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Title: Bush Propaganda Live Thread
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Published: Jun 28, 2005
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Post Date: 2005-06-28 19:58:55 by christine
Keywords: Propaganda, Thread, Bush
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It's show time!!
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Corn is popped, Dew is iced all to watch the: Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
I pray they drive us out of the region....
The ninney said "hate us for our freedom" in the first 30 seconds.
omg...it's the same lies over and over and over. they HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
We will defend our freedom and take the fight to the ememy!! Since when did Iraq threaten our freedom. Dumbshit.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
Someone needs to kill me...... I am starting to be dumbed down just listening to this swill - can't you just feel your brain cells rotting???
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
WHAT ABOUT THE WMD's, PECKERHEAD?
He's laying on the old bot spin about taking the fight to the terrorist. Laying it on thick.
it's laughable..it's a parody!!!
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
How many times has he mentioned September 11th??? Is anyone keeping count???
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
I heard today that in all of Iraq's history, they never had a single terrorist act in that country until the occupation by the US. I did not know that.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
Is the sacrifice worth it? It is worth it ..it is vital to our security. The insurgents are fighting the advancement of peace.. ROFL!! uh huh
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Arabs are making common cause with criminal elements. (They are doing it because Bush has forced them to do it.)
No, the sacrifice ISN'T worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's terrrrrrrists - you pretend like he can actually speak.
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
No, I'm waiting to see how many times Iran gets mentioned.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
Bush IS right the whole world IS watching this war.. in horror!
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
it will inspire millions in the ME to claim their liberty alright, by gathering the whole world against the american EMPIRE.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
Bush now has OBL in Iraq. At least he's using the name in the same sentence as the word "Iraq". The bots go yup, yup, yup and lap it up.
LOL, no fair putting a spycam on FR!
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
Earth to George. We're gatting our ass kicked. Bring 'em home.
Those poor soldiers..watching that dolt.. I wonder what they are thinking..
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
It's invader ZIM!!!! " I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
Twill be the same old, same old............and as boring as the first! One of the most uninspiring dolts in decades, if not centuries!
The insurgents failed to incite a civil war and they failed to stop Iraqis from sighing up in the security forces in large numbers? Bush is suffering an intelligence failure.
no suicide bombings til the american attack on their sovereign nation.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
OMG there's September 11th again.. and I thought Bush said he wasnt concerned about Bin Laden's whereabouts?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
"I'm tired of burying my buddies"
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
We have made significant progress? Dear gawd.. Free and fair elections? hey that something we need here!.. and its hard work to rebuild a country doncha know?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
AMEN TO THAT! This stupid fucker doesn't have a problem sheddiing BLOOD---so long as it ain't his or the sonsabitches around him or his daughters!
Damn man, I still have to eat supper. I don't think I am going to be able to after this crap.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
In the past year we have made significant progress. Is that why Bush is forced to be on the radio tonight selling us snake oil?
May, 2003
I've got it turned on now, and i believe you hit it.......replay, replay, replay.
ROFL!
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
So what he is basically is telling us is that up is down, black is white and pigs can really fly, right? " I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
Oh I see when Bush mentioned Brussels ..he kinda forgot the Brussels Tribunal ..
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
Keep mentioning all these other people involved, too.........that way, it can always be foisted off on 'them.....i had to follow suit. Truth is we 've had to pay all these countries to send their onsies and twosies.
lol..
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
LOLOL
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
I think Iraqis ARE already defending their own countrymen arent they?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
To complete the mission? He already said as Jethro pointed out, Mission Accomplished. Dear God, how many times has he said the word *terrorist*?
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Huntin' down the terrrrrrerists and insurgents - grrrrrrrr! What a fuckwit! If he is into finding and defeating the terriors, why don't he just off himself?
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
we're up to 160,000 trained and armed and able to serve in some capacity.....the iraqis.............don't dare mention though, they've thrown down their arms and ran TWICE............or that they are playing the games our guys taught.....ARREST THEM ALL, ABUSE THEM ALL, AND THEN WEED OUT THOSE WHO MIGHT BE INNOCENT BASED ON BEING TOO DAMNED OLD TO HAVE DONE IT, OR TOO DAMNED YOUNG TO HAVE DONE IT.....THOSE WITH NO ARMS, LEGS, OR WHEREWITHAL, I.E., BRAIN CELLS.......
When the Iraqis stand up ..we will "I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
ROFL!!
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
How else can we get their oil???
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
But CAPPS he looks Sssssssoooooooooo sincere..
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this speech. It's not a State Of The Union speech. It's more along the lines of, let's bullshit the American People as to why we are fighting a war for Israeli Interests. I see Clinton and Bush Sr, are on the Butt Buddy tour together. This tells me, and should tell everyone that the corruption between both parties is so pervasive, that voting for either side of the coin, is like picking a head to bite you on a Hydra. This is pathetic, and what's worse, you have people on other websites, and on the radio clamoring about how righteous our president is. It's a sad day in America to find out that if you dissent, you're just another terrorist.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: christine (#0)
#4. To: justlurking (#1)
#5. To: christine (#0)
#6. To: christine (#4)
omg...it's the same lies over and over and over.
#7. To: christine (#4)
#8. To: crack monkey (#3)
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: he didnt have to hire his speech writers, its a replay (#2)
#11. To: justlurking (#1)
#12. To: crack monkey (#5)
#13. To: christine (#0)
#14. To: justlurking (#6)
#15. To: christine (#0)
#16. To: All (#8)
#17. To: crack monkey (#9)
He's laying on the old bot spin about taking the fight to the terrorist. Laying it on thick.
#18. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#11)
How many times has he mentioned September 11th??? Is anyone keeping count???
#19. To: crack monkey (#15)
#20. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#7)
#21. To: christine (#0)
#22. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#14)
#23. To: All (#16)
#24. To: justlurking (#18)
#25. To: justlurking (#18)
#26. To: christine (#0)
#27. To: christine (#0)
#28. To: justlurking (#12)
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
#30. To: Zipporah (#24)
Those poor soldiers..watching that dolt.. I wonder what they are thinking..
#31. To: justlurking (#30)
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
#33. To: Zipporah (#29)
OMG there's September 11th again
#34. To: christine (#0)
#35. To: All (#23)
#36. To: christine (#10)
#37. To: justlurking (#33)
Damn man, I still have to eat supper. I don't think I am going to be able to after this crap.
#38. To: christine (#20)
it will inspire millions in the ME to claim their liberty alright, by gathering the whole world against the american EMPIRE.
#39. To: crack monkey, All (#34)
#40. To: christine (#0)
#41. To: All (#36)
#42. To: crack monkey (#21)
Bush now has OBL in Iraq. At least he's using the name in the same sentence as the word "Iraq".
#43. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
#44. To: justlurking (#39)
#45. To: christine (#43)
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
#47. To: Zipporah (#29)
#48. To: All (#41)
#49. To: christine (#43)
stand knock them down..
#50. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#47)
If he is into finding and defeating the terriors, why don't he just off himself?
#51. To: Zipporah (#49)
When the Iraqis stand up ..we will knock them down..
#52. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#47)
#53. To: Zipporah, all (#49)
#54. To: christine (#0)
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#55. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#51)
Hmm ..depopulate the entire country not just Falluja and Bagdad?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#56. To: Zipporah (#52)
....until you peek behind the pulpit and see Dick Cheney's hand up his ass in order to "manage" Howdy Dumbya.
But CAPPS he looks Sssssssoooooooooo sincere
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#57. To: christine (#0)
Nothing but blather and drivel. Bush is pathetic to the point of being scary. The country doesn't have a leader, it has a little twit who grabbed power and who commands no respect anywhere.
#58. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#56)
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#59. To: all (#56)
Bring 'em home in boxes George, you sorry POS.
#60. To: Zipporah (#55)
Isn't that what our old buddies at Fraud Republic want? (i.e. KILL THE RAGHEADS)
Hmm ..depopulate the entire country not just Falluja and Bagdad?
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#61. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#54)
Its the state of the Bullshit speech.. And hes telling us that we are not leaving..
It's not a State Of The Union speech. It's more along the lines of, let's bullshit the American People as to why we are fighting a war for Israeli Interests.
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#62. To: justlurking (#53)
oh, that is great!
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#63. To: justlurking (#58)
ROFLMAO!!!!!
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#64. To: christine (#0)
Listening to the guy puff and stutter I can see why 55% of his own country and all the rest of the free world thinks he it an incompetent idiot.
#65. To: christine (#0)
It should be a good hour for cable programming ratings, i.e. WB, PAX, UPN, "Weather Channel"...
#66. To: justlurking (#58)
Nice pic!
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#67. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#60)
Uh huh.. what was that song from the Burbs? "I want to kill everyone .. satan is my friend ..satan is my pal" FR's themesong?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#68. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#66)
GOOD one LOL!!
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#69. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#66)
It's not me!
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#70. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#54)
you got it, tommy. i wonder if bush heard that rummy said we'd be there for at least another 12 years? he's talking about an iraqi constitution. like leno said, give them ours, we're not using it.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#71. To: All (#59)
But I don't give a fuck if the Sunni arabs vote. America first you internationalist prick.
#72. To: christine (#70)
i wonder if bush heard that rummy said we'd be there for at least another 12 years?
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#73. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#66)
what does the ring say?
