propaganda, Thread, Bush
Views: 1084
Comments: 209

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The President spoke tonight???? Sorry I missed that. (sarcasm) I was glued to ESPN watching the NBA Draft. I had to see where the kids in Baby Blue (UNC Tar Heels) went this evening. Scooter is going to have to reconsidet watching NBA games now that two of UNC's finest are now Charlotte Bobcats.

What did I miss? (more sarcasm)

I understand the terrorists are in their last throes. That we are progressing in Iraq daily. This war is important. Our cause is just. Afterall, we were attacked on 9/11 because of hatred for our precious freedoms and we can no longer sit idly by as terrorist regimes plot their next move in Iraq or any other place harboring terrorism. I am so relieved we have a great man of faith in the White House in W. I am honored he stands tall for America and does not lower himself to the vicious and venomous assaults and insults hurled at him by the America-hating left. (heavy, dripping sarcasm)

scooter  posted on  2005-06-28   23:17:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Afterall, we were attacked on 9/11 because of hatred for our precious freedoms

It still blows my mind that Bush said that the terrorists wanted to take away our freedom. And then a few short months later he took away some of our freedoms with The Patriot Act and by establishing the precedent that a US citizen could be held without charges in an unknown location indefinitely with no access to legal counsel. Then more by setting up the DHS, passing what is generally called Patriot II, hiring Primakov to set up national ID, etc.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-06-28   23:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My mind is in a silly, sarcastic place this evening. It is one of the ways I cope with what is going on.

We are a witness to one of, if not the, most destructive Presidencies in the history of this great country. What is worse in many ways, is that this White House and this complacent Congress have opened the door for so much destruction of rights and liberties of the American people for years to come. We should have taken note that almost every head of corporation George Bush has been in, he has left in worse shape, often disastorous shape than prior to his leadership. For me, it began with CFR. His breaking of his campaign promise. That was an eyeopener for this man who voted for President Bush in 2000. Then the Education Bill. No Child Left Behind. The refusal to at least "examine" offenses of the Clinton Administration. The Farm Bill. As we now know, a reduced priority in tracking terrorism. And it has ballooned from there. The White House response to the Supreme Court vs New London was that "we respect the Court's decision" or words to that effect. The Rush Limbaugh's and the Jim Robinson's of this world have pleaded for Republican Leadership in all levels of the Federal Government. They promised us we would see the wave of government encroachment of power in every facet of our lives beaten back. After little more than 4 years, we have a Federal Government in size, scope and power far greater than anything in our history.

I could go on from there. This great country is being destroyed. Alex Jones is looking smarter every day when he asserts "America is being destroyed by design".

scooter  posted on  2005-06-29   0:00:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My mind is in a silly, sarcastic place this evening. It is one of the ways I cope with what is going on.

Just this evening? I'm there nightly, lol.

Poll appears to reflect partisan viewing

Wait for it....wait....wait....here comes the sarcasm.....I find that shocking!! ;)

46 percent of speech watchers choose 'very positive' response

"Many Americans did not watch the speech. Those who did were 2-to-1 Republican, so most were arguably already in the president's camp."

Arguably? Is there nothing we can agree on? I would like to see a poll to find out why many Americans did not watch it. I didn't. I could only stomach a few sentences at most. I would love for that to be one of the options if someone polls me, lol.

The percentage of those with a "very positive" reaction was down from the 60 percent expressing the same sentiment in a similar poll taken immediately after Bush's State of the Union speech in February.

The figure also was down from the 67 percent in a similar poll who responded that way to the president's "mission accomplished" speech May 1, 2003 -- two months after the war began.

That was the speech -- delivered under a banner reading "Mission Accomplished" on the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln -- in which Bush declared, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

Looks to me like he needed a banner over his head during the speech tonight. Perhaps, "Mission Complicated". I might have tuned in for that, lol.

markm0722  posted on  2005-06-29   0:52:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Many Americans did not watch the speech. Those who did were 2-to-1 Republican, so most were arguably already in the president's camp."

Arguably? Is there nothing we can agree on? I would like to see a poll to find out why many Americans did not watch it.

That is an interesting point. It seems that doing a pseudo analysis of 'those who watched it' is considered important. And so is ignoring the group that chose not to watch it and thus avoiding the dreaded concept of REAL OPPOSITION to the PTB. The real opposition to the PTB is always hidden so that it cannot grow and present a problem. For example, regarding the war, opponents were presented as Dems who would have gotten France on board or would have gotten UN approval. Who would have planned for the aftermath. Real opposition from the principled left and right were kept from the MSM. Allowable dissent on the war issue was generally portrayed as the range of opinions of the two parties taken collectively.

When the media 'analyzes' the people that are supposedly interested in a debate as important as tonight's was portrayed, we must realize that the media serves the interests of the 2 pol parties, which together control just below 100% of all pol power in DC, first and foremost. In doing so, the media has shown a tendency to support the collective power of the parties as a sort of golden rule. Which makes sense since 2 parties wield all the power in the nation and have huge offices to deal with the media.

The media will not cover an issue in a way that supports true opposition to the parties taken collectively. So, the media would not be inclined to do a real analysis of those who chose not to watch Bush for principled reasons. Plus, these people have been demonized as K0oks and extremists- dangerous liberals and militia members, repectively. LOL

No, the media covered it in a 'safe' way, by quickly writing of those who would not watch it as irrelevant. Which is true in a way- in the 2 party dichotomy- in our system, you choose A, the opp of B... or you choose B, the opp of A. If you refuse, you are excluded from the pol process.

I try to ignore most polling in general, because it is done mainly to influence opinion and perhaps to even control individuals. Polling encourages men to not think rationally as individuals about issues that affect them, but rather to go with herds. Many people who are leaning a certain way but have not thought about an issue can be effectively convinced to stop thinking and just go in the direction he was leaning, or the direction which propaganda was leading him to adopt.

A great example of how polls can be used against Americans can be found in the last election. All of the polls involved a limited range of pol thought, which was basically approved by both parties, encompassing the sum of their positions. This served to control voters to stay within limits regarding their positions- approved of by the 2 parties.

More insidiously, the constant polling daily regarding only the D and R candidates, reinforced the idea to Americans that there were only 2 choices for President. D or R. The power of this could be seen on FR, LP and DU type sites, where almost every poster would rant endlessly that there were only 2 choices in the election. Part of their conviction comes from the media, and polls, which constantly portray the entire range of pol thought as the combo of D and R party positions. In the minds of MSM viewers, parties like the Con Party and the Libs might as well not have existed. They were almost eliminated from viewer consciousness.

Polls are also dangerous because they turn issues into games involving numbers. The importance of an issue become what % it garners or doesn't. There is a dangerous equivalence drawn- by design- the most important issues to the country and the least are both portrayed as equal, being just a matter of %'s. Americans see important issues blown off using polls and think they have been addressed- after all, the polling involves peoples' opinions. Polls simulate a free exchange of ideas on an issue, but are, in fact, tightly controlled. The outcomes used to control individuals.

It is no coincidence that as our system becomes less free, polls are increasingly used and portrayed as free people freely making decisions on subjects.

Bayonne  posted on  2005-06-29   2:58:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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