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#74. To: Zipporah (#68)
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#75. To: christine (#70)
Maybe Bush could spread some freedom over here too.
he's talking about an iraqi constitution. like leno said, give them ours, we're not using it.
#76. To: justlurking (#45)
To the neocons, the mission was accomplished the day we invaded Iraq. Nothing else really mattered. the 2005 version of greater Israel would be accomplished no matter what in the ME. All of the neocons in govt and the think tank ideologues were studying the invasion scenario for years. They all got together and lied when they said the 3 sects of Iraqis would get together for peace. And Bush was in on it. Or else he would have fired Wolf, Feith and the others responsible for the screwup.
To complete the mission?
#77. To: christine (#0)
Here's the text of the REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON THE WAR ON TERROR Thank you and good evening. I am pleased to visit Fort Bragg - "Home of the Airborne and Special Operations Forces." It is an honor to speak before you tonight. My greatest responsibility as President is to protect the American people, and that is your calling as well. I thank you for your service, your courage and your sacrifice. I thank your families, who support you in your vital work. The soldiers and families of Fort Bragg have contributed mightily to our efforts to secure our country and promote peace. America is grateful - and so is your Commander-in-Chief. The troops here and across the world are fighting a global war on terror. This war reached our shores on September 11, 2001. The terrorists who attacked us - and the terrorists we face - murder in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance, and despises all dissent. Their aim is to remake the Middle East in their own grim image of tyranny and oppression - by toppling governments, driving us out of the region, and exporting terror. To achieve these aims, they have continued to kill - in Madrid, Istanbul, Jakarta, Casablanca, Riyadh, Bali, and elsewhere. The terrorists believe that free societies are essentially corrupt and decadent, and with a few hard blows they can force us to retreat. They are mistaken. After September 11, I made a commitment to the American people: This Nation will not wait to be attacked again. We will take the fight to the enemy. We will defend our freedom. Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war. Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women, and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of our citizens in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad before they attack us at home. The commander in charge of Coalition operations in Iraq - who is also senior commander at this base - General John Vines, put it well the other day. He said: "We either deal with terrorism and this extremism abroad, or we deal with it when it comes to us." Our mission in Iraq is clear. We are hunting down the terrorists. We are helping Iraqis build a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror. We are advancing freedom in the broader Middle East. We are removing a source of violence and instability - and laying the foundation of peace for our children and our grandchildren. The work in Iraq is difficult and dangerous. Like most Americans, I see the images of violence and bloodshed. Every picture is horrifying - and the suffering is real. Amid all this violence, I know Americans ask the question: Is the sacrifice worth it? It is worth it, and it is vital to the future security of our country. And tonight I will explain the reasons why. Some of the violence you see in Iraq is being carried out by ruthless killers who are converging on Iraq to fight the advance of peace and freedom. Our military reports that we have killed or captured hundreds of foreign fighters in Iraq who have come from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Libya and other nations. They are making common cause with criminal elements, Iraqi insurgents, and remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime who want to restore the old order. They fight because they know that the survival of their hateful ideology is at stake. They know that as freedom takes root in Iraq, it will inspire millions across the Middle East to claim their liberty as well. And when the Middle East grows in democracy, prosperity, and hope, the terrorists will lose their sponsors, lose their recruits, and lose their hopes for turning that region into a base for attacks on America and our allies around the world. Some wonder whether Iraq is a central front in the war on terror. Among the terrorists, there is no debate. Hear the words of Osama Bin Laden: "This Third World War ... is raging" in Iraq. "The whole world is watching this war." He says it will end in "victory and glory or misery and humiliation." The terrorists know that the outcome will leave them emboldened, or defeated. So, they are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who exploded car bombs along a busy shopping street in Baghdad - including one outside a mosque. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who sent a suicide bomber to a teaching hospital in Mosul. And we see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who behead civilian hostages and broadcast their atrocities for the world to see. These are savage acts of violence - but they have not brought the terrorists any closer to achieving their strategic objectives. The terrorists - both foreign and Iraqi - failed to stop the transfer of sovereignty. They failed to break our Coalition and force a mass withdrawal by our allies. They failed to incite an Iraqi civil war. They failed to prevent free elections. They failed to stop the formation of a democratic Iraqi government that represents all of Iraq's diverse population. And they failed to stop Iraqis from signing up in large numbers with the police forces and the army to defend their new democracy. The lesson of this experience is clear: The terrorists can kill the innocent - but they cannot stop the advance of freedom. The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September 11 ... if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi ... and if we yield the future of the Middle East to men like Bin Laden. For the sake of our Nation's security, this will not happen on my watch. A little over a year ago, I spoke to the Nation and described our Coalition's goal in Iraq. I said that America's mission in Iraq is to defeat an enemy and give strength to a friend - a free, representative government that is an ally in the war on terror, and a beacon of hope in a part of the world that is desperate for reform. I outlined the steps we would take to achieve this goal: We would hand authority over to a sovereign Iraqi government ... we would help Iraqis hold free elections by January 2005 ... we would continue helping Iraqis rebuild their nation's infrastructure and economy ... we would encourage more international support for Iraq's democratic transition ... and we would enable Iraqis to take increasing responsibility for their own security and stability. In the past year, we have made significant progress: One year ago today, we restored sovereignty to the Iraqi people. In January 2005, more than eight million Iraqi men and women voted in elections that were free and fair - and took place on time. We continued our efforts to help them rebuild their country. Rebuilding a country after three decades of tyranny is hard - and rebuilding while at war is even harder. Our progress has been uneven - but progress is being made. We are improving roads, and schools, and health clinics ... and working to improve basic services like sanitation, electricity, and water. And together with our allies, we will help the new Iraqi government deliver a better life for its citizens. In the past year, the international community has stepped forward with vital assistance. Some thirty nations have troops in Iraq, and many others are contributing non-military assistance. The United Nations is in Iraq to help Iraqis write a constitution and conduct their next elections. Thus far, some 40 countries and three international organizations have pledged about 34 billion dollars in assistance for Iraqi reconstruction. More than 80 countries and international organizations recently came together in Brussels to coordinate their efforts to help Iraqis provide for their security and rebuild their country. And next month, donor countries will meet in Jordan to support Iraqi reconstruction. Whatever our differences in the past, the world understands that success in Iraq is critical to the security of all our nations. As German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said at the White House yesterday, "There can be no question a stable and democratic Iraq is in the vested interest of not just Germany, but also Europe." Finally, we have continued our efforts to equip and train Iraqi Security Forces. We have made gains in both the number and quality of those forces. Today Iraq has more than 160,000 security forces trained and equipped for a variety of missions. Iraqi forces have fought bravely - helping to capture terrorists and insurgents in Najaf, Samarra, Fallujah, and Mosul. And in the past month, Iraqi forces have led a major anti-terrorist campaign in Baghdad called Operation Lightning - which has led to the capture of hundreds of suspected insurgents. Like free people everywhere, Iraqis want to be defended by their own countrymen - and we are helping Iraqis assume those duties. The progress in the past year has been significant - and we have a clear path forward. To complete the mission, we will continue to hunt down the terrorists and insurgents. To complete the mission, we will prevent al-Qaida and other foreign terrorists from turning Iraq into what Afghanistan was under the Taliban - a safe haven from which they could launch attacks on America and our friends. And the best way to complete the mission is to help Iraqis build a free nation that can govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself. So our strategy going forward has both a military track and a political track. The principal task of our military is to find and defeat the terrorists - and that is why we are on the offense. And as we pursue the terrorists, our military is helping to train Iraqi Security Forces so that they can defend their people and fight the enemy on their own. Our strategy can be summed up this way: As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down. We have made progress - but we have a lot more work to do. Today Iraqi Security Forces are at different levels of readiness. Some are capable of taking on the terrorists and insurgents by themselves. A larger number can plan and execute anti-terrorist operations with Coalition support. The rest are forming and not yet ready to participate fully in security operations. Our task is to make the Iraqi units fully capable and independent. We are building up Iraqi Security Forces as quickly as possible, so they can assume the lead in defeating the terrorists and insurgents. Our Coalition is devoting considerable resources and manpower to this critical task. Thousands of Coalition troops are involved in the training and equipping of Iraqi Security Forces. NATO is establishing a military academy near Baghdad to train the next generation of Iraqi military leaders - and 17 nations are contributing troops to the NATO training mission. Iraqi Army and Police are being trained by personnel from Italy, Germany, Ukraine, Turkey, Poland, Romania, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Today dozens of nations are working toward a common objective: an Iraq that can defend itself, defeat its enemies, and secure its freedom. To further prepare Iraqi forces to fight the enemy on their own, we are taking three new steps: First, we are partnering Coalition units with Iraqi units. These Coalition-Iraqi teams are conducting operations together in the field. These combined operations are giving Iraqis a chance to experience how the most professional armed forces in the world operate in combat. Second, we are embedding Coalition "Transition Teams" inside Iraqi units. These teams are made up of Coalition officers and non-commissioned officers who live, work, and fight together with their Iraqi comrades. Under U.S. command, they are providing battlefield advice and assistance to Iraqi forces during combat operations. Between battles, they are assisting the Iraqis with important skills - such as urban combat, and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance techniques. Third, we are working with the Iraqi Ministries of Interior and Defense to improve their capabilities to coordinate anti-terrorist operations. We are helping them develop command and control structures. We are also providing them with civilian and military leadership training, so Iraq's new leaders can more effectively manage their forces in the fight against terror. The new Iraqi Security Forces are proving their courage every day. More than 2,000 members of the Iraqi Security Forces have given their lives in the line of duty. Thousands more have stepped forward, and are now in training to serve their nation. With each engagement, Iraqi soldiers grow more battle-hardened, and their officers grow more experienced. We have learned that Iraqis are courageous and that they need additional skills. That is why a major part of our mission is to train them so they can do the fighting and our troops can come home. I recognize that Americans want our troops to come home as quickly as possible. So do I. Some contend that we should set a deadline for withdrawing U.S. forces. Let me explain why that would be a serious mistake. Setting an artificial timetable would send the wrong message to the Iraqis - who need to know that America will not leave before the job is done. It would send the wrong message to our troops - who need to know that we are serious about completing the mission they are risking their lives to achieve. And it would send the wrong message to the enemy - who would know that all they have to do is to wait us out. We will stay in Iraq as long as we are needed - and not a day longer. Some Americans ask me, if completing the mission is so important, why don't you send more troops? If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever - when we are in fact working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave. As we determine the right force level, our troops can know that I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters - the sober judgment of our military leaders. The other critical element of our strategy is to help ensure that the hopes Iraqis expressed at the polls in January are translated into a secure democracy. The Iraqi people are emerging from decades of tyranny and oppression. Under the regime of Saddam Hussein, the Shia and Kurds were brutally oppressed - and the vast majority of Sunni Arabs were also denied their basic rights while senior regime officials enjoyed the privileges of unchecked power. The challenge facing Iraqis today is to put this past behind them, and come together to build a new Iraq that includes all its people. They are doing that by building the institutions of a free society - a society based on freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, and equal justice under law. The Iraqis have held free elections and established a Transitional National Assembly. The next step is to write a good constitution that enshrines these freedoms in permanent law. The Assembly plans to expand its constitutional drafting committee to include more Sunni Arabs. Many Sunnis who opposed the January elections are now taking part in the democratic process - and that is essential to Iraq's future. After a constitution is written, the Iraqi people will have a chance to vote on it. If approved, Iraqis will go to the polls again, to elect a new government under their new, permanent constitution. By taking these critical steps and meeting their deadlines, Iraqis will bind their multiethnic society together in a democracy that respects the will of the majority and protects minority rights. As Iraqis grow confident that the democratic progress they are making is real and permanent, more will join the political process. And as Iraqis see that their military can protect them, more will step forward with vital intelligence to help defeat the enemies of a free Iraq. The combination of political and military reform will lay a solid foundation for a free and stable Iraq. As Iraqis make progress toward a free society, the effects are being felt beyond Iraq's borders. Before our Coalition liberated Iraq, Libya was secretly pursuing nuclear weapons. Today the leader of Libya has given up his chemical and nuclear weapons programs. Across the broader Middle East, people are claiming their freedom. In the last few months, we have witnessed elections in the Palestinian Territories and Lebanon. These elections are inspiring democratic reformers in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Our strategy to defend ourselves and spread freedom is working. The rise of freedom in this vital region will eliminate the conditions that feed radicalism and ideologies of murder - and make our Nation safer. We have more work to do, and there will be tough moments that test America's resolve. We are fighting against men with blind hatred - and armed with lethal weapons - who are capable of any atrocity. They wear no uniform; they respect no laws of warfare or morality. They take innocent lives to create chaos for the cameras. They are trying to shake our will in Iraq - just as they tried to shake our will on September 11, 2001. They will fail. The terrorists do not understand America. The American people do not falter under threat - and we will not allow our future to be determined by car bombers and assassins. America and our friends are in a conflict that demands much of us. It demands the courage of our fighting men and women ... it demands the steadfastness of our allies ... and it demands the perseverance of our citizens. We accept these burdens - because we know what is at stake. We fight today, because Iraq now carries the hope of freedom in a vital region of the world - and the rise of democracy will be the ultimate triumph over radicalism and terror. And we fight today because terrorists want to attack our country and kill our citizens - and Iraq is where they are making their stand. So we will fight them there ... we will fight them across the world - and we will stay in the fight until the fight is won. America has done difficult work before. From our desperate fight for independence, to the darkest days of a Civil War, to the hard-fought battles against tyranny in the 20th Century, there were many chances to lose our heart, our nerve, or our way. But Americans have always held firm, because we have always believed in certain truths. We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us again. We know that when the work is hard, the proper response is not retreat, it is courage. And we know that this great ideal of human freedom is entrusted to us in a special way - and that the ideal of liberty is worth defending. In this time of testing, our troops can know: The American people are behind you. Next week, our Nation has an opportunity to make sure that support is felt by every soldier, sailor, airman, coast guardsman, and Marine at every outpost across the world. This Fourth of July, I ask you to find a way to thank the men and women defending our freedom - by flying the flag ... sending letters to our troops in the field ... or helping the military family down the street. The Department of Defense has set up a website - AmericaSupportsYou.mil. You can go there to learn about private efforts in your own community. At this time when we celebrate our freedom, let us stand with the men and women who defend us all. To the soldiers in this hall, and our servicemen and women across the globe: I thank you for your courage under fire and your service to our Nation. I thank our military families - the burden of war falls especially hard on you. In this war, we have lost good men and women who left our shores to defend freedom - and did not live to make the journey home. I have met with families grieving the loss of loved ones who were taken from us too soon. I have been inspired by their strength in the face of such great loss. We pray for the families. And the best way to honor the lives that have been given in this struggle is to complete the mission. I thank those of you who have re-enlisted in an hour when your country needs you. And to those watching tonight who are considering a military career, there is no higher calling than service in our Armed Forces. We live in freedom because every generation has produced patriots willing to serve a cause greater than themselves. Those who serve today are taking their rightful place among the greatest generations that have worn our Nation's uniform. When the history of this period is written, the liberation of Afghanistan and the liberation of Iraq will be remembered as great turning points in the story of freedom. After September 11, 2001, I told the American people that the road ahead would be difficult - and that we would prevail. Well, it has been difficult. And we are prevailing. Our enemies are brutal - but they are no match for the United States of America - and they are no match for the men and women of the United States military. Thank you. And may God bless America.
bullshit speech:
As Prepared for Delivery
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#71)
NO SHIT. I THOUGHT HE SAID HIS RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT AMERICANS, NOT IRAQIS!!!!
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#79. To: all (#76)
"So far, so good you dopey putz."
#80. To: Zipporah (#77)
Yep, cuz damn sure no one else is signing up.
I thank those of you who have re-enlisted in an hour when your country needs you
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#81. To: christine (#78)
How many times is this 9/11 has been brought up? This is an "I'm running scared speech".. MY POLL NUMBERS SUCK!
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#82. To: christine (#73)
It's the One Ring of the Dark Lord Sauron from the movies The Lord of the Rings It's inscription reads: Three Rings Elves-of Kings-to under the sky, Seven Lords-to Dwarves-of stone-of halls-their-in, Nine Mortal Men-to which the Death-of destine, One the Dark Lord-to dark-throne-his-on Mordor-of Land-in which-in shadows lie. One Ring to-control them all, One Ring to-find them, One Ring to-gather them all and darkness-in to-bind them Mordor-of Land-in which-in shadows lie.
what does the ring say?
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#83. To: Zipporah (#77)
Somebody better flash a bigger "applause sign" because that last "pause for applause" was less that "enthusiastic", indeed!
#84. To: justlurking (#80)
Isnt that the truth? I'll fly the flag .. upside down! AMERICAN SUPPORTS YOU.mil?? OMG .. Barf bag time..
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#85. To: Zipporah (#81)
When all else fails 
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#86. To: Zipporah (#81)
I bet he's down three more points tomorrow. The crap he's dishing is pathetic.
How many times is this 9/11 has been brought up? This is an "I'm running scared speech".. MY POLL NUMBERS SUCK!
#87. To: Zipporah (#81)
He "ain't seen nuthin" yet...
This is an "I'm running scared speech".. MY POLL NUMBERS SUCK!
#88. To: Brian S (#83)
Those poor men.. hes saying he's met with grieving families..?? He says we pray for the families ..to who? And now this is a recruitment speech? .. dear gawd..
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#89. To: Zipporah (#84)
PT Barnum would like a word with you.
And to those watching tonight who are considering a military career,
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#90. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#82)
i need to watch that movie..i never know what people are talking about when it's mentioned.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#91. To: justlurking (#85)
He just pitched enlisting!!! He called it "no higher calling." Sorry, no sale George...
#92. To: justlurking (#85)
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#93. To: crack monkey (#86)
It is pathetic.. those poor men I swear..this is sickening.
I bet he's down three more points tomorrow. The crap he's dishing is pathetic.
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#91)
LOL! CBS devoted about one minute to commentary and went right back to regular programming!
Sorry, no sale George...
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#95. To: christine (#90)
Well, he is either the Dark Lord and we are Mordor, or he is Invader Zim - I haven't made up my mind yet. 9/11 tally = 6 total mentions!!!
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#96. To: Brian S, crack monkey (#87)
no huge surprise, no new initiative (wolf blitzer) he made six direct references to 911 in this--what a joke when it's been proven that iraq had nothing to do with 911.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#97. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#92)
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#98. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#95)
Can you believe that .. 6 references? What a putz..
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#99. To: justlurking (#94)
LMAO!! damn liberal media!!!
LOL! CBS devoted about one minute to commentary and went right back to regular programming!
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#100. To: Zipporah (#93)
If I had a military record like Bush I would be ashamed to stand up in front of a group of real soldiers and strut and preen. What a digusting fraud this guy is.
#101. To: justlurking (#89)
Look at this! SACRILEDGE!!!!!! ARRRGGHHH!
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#102. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#97)
That picture is inaccurate. Bush wouldn't have their heads on a plate, Bush would be buggering them with a glow stick.
#103. To: christine (#99)
ABC is still dissecting it.
LMAO!! damn liberal media!!!
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#104. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#101)
*ACK*
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#105. To: justlurking (#103)
Clear Channel can't find anything good to say about it so they're giving the history of Fort Bragg. Talking about how often the the troops clapped.
#106. To: justlurking (#104)
THIS photo is MUCH better....
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#107. To: crack monkey (#105)
That's pretty bad.
Clear Channel can't find anything good to say about it so they're giving the history of Fort Bragg. Talking about how often the the troops clapped.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#108. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#106)
LMAO!
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#109. To: crack monkey (#105)
whoops, ABC back to the sitcoms.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#110. To: Zipporah (#77)
Things that make you go "ummmmm".
"also denied their basic rights while senior regime officials enjoyed the privileges of unchecked power." Bush
#111. To: tom007 (#110)
yeah I wonder who else that just might fit? I was just listening to the analysis and they said that playing the 9/11 card has worked in the past.. well I think that is another thing that makes you go 'ummmm' cause the people aren't buying into it any longer..
Things that make you go "ummmmm".
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#112. To: christine (#73)
Every word in this speech is carefully chosen to convey a message. Bush said something about Iraq that is a common theme for him- he said he would protect the rights of the minority. He never acknowledged a responsibility to the majority. He never does in the US either. That is because he does not believe the majority have rights. Just look at the II issue and how he treats Americans in the majority. The illegals are a special group who are always painted as Christians, hard working, care only about providing for their families, want to serve us by doing the jobs we won't do, etc. Always an over the top description of their almost inherent goodness, making the case that they DESERVE a part of what we have. The Marxism is almost a natural right of these people. His portrayal of the Mex as inherently good and deserving of that which is ours is obvious in his open borders belief. I have seen Bush say that the US had no right to turn away a Good Mex in need. Sovereignty is less important to Bush than his marxism. My point in bringing this 1 line in his speech up is to show how he consistently pushes Marxism in everything he does, even when managing the iraqis. With all their is to worry about in Iraq, he had to get out his usual message supporting Marxism. Other examples can be seen in photo ops and statements involving illegals. He will never address the concerns of poor whites, who are the majority of the poor in this nation- he acts as though they don't exist. Again, methodically Marxist in that it never portrays the majority class under attack in a sympathetic way. No matter what. Bush does this 100% of the time. Can anyone here recall addressing concerns of poor whites of for that matter- any whites. Think of how Marxist the man or his controllers must be. Bush is literally the 1st President in history to target the middle class to benefit the other 2 classes. Only a true Marxist, communist, neocon, whatever you want to call him, would target the middle class in all the ways Bush has. Thats a fact. And he has gone out of his way to showcase it! So when Bush makes a Marxist statement, I take notice no matter what the context, because it is always done for a reason.
#113. To: Zipporah, christine, justlurking, (#111)
Did anyone here take a gander at LP, FR, FU and the Cp crowd to see if they have short circuited their vibrators yet?
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#114. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#113)
LOL! No .. but now wouldnt that be way too interesting..?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#115. To: Zipporah (#114)
i was just wondering if that is why the lights here are flickering on and off - Ohio is a Republican bastard....I mean bastion.
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#116. To: christine (#96)
One of the things that bothers me the most about Bush is the attitude he displays when lying or when making implications about something he has been 'caught' lying on. He could have just dropped the propaganda that Iraq was tied to 911 right after he officially admitted it in a statement to the media a while. But no. He, as well as Cheney and others in the admin, keep raising the issue and using it whenever convenient. The attitude that requires is monumental. He knows a % of Americans will rightfully be angered by the connection, but that does not stop him. Unlike other Presidents, he seems to have no shame when caught deceiving the Am people. It's almost like he is mocking his political opponents.
he made six direct references to 911 in this--what a joke when it's been proven that iraq had nothing to do with 911
#117. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#113)
The "neocon bots" are uncharacteristically quiet and absent on the "live thread", indeed! /chuckle
Did anyone here take a gander at LP, FR, FU and the Cp crowd to see if they have short circuited their vibrators yet?
#118. To: Bayonne (#116)
Do you have any idea how many bots out there want and need to believe that Iraq was tired to 9/11, had WMD, was working with AQ and was a threat to us? Richard W.
just dropped the propaganda that Iraq was tied to 911
#119. To: crack monkey (#100)
Bush seems to have no sense of shame regarding anything. Caught lying about ALL the reasons for Iraq? Who cares? "I would have invaded Iraq knowing all of the reasons were false." He always makes a statement so that the public knows he has no shame. A sense of shame guides us into changing certain behaviors because we recognize they are hurting people. If Bush genuinely does not have one, it would certainly explain alot of his behavior.
If I had a military record like Bush I would be ashamed to stand up in front of a group of real soldiers and strut and preen.
#120. To: CAPPSMADNESS, Zipporah, christine (#113)
To: Howlin Thank you, dear Lord, for giving us this wonderful man of faith and resolve to lead us during these perilous times. 751 posted on 06/28/2005 5:40:49 PM PDT by Grandma Pam [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 709 | View Replies ] To: Miss Marple What was it exactly, do you think, that triggered the tears from W. at the end of the speech? Just thinking about how great the troops are? 798 posted on 06/28/2005 5:43:01 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 762 | View Replies ] he teared up ? hurled up my dinner.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#121. To: justlurking (#120)
Hes crying cause hes afraid of being impeached?
he teared up ? hurled up my dinner.
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#122. To: Arete (#118)
The bots are so conditioned, sometimes I forget that they require maintenance for some issues like the reasons for Iraq. Even if the BOTS don't believe it, it is still valuable in that it reminds them that they must lie for the leader to cover every lie he tells. It shows them how they should have no shame either- just like Bush and the admin. The more Bush repeats a lie, the more need there is for BOTS to defend it.
#123. To: Zipporah (#121)
I'm crying cause he ruined a perfectly good Italian dinner for me. The jackass is crying because he knows this ain't gonna stop those free falling poll #'s.
Hes crying cause hes afraid of being impeached?
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#124. To: Brian S (#117)
it's over a thousand posts..... Man, they creep me out. Funny thread on FU though.
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#125. To: justlurking (#120)
can you believe this out of "christian' women??? They must secretly dream of having sexual relations with simians - kinda like female Micheal Jacksons....
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#126. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#125)
They'd hop in the sack with ole Bushie faster than ole Bill got a BJ from Moanica if they had half a chance. They are liars if they say they wouldn't. They get a woody just looking at the flight suit pic.
can you believe this out of "christian' women???
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#127. To: justlurking, ALL (#126)
you know, bush never fails to exceed my lowest expectations.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#128. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#124)
You see this about Hillarys Lovely Legs? Check out her tagline. To: BigWaveBetty I thought that you would enjoy a replay of Tom's appearance on Oprah yesterday. 165 posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:38 AM EDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (This post wasn't cleared by the Fresno Mafia, so I expect a personal attack any moment.) Looks like Ole Jim saw it. This account has been banned or suspended.
Funny thread on FU though.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#129. To: christine (#127)
It's an absolute shame, God knows there are plenty more qualified than that jackass.
you know, bush never fails to exceed my lowest expectations.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#130. To: Bayonne (#119)
he doesn't have to because he knows he can get away with murder. he pulled off stealing two elections and he's accountable only to his puppermasters.
Bush seems to have no sense of shame regarding anything. Caught lying about ALL the reasons for Iraq?
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#131. To: justlurking (#120)
i'm speechless
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#132. To: christine (#131)
I'm not. I expected nothing less.
i'm speechless
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#133. To: justlurking (#132)
laughing..
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#134. To: christine, justlurking, Zipporah (#133)
CNN Poll on Bush's spew = 46% positive reaction from the Sheeple We are DOOMED
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#135. To: Bayonne, crack monkey (#116)
Did either one of you see Bush exposed with his transmitter device on his back under his suit coat? It was as clear as day for about two seconds. Did anyone else see it?
#136. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#134)
Probably all Republicans. When the President speaks about a war going on, you would expect a higher postive percentage. Me, I'm off to a BB, I feel all slimy having watched and listened to the fool for 25 minutes. Be back ina short.
46% positive reaction from the Sheeple
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#137. To: Fred Mertz (#135)
It was as clear as day for about two seconds. Did anyone else see it? I am throwback without a TV. Just a radio and a computer.
Did either one of you see Bush exposed with his transmitter device on his back under his suit coat?
#138. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#134)
We are DOOMED 46% might not be so bad. Bush gave us the same old spew we've heard from day one. Nothing new or contraversial. The number might indicate that more than half the people thought it was total bullshit and 46% thought it was the same crap they always hear. It really depends on the exact wording of the question.
CNN Poll on Bush's spew = 46% positive reaction from the Sheeple
#139. To: justlurking (#136)
I enjoyed the pics you posted ;) Well, at least Smirk didn't say we're invading Iran tomorrow.
“We’re making enemies faster than we can kill them.”
#140. To: CAPPSMADNESS, Zipporah, christine (#134)
From AmericaBlog: ABC's Terry Moran just reported that the only time Bush got applause was in the middle of his speech when a White House advance team member started clapping all on their own in order to cajole the soldiers into clapping, which they dutifully did. So even the applause was fake. From Think Progress: References to "September 11?: 5 References to "weapons of mass destruction": 0 References to "freedom": 21 References to "exit strategy": 0 References to "Saddam Hussein": 2 References to "Osama Bin Laden": 2 References to "a mistake": 1 (setting a timetable for withdrawal) References to "mission": 11 References to "mission accomplished": 0
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#141. To: Fred Mertz (#135)
It was as clear as day for about two seconds. Did anyone else see it? NO! Again? I didnt see it .. I wonder if the pics will be published?
id either one of you see Bush exposed with his transmitter device on his back under his suit coat?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#142. To: robin (#139)
Gotta Love Bart Cop ;) Give him time on Iran, he has to get those poll #'s back up first.
I enjoyed the pics you posted ;)
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#143. To: robin (#139)
I thought the Iran invasion had already begun?
Well, at least Smirk didn't say we're invading Iran tomorrow.
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#144. To: justlurking (#140)
So even the applause was fake. Geesh you could tell the applause wasnt exactly 'spirited'.. Paula Zahn said there was 6 references to 9/11 .. and I wonder how many times he said "work".. what IS up with that? I wonder who on earth came up with that.. it is so stupid.
ABC's Terry Moran just reported that the only time Bush got applause was in the middle of his speech when a White House advance team member started clapping all on their own in order to cajole the soldiers into clapping, which they dutifully did.
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#145. To: Zipporah (#141)
it's not a transmitter - it's his wind-up key
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#146. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#143)
Yep... but not officially.. clandestine operations..
I thought the Iran invasion had already begun?
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#147. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#145)
LOL!
it's not a transmitter - it's his wind-up key
"I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically"." - GW Bush
#148. To: Zipporah (#144)
When I get a minute, I'm gonna count up how many times he said terrorist. Be back ina short.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#149. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#145)
Naw, I think it's just the part of his harness where they clip the leash after he gets off stage.
it's not a transmitter - it's his wind-up key
#150. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#143)
That's right, heh heh...I don't count flyovers. How did Smirk look? I listened to him on the radio driving home.
I thought the Iran invasion had already begun?
“We’re making enemies faster than we can kill them.”
#151. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#134)
The media has been on board cheerleading Bush's big "save my approval ratings" speech all day. CNN has been pounding the table on all the positive developments in Iraq. Not hearing much about the big Chinook that went down in Afghanistan today though, and the story of all the female marines that were killed over the weekend was dropped like a hot potato. The situation is even worse than we think it is and the nitwit is up there taking bows for the progress. Maybe we are doomed. Richard W.
#152. To: crack monkey (#149)
Homing device so they can locate him if he wanders off. Richard W.
#153. To: Fred Mertz (#135)
It was as clear as day for about two seconds. Did anyone else see it? Hey sharp eyes, you saw it before too! I'll take your word for it.
Did either one of you see Bush exposed with his transmitter device on his back under his suit coat?
“We’re making enemies faster than we can kill them.”
#154. To: christine (#130)
Bush does appear to be under control. Never has a President changed so much between his 1st election and his actions in office. Recently, Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton conducted themselves in office as the public expected their behavior matched their campaign rhetoric, for the most part. Then we have Bush- a lifelong moderate conservative in his father's vein. A lifetime of political beliefs cannot be changed at his age- and certainly not so many in such a short period of time. Bush was a conservative, got into office and became a Marxist, so much so that he even attacks the middle class. Bush was an isolationist, opposed to the Kosovo 'war' for example, then became an interventionist committed to building an American Empire. Bush favored a border with Mexico as gov of Texas and increased funding for BP, then as Pres calls for open borders, basically an end to US sovereignty with his extreme globalism, and fights to cut funding for BP- or at least reduce it to less than Congress suggested. As a conservative, Bush must have believed in the philosophy of the founding fathers regarding the individual. But when he gets into office, he does all he can to advance a police state and take away rights individuals have had in the US for 100's of years. That's just for starters. The question is How could Bush change his positions on so many issues this late in his life? Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton didn't.
#155. To: Zipporah (#147)
" I intend to live forever -- so far, so good
#156. To: robin (#153)
I think it is significant. I saw it tonight. I hope others did as well. Thank you.
Hey sharp eyes, you saw it before too! I'll take your word for it.
#157. To: Fred Mertz (#135)
I'm completely baffled by Bush's behavior in the last few years. The idea that he is following orders received via transmitter, or that he is parroting rhetoric he is told via transmitter, almost sounds possible at this point.
#158. To: Arete (#151)
Maybe we are doomed. The latest I heard on that Chinook was that the Taliban was taking credit for it falling out of the sky. The CNN reporter added that "Of course we've heard no corroboration of that from the Pentagon," as if the Pentagon would say, "Yeah, they shot it down," or something. There's a lot of circumstantial and grudging info from the Pentagon that things aren't all that peachy in Afghanistan. I think doomed is too strong a word. I'd say that, barring a huge increase in troop levels (and in my mind it's around 250-400K more needed to really pacify Iraq) we'll need to leave Iraq, either in orderly fashion, (think Soviets from Afghanistan, 1989) or less than orderly fashion (think Saigon, 1975). Despite all the rhetoric, I think there is very little reason to believe that they really hate us for our freedoms. A pull back and a resumption of a George Washington type of policy (or a policy like William Lind has posited, a detachment from places of disorder) will cause the attacks against us to virtually cease (I think there's still possibility of attacks here, but the incentive would be largely removed.) Because they hate us because we're over there, once our presence is gone, they could go back to warring amongst themselves, like has happened since Christ was a corporal.
Not hearing much about the big Chinook that went down in Afghanistan today though,
#159. To: Bayonne (#154)
What's your theory?
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#160. To: Bayonne (#157)
oops, I just saw this. After seeing his behavior on 911, in the classroom, it occurred to me that he was receiving mind control messages when andy card approached him and whispered in his ear. Did you see his eyes and facial expression? It was downright eerie.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#161. To: christine (#78)
Maybe because when you fire the commanders like Gen. Shinseki who say more troops are needed, the rest of the commanders get the message. LBJ used to refuse Westmoreland's troop requests, then go on TV and say he was providing everything the military requested.
If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job.
Just ask the Axis, he knows everything.
#162. To: MUDDOG (#161)
There was a Senator (Harkin?) on ABC after the speech that stated he just came back from over there and every single General in charge over there without exception stated they needed more troops.
If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#163. To: christine (#78)
It sure didn't look that way to Bush in 1968, when he was graduating from Yale and facing the prospect of being classified 1-A for the Vietnam draft. Or Cheney, who had "other priorities than military service."
there is no higher calling than service in our Armed Forces
Just ask the Axis, he knows everything.
#164. To: MUDDOG (#163)
Or Cheney, who had "other priorities than military service." Let's not forget Rush (I got a boil on my ass) or Newt, etc etc etc
It sure didn't look that way to Bush in 1968, when he was graduating from Yale and facing the prospect of being classified 1-A for the Vietnam draft.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#165. To: MUDDOG (#163)
ah, very good point. why doesn't he send his daughters or nieces and nephews for that higher calling then?
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#166. To: justlurking (#162)
If they want to retire, they can say it in public.
every single General in charge over there without exception stated they needed more troops.
Just ask the Axis, he knows everything.
#167. To: christine (#0)
I missed the Chimperor's routine this evening because I fell asleep on the couch. From what I've read here, it sounds like Rove just did a cut and paste of the most tired sound bites. It would also seem that this little dog and pony show of his this evening met with the same enthusiasm people would have for discovering a turd in a swimming pool. I've been channel hopping all of the "news" networks, even fox, and I have not seen one clip from this speech. You can tell that the few party hacks who drew the short straw and had to go out and say how "great" this speech was seem very restrained. Most stations went back to the missing white girl of the month and/or shark attacks.
"Away with you, demon...the power of Elvis compels you!"
#168. To: christine (#0)
Who was that rotting corpse with the "R" behind his name? That guy looked and sounded drunk.
#169. To: christine (#0)
I could be mistaken, but I thought that I saw Rove peeking behind the podium. I'll leave it to you to parse that.
#170. To: justlurking, christine (#164)
It's the old routine -- Laurel and Hardy, Abbot and Costello, Lewis and Martin, the Bowery Boys, etc. -- where the smart guy tries to talk the dumb guy into being the one to do the dangerous thing by praising him and telling him how brave he is.
Let's not forget Rush (I got a boil on my ass) or Newt, etc etc etc
Just ask the Axis, he knows everything.
#171. To: christine (#0)
The President spoke tonight???? Sorry I missed that. (sarcasm) I was glued to ESPN watching the NBA Draft. I had to see where the kids in Baby Blue (UNC Tar Heels) went this evening. Scooter is going to have to reconsidet watching NBA games now that two of UNC's finest are now Charlotte Bobcats. What did I miss? (more sarcasm) I understand the terrorists are in their last throes. That we are progressing in Iraq daily. This war is important. Our cause is just. Afterall, we were attacked on 9/11 because of hatred for our precious freedoms and we can no longer sit idly by as terrorist regimes plot their next move in Iraq or any other place harboring terrorism. I am so relieved we have a great man of faith in the White House in W. I am honored he stands tall for America and does not lower himself to the vicious and venomous assaults and insults hurled at him by the America-hating left. (heavy, dripping sarcasm)
#172. To: scooter (#171)
That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. Very Good ;)
I understand the terrorists are in their last throes. That we are progressing in Iraq daily. This war is important. Our cause is just. Afterall, we were attacked on 9/11 because of hatred for our precious freedoms and we can no longer sit idly by as terrorist regimes plot their next move in Iraq or any other place harboring terrorism. I am so relieved we have a great man of faith in the White House in W. I am honored he stands tall for America and does not lower himself to the vicious and venomous assaults and insults hurled at him by the America-hating left. (heavy, dripping sarcasm)
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#173. To: orangedog (#167)
uh huh..that's pretty much what i said to historian1944, though not so eloquently, on another thread. ;) i bet few tuned in.
It would also seem that this little dog and pony show of his this evening met with the same enthusiasm people would have for discovering a turd in a swimming pool.
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#174. To: christine (#78)
Of course, the US has some experience in that area, having worked with the Iraqis in the Iran-Iraq war to provide them with targeting information for poison gas operations against the Iranians.
Third, we are working with the Iraqi Ministries of Interior and Defense to improve their capabilities to coordinate anti-terrorist operations.
Just ask the Axis, he knows everything.
#175. To: justlurking (#172)
I am especially fond of this sentence. I worked hard attempting to combine as many of the talking points as possible in one complete, coherrent statement.
Afterall, we were attacked on 9/11 because of hatred for our precious freedoms and we can no longer sit idly by as terrorist regimes plot their next move in Iraq or any other place harboring terrorism.
#176. To: scooter, rack42 (#171)
hey, maybe that was scooter and not rove. ;)
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#177. To: christine, rack42 (#176)
Maybe we are one and the same. :>) Ha!!!!!
hey, maybe that was scooter and not rove. ;)
#178. To: MUDDOG (#163)
Or Cheney, who had "other priorities than military service." All I could think of during the entire thing.. "And this guy hid in Alabama.. "
It sure didn't look that way to Bush in 1968, when he was graduating from Yale and facing the prospect of being classified 1-A for the Vietnam draft.
#179. To: Jhoffa_ (#178)
"And this guy hid in Alabama.. " I suspect more than a few of those troops were thinking the same thing.
All I could think of during the entire thing..
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#180. To: christine, rack42 (#177)
[bright red face] I love my wife very much.
Ah.... er.... Rack42, I just "got" your statement. Ah.... well....
#181. To: justlurking (#179)
I don't know if they know about it.. I don't think I've heard it mentioned a dozen times, anywhere in the MSM in the last 5 years.
#182. To: Jhoffa_, All (#181)
For those who may have missed it on the tube.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
#183. To: christine (#78)
Please. Bush as Churchill? "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
So we will fight them there ... we will fight them across the world - and we will stay in the fight until the fight is won.
Just ask the Axis, he knows everything.
#184. To: scooter (#171)
It still blows my mind that Bush said that the terrorists wanted to take away our freedom. And then a few short months later he took away some of our freedoms with The Patriot Act and by establishing the precedent that a US citizen could be held without charges in an unknown location indefinitely with no access to legal counsel. Then more by setting up the DHS, passing what is generally called Patriot II, hiring Primakov to set up national ID, etc.
Afterall, we were attacked on 9/11 because of hatred for our precious freedoms
#185. To: scooter (#180)
uh oh..maybe you better tell me? i may have inadvertently insulted you?
[bright red face] Ah.... er.... Rack42, I just "got" your statement. Ah.... well....
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#186. To: Jhoffa_ (#178)
Speaking of Cheney, let's not forget the rest of the neocon chickenhawks. I saw a list of the neocons who dodged Vietnam in one way or another and it was extensive- none of the nationally known neocons served.
#187. To: MUDDOG (#183)
who's we?
"I have sworn on the altar of Almighty God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man". - Thomas Jefferson
#188. To: Bayonne (#186)
Rummy was flight instructor on a boat for like 2 years.. Amazing.. Now he's sec def.
#189. To: christine, Rack42 (#185)
I'll leave it to you to parse that. Put your mind in the gutter! I am almost ashamed to say mine was there for a second. Think Gannon/Guckert and all the Rove rumors going around. It wasn't until I saw Rack's "peeking behind the podium" and "leaving (us) to parse that", that I understood the hidden meaning!
I could be mistaken, but I thought that I saw Rove peeking behind the podium.
#190. To: Bayonne (#184)
My mind is in a silly, sarcastic place this evening. It is one of the ways I cope with what is going on. We are a witness to one of, if not the, most destructive Presidencies in the history of this great country. What is worse in many ways, is that this White House and this complacent Congress have opened the door for so much destruction of rights and liberties of the American people for years to come. We should have taken note that almost every head of corporation George Bush has been in, he has left in worse shape, often disastorous shape than prior to his leadership. For me, it began with CFR. His breaking of his campaign promise. That was an eyeopener for this man who voted for President Bush in 2000. Then the Education Bill. No Child Left Behind. The refusal to at least "examine" offenses of the Clinton Administration. The Farm Bill. As we now know, a reduced priority in tracking terrorism. And it has ballooned from there. The White House response to the Supreme Court vs New London was that "we respect the Court's decision" or words to that effect. The Rush Limbaugh's and the Jim Robinson's of this world have pleaded for Republican Leadership in all levels of the Federal Government. They promised us we would see the wave of government encroachment of power in every facet of our lives beaten back. After little more than 4 years, we have a Federal Government in size, scope and power far greater than anything in our history. I could go on from there. This great country is being destroyed. Alex Jones is looking smarter every day when he asserts "America is being destroyed by design".
#191. To: Jhoffa_ (#188)
I think in Rummy's time and before, service in the military was seen as the foundation of a successful political career. Vietnam really changed that, and men with political ambitions even dodged the draft rather than die for the cause that was Vietnam. After Vietnam, the idea of service in the military as a foundation of a pol career ended. In today's Congress, very few have served. And the number of their children serving now is close to zero, IIRC. This says alot about the wars since WWII- the ruling classes have not believed in them enough to involve their loved ones.
#192. To: Bayonne (#191)
I agree.. Perhaps it's now so widespread that no one wants to risk political blowback by pointing this out? It's rank hypocrisy, but.. somehow it just never got the attention it deserved.
This says alot about the wars since WWII- the ruling classes have not believed in them enough to involve their loved ones.
#193. To: Bayonne (#191)
Buy The Subhumans, Pissed Off With Good Reason. This is the Canadian Subumans, not the mediocre brit Subhumanz. They put it down exactly right back in 80. The xtian nut jobs would kill us (Firing Squad) and the Factory Is Out to Get Me. They had it exactly right. Of course, they broke up when the bass player blew up a nuke plant and went to jail. Gotta give them credit, They Meant It Maaaaaaan
#194. To: scooter, Bayonne, christine, Rack42, Jhoffa_, justlurking, MUDDOG, Mekons4, Arete (#190)
Just this evening? I'm there nightly, lol. Poll appears to reflect partisan viewing Wait for it....wait....wait....here comes the sarcasm.....I find that shocking!! ;) 46 percent of speech watchers choose 'very positive' response "Many Americans did not watch the speech. Those who did were 2-to-1 Republican, so most were arguably already in the president's camp." Arguably? Is there nothing we can agree on? I would like to see a poll to find out why many Americans did not watch it. I didn't. I could only stomach a few sentences at most. I would love for that to be one of the options if someone polls me, lol. The percentage of those with a "very positive" reaction was down from the 60 percent expressing the same sentiment in a similar poll taken immediately after Bush's State of the Union speech in February. The figure also was down from the 67 percent in a similar poll who responded that way to the president's "mission accomplished" speech May 1, 2003 -- two months after the war began. That was the speech -- delivered under a banner reading "Mission Accomplished" on the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln -- in which Bush declared, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Looks to me like he needed a banner over his head during the speech tonight. Perhaps, "Mission Complicated". I might have tuned in for that, lol.
My mind is in a silly, sarcastic place this evening. It is one of the ways I cope with what is going on.
When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
#195. To: scooter (#190)
And there were plenty of fools who bought into the idea that the republocraps would incrementally turn big government back! I wrote an editorial once about about how the right is NEVER able to win the battle of incrementalism..............and the bots called me everything but white.
#196. To: Bayonne (#154)
Actually TROTSKYITE. All of this "Neo Conservatism" crap that Shrub and the rest of his ilk promote is basically Trotskyite Communism mixed with Fascism to draw the Corporations to it.
Elapidae, Micrurus fulvius 
#197. To: scooter (#190)
I couldn't agree more. I don't take Bush seriously anymore in some ways- and it frees me to look deeper into what he is doing. I didn't watch the speech- I have seen enough of bush that watching a speech won't tell me anything new. Here are some of the problems I have with Bush: I am convinced Bush is pushing an aggressive ideology of collectivism, and Americans are so conditioned by collectivism advocates in the US that we cannot even see it. Bush has presided over the Rep party as it has officially adopted collectivism as it's official ideology. The attack on individual rights Bush has conducted with the support of Congress is part of the collectivist strategy. No one except a collectivist would seek to destroy individual rights and promote group rights as Bush and Congress have. Bush's whole approach to the illegal alien crisis has been textbook Marxist. The recurring theme presented by his admin is the idea of the noble, worthy illegals and their near natural right to share in the wealth of Americans. Every Mexican is portrayed as having all positive attributes. The caricature of the hard working Mexican, working hard to support children, is religious (believes in Jesus), thankfully doing the jobs we won't do, dedicated to family values, etc. Every single negative is ignored in an attempt to con Americans into not taking their own interests into consideration when deciding whether or not to agree with the govt and their plans regarding illegals. Bush is such a Marxist that he is on the record as saying that the border should not stop a Mexican family or anyone in need from receiving required assistance from the US. We have a DUTY to share. By we I generally mean the middle class, who largely bears the brunt of illegal immigration. Again, when you look at Bush, you pick up recurring themes that belie the philosophy of the admin. By thinking thru Bush's positions on illegals, you quickly come to the conclusion that Bush violates his oath by not protecting US sov, and worse, doesn't believe in US sov at all and therefore holds the Constit in contemp and wants it scrapped ASAP. Ditto for Congress. Knowing this, Bush's other actions make sense. He even said in his speech tonight that he was protecting the minority in Iraq. This comment can be taken in a few diff ways, but knowing Bush I can tell you one of them- it's another comment supportive of collectivist ideology- the majority is, in fact, who Bush must please in Iraq if peace has any hope, yet tonight he does not say this- h goes out of his way to say the US govt specifically will protect minorities. This is a rather small issue, I admit. But I think, after watching the Bush admin and its surprisingly collectivist ideology, it is significant. It is about govt favoring groups not in the majority and ignoring the majority. If its a coincidence, it's a big one, in that it just happens to be rooted in Marxist ideology. About Bush's portrayal of the Mexs- I've been studying the Marxists- this is SOP- create a caricature of goodness for the lower class and eliminate the perception of any negatives in order to assign rights to that group which would otherwise be properly perceived by the majority as unfair and even outrageous. I have watched Bush in photo ops pushing caricatures of mexicans and ignoring all negatives to skew perception of them. Does anyone doubt that this is Marxist on it's face? And why can't we all see it for what it is? He also plays another Marxist card- a negative stance on the middle class (outsourcing, as an example)- when it comes to illegals, the welfare of the majority never enters the discussion. No one in the majority is ever portrayed as in need of anything- the assumption is always the the middle class has all it needs. Images in the media are carefully controlled. Look for this and you will notice it. Notice how the welfare of the majority NEVER enters the Bush equation? Or any of the DC crowd's equation? Notice how everything you hear in DC is about this group and that group? It's because this admin is outwardly collectivist and so is Congress. Bush's ideology of foreign revolutions to spread his groups ideology is also collectivist, it's most famous proponent being Trotsky. Bush has surrounded himself with men who idolize a communist. One could argue that a neocon coup, of sorts, has taken place under Bush. I haven't heard a better reason as to why Bush has gone collectivist on all fronts. The neocons openly venerate Trotsky and communism to this day. And they are not called on it. Since Bush has become a hard core neocon, it is reasonable to assume he has accepted at least a portion of the communist collectivist ideology. I have yet to hear any of the neos deny their commie roots. And what of the role of the media in the ascent of the neocons. From day one, the media has called the openly communist neocons "conservatives!" "For me, it began with CFR. His breaking of his campaign promise. That was an eyeopener for this man who voted for President Bush in 2000. Then the Education Bill. No Child Left Behind." CFR is typical of Bush in that it takes away power from the people and gives power to DC incumbants, who are like the elite ruling class these days. When Bush got away with the CFR lie, I knew we were in trouble. No CLB is typical of Bush collectivism I spoke of earlier. Central control of local matters, the idea that people can't solve problems in their own communities. a DC beaurocrat with pol ties is better suited to the task. NCLB was also an example of how out of control his spending would become. I disagree with you on pursuing Clinton. Enough is enough with Clinton. Part of the Clinton legacy left to us by Reps is that a BJ is criminal, yet treason is not. "They promised us we would see the wave of government encroachment of power in every facet of our lives beaten back. After little more than 4 years, we have a Federal Government in size, scope and power far greater than anything in our history" They abandoned that line years ago. Supporting Reps was made into a lesser of 2 evils game, in which supporting Reps regarding anything was good, because the Dems were more evil on every issue universally. Truly a masterful deception by the Rep party and their propagandists. By thoroughly casting the 'libruls' as evil, the enemy , and dangerous and the Reps as their diametric opposite, good, many BOTS were sworn to loyalty. But the lesser of 2 evils was brilliant in that it provided a framework in which Reps could totally screw the constituents and yet maintain viability, because no matter what, the Reps were better than the Dems. Social issues were used brilliantly in this regard, convincing voters that the Reps positions on social issues were what was really important, and the political positions and actions were less important- and no matter what should be ignored to support Rep representatives with the correct positions on social issues. Meanwhile, they all didn't even realize that politicians do not really support social, they say and support only that which advances their power. Pretty dumb group of Reps that make up the party. A group of men who surrendered all conserv principles and adopted an ideology near the opposite of conservatism... because they were told to. "Alex Jones is looking smarter every day when he asserts "America is being destroyed by design"." It all depends what you mean by destroyed. In my studies, the one consistent thing I see is the advancement of collectivist ideology and the scrapping of individualism and rights. The neocons are the collectivists that literally took over the party and now are imposing collectivism on the people in the US that have always been opposed to it, and still are. We see this domestically and foreign policy wise. Plus the individual is under assault. We haven't built a police state dwarfing that of the USSR in a few years because a few Arabs flew planes into buildings 4 years ago. Instead of destroyed, I see it as more of a coup. By a group with a collectivist ideology that knows very well how to impose their ideology to achieve the number one goal of collectivism- to allow a small group the leverage necessary to achieve a revolution of sorts and seize power- and then to dominate the majority- its what I believe is happening now, orchestrated by the neocons. The Dem collectivists, the stereotypical liberals of yesteryear, were never able to achieve what the neocons have- eliminating the resistance to collectivism known as Conservatism and Libertarianism by force. There is reason to be concerned about the future of the US because the US is officially collectivist- both collectivist parties sharing 100% power. It requires no conspiracy, just corruption of traditional American ideology over time. We have a tendency to view all revolution as violent- but that's not the way it goes. People have a hard time viewing what the neocons have accomplished as a revolution. But it is one nevertheless. The majority no longer rules. The most powerful minority does. Politician after politician for decades sold out traditional American govt. In a collectivist system, the majority is continually attacked. In the US, the majority will be attacked continually- as it has been. So we will all be out here on the internet complaining for some time. I think the idea of collectivist ideology eclipsing that exemplified by the founding principles is the most important issue today. Over the last few months I studied the history of collectivism and what groups have traditionally used it. I studied the actual nature of it, and found it was one of the root causes of our probs in the US. I recommend that everyone carefully study collectivism and then look at the current situation in the US. Doing this allowed me to identify collectivism as a common cause of many of our problems. To understand why the founding principles are being trashed, study collectivism. When collectivism is the prevailing ideology, as in the US today, there is constant pressure against individual rights, sovereignty and freedom. We must all find out why it is happening before solutions can be proposed and action taken.
#198. To: Jhoffa_ (#192)
I think we are way beyond politicians being asked why their kids aren't enlisted. We're an Empire now, and we are seriously considering the use of mercenaries in our military. Actually, In Iraq, over 10,000 'contractors' are being employed. Many providing services that were traditionally provided by the military. I was shocked to hear in 2003 that private contractors were guarding military bases in Iraq. That was quite a surprise. The old scenario of troops guarding fellow troops in shifts was core to my conception of the military. The question to me then became, if troops are not doing what troops 'do' any longer, then what are they doing? Perhaps our troops no longer functioning as troops is a sign that the military is being used for the wrong reasons. Definitely a sign of empire. The idea of the US govt hiring mercenaries was brought up a few weeks ago, and didn't cause much of a stir.
#199. To: scooter (#171)
Yes, they really hate those "freedoms" of ours to have our guns grabbed, our homes grabbed, our computers run on Micro$oft monopolyware ONLY (The SCO suits), to be forced onto taking a national ID card as a "driver's license" and have our kids psychologically "screened" and doped up with meds that would put an Aussie IINLAND TAIPAN to shame. Yes, they hate us for our "freedom".
Elapidae, Micrurus fulvius
#200. To: markm0722 (#194)
Arguably? Is there nothing we can agree on? I would like to see a poll to find out why many Americans did not watch it. That is an interesting point. It seems that doing a pseudo analysis of 'those who watched it' is considered important. And so is ignoring the group that chose not to watch it and thus avoiding the dreaded concept of REAL OPPOSITION to the PTB. The real opposition to the PTB is always hidden so that it cannot grow and present a problem. For example, regarding the war, opponents were presented as Dems who would have gotten France on board or would have gotten UN approval. Who would have planned for the aftermath. Real opposition from the principled left and right were kept from the MSM. Allowable dissent on the war issue was generally portrayed as the range of opinions of the two parties taken collectively. When the media 'analyzes' the people that are supposedly interested in a debate as important as tonight's was portrayed, we must realize that the media serves the interests of the 2 pol parties, which together control just below 100% of all pol power in DC, first and foremost. In doing so, the media has shown a tendency to support the collective power of the parties as a sort of golden rule. Which makes sense since 2 parties wield all the power in the nation and have huge offices to deal with the media. The media will not cover an issue in a way that supports true opposition to the parties taken collectively. So, the media would not be inclined to do a real analysis of those who chose not to watch Bush for principled reasons. Plus, these people have been demonized as K0oks and extremists- dangerous liberals and militia members, repectively. LOL No, the media covered it in a 'safe' way, by quickly writing of those who would not watch it as irrelevant. Which is true in a way- in the 2 party dichotomy- in our system, you choose A, the opp of B... or you choose B, the opp of A. If you refuse, you are excluded from the pol process. I try to ignore most polling in general, because it is done mainly to influence opinion and perhaps to even control individuals. Polling encourages men to not think rationally as individuals about issues that affect them, but rather to go with herds. Many people who are leaning a certain way but have not thought about an issue can be effectively convinced to stop thinking and just go in the direction he was leaning, or the direction which propaganda was leading him to adopt. A great example of how polls can be used against Americans can be found in the last election. All of the polls involved a limited range of pol thought, which was basically approved by both parties, encompassing the sum of their positions. This served to control voters to stay within limits regarding their positions- approved of by the 2 parties. More insidiously, the constant polling daily regarding only the D and R candidates, reinforced the idea to Americans that there were only 2 choices for President. D or R. The power of this could be seen on FR, LP and DU type sites, where almost every poster would rant endlessly that there were only 2 choices in the election. Part of their conviction comes from the media, and polls, which constantly portray the entire range of pol thought as the combo of D and R party positions. In the minds of MSM viewers, parties like the Con Party and the Libs might as well not have existed. They were almost eliminated from viewer consciousness. Polls are also dangerous because they turn issues into games involving numbers. The importance of an issue become what % it garners or doesn't. There is a dangerous equivalence drawn- by design- the most important issues to the country and the least are both portrayed as equal, being just a matter of %'s. Americans see important issues blown off using polls and think they have been addressed- after all, the polling involves peoples' opinions. Polls simulate a free exchange of ideas on an issue, but are, in fact, tightly controlled. The outcomes used to control individuals. It is no coincidence that as our system becomes less free, polls are increasingly used and portrayed as free people freely making decisions on subjects.
"Many Americans did not watch the speech. Those who did were 2-to-1 Republican, so most were arguably already in the president's camp."
#201. To: Coral Snake (#196)
Bottom line is that these men are collectivists, and have had the US system in their sights for years. The Rep party all but announced it had changed ideologies to communism- thru their actions domestically and FP wise, rhetoric and positioning of Trotsky-ites as the party leaders who set the agenda for the party- and thru puppet Bush the agenda of the nation. They even declared that those who identified as real conservatives were not welcome and were k0oks. They seized control of the Rep party and the fed govt itself directly. Whereas the Dem communists had tried indirect methods that failed over the years. I have to admire how bold these men were. When I heard they identified as communist revolutionaries, I assumed they were some egghead libs from the college scene of the 70's. But they were very serious in their plans for revolution and were serious collectivists in that they were a small group that leveraged power to gain effective control of the majority- or IOW, they staged nothing less than a revolution, of sorts, in Am politics.
Actually TROTSKYITE. All of this "Neo Conservatism" crap that Shrub and the rest of his ilk promote is basically Trotskyite Communism mixed with Fascism to draw the Corporations to it.
#202. To: Coral Snake (#199)
This is how serious the situation is. These people are seeking to basically enslave Americans as individuals. They are collectivists. It's what they do. I watch in awe as the situation continues to worsen, and no one is speaking up about what is going on. The collectivist ideology has replaced the founding principles. The Con is truly dead. The Rep party adopted collectivism as its official ideology a few years ago, joining the Dem. The US version of Socialist Democracy is under construction. Both Dems and Reps have effectively trashed our Con. As I pointed out in an earlier post, both parties support collectivism in every way I could discern. I knew it was all over for individual rights and freedom (the era of the individual) when the Rep Party adopted PC, cultural Marxism, as their official policy- traditionally Libertarian positions on the individual that did not recognize 'group rights' were no longer acceptable. They started playing the race card- Great example- Hannity- uses the race card all the time as though it was not considered anti freedom just a few short years ago by Rep Party. The Rep party also adopted multiculturalism and diversity, more or less officially. These philopophies have 1 thing in common- they are collectivist and attack the majority to benefit minority groups given special status and treatment by govt.
Yes, they really hate those "freedoms" of ours to have our guns grabbed, our homes grabbed, our computers run on Micro$oft monopolyware ONLY (The SCO suits), to be forced onto taking a national ID card as a "driver's license" and have our kids psychologically "screened" and doped up with meds that would put an Aussie IINLAND TAIPAN to shame.
#203. To: rowdee (#195)
I wrote an editorial once about about how the right is NEVER able to win the battle of incrementalism..............and the bots called me everything but white. Both parties seem to believe in a State as large as possible. it's not about how much taxpayer money they can come up with anymore, its about that plus how much they can get away with borrowing. Most of the BOTS dropped the argument that Reps would roll back the size of govt, but unbelievably, despite all the evidence provided by the admin during the 1st term and the fact that the RNC had not made a single statement about cutting the size of govt, some BOTS insisted that Bush was actually biding his time, and would make a big move to cut govt when he had sufficient power to do so in his 2nd term. LOL The Reps went to a lesser of 2 evils argument at this time, convincing voters that no matter what, the Dems would be worse. All the BOTS fell into line- instead of holding politicians responsible and demanding smaller govt- or else they would not be reelcted. Americans have such low expectations about politicians that, to Rep constituents, holding the pols responsible and threatening them to do the right thing was sadly not even considered to be an option. They bought into the RNC generated lesser of 2 evils argument, which stated that voters had to vote against Dems and 4 Reps. 3rd party was the same choice as dems. The Reps drew on their propaganda delivered over the last 4 years to close the deal with voters. Propagandists like Hannity and Lush had portrayed the libs as nothing short of evil, and had nothing good to say about the Reps, so just portrayed them as the opposite of the evil libs- just good. I'll never forget the whackjob true believers on LP like Mark Felton, raving about the importance of selecting good and stopping evil from destroying the US. Funny stuff. I think the incrementalism argument had some merit in the 80's and early 90's, but definitely not since then. As we have seen with the Bush admin, the Rep Party is as collectivist as the Dems, even moreso when comparing Clinton to Bush.
And there were plenty of fools who bought into the idea that the republocraps would incrementally turn big government back!
#204. To: Bayonne (#203)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before. - Mae West It didn't work. We're stuck with the same one, lol.
The Reps went to a lesser of 2 evils argument at this time, convincing voters that no matter what, the Dems would be worse.
When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
#205. To: markm0722 (#204)
That argument was made to the BOTS at the time. It was proven to them that voting for Bush and other Reps would result in the same situation... best case scenario. On the other hand, Bush could be even more dangerous as a lame duck not beholden to voters. After watching him in his 1st term, when he acted as the anticonservative after campaigning in 2000 as more or less a conservative, anything seemed possible. But the BOTS could not be swayed that the only choice was to oppose Bush, because voting for Bush guaranteed more evil. They compared Bush against their perception of kerry and liberals in general, that was more a product of Lush/Hannity propaganda and demonization than it was reality. The dichotomy factor was in full efect, where they were convinced that Reps are good, Dems are evil, and the situation is desperate- only voting for Bush can save us. I still laugh when I look back at how ridiculous their fear of 'libruls' was. Dupes, one and all. The Reps convinced the dupes that they had no choice to change anything. Pressuring Rep pols to change policies so that they were more conservative was never even consisidered by the dupes. Instead, they begged for more of the same as if they were gaining something by the Reps not changing at all and being reelected regardless. The Republican leadership has truly been brilliant when it comes to using constituents without doing anything in return. They play their people like violins. Light years ahead of the Dems.
It didn't work. We're stuck with the same one, lol.
#206. To: Bayonne, robin (#205)
Fake applause? Fox News..DU.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
#207. To: christine, all (#0)
I wanted to watch it last night but something was wrong with either my cable or the tuner on my TV. I couldn't find the speech because for some odd reason "The Animal Planet" came on about 15 channels at once which is very unusual. It was something about Chimpanzies at the Washington Zoo and it didn't interest me so I watched the Yankees vs Orioles ball game. At least the announcer and commentator could speak coherent English.
Press 1 for English---Press 2 for Jibberish
#208. To: Grumble Jones (#207)
I didn't see his speech, either. I did see some reporting about a blond American girl missing in Jamacia or somewhere. Anyway and from what I've read, Bush's speech was the same one he gave three years ago. Nothing new.
I wanted to watch it last night but something was wrong with either my cable or the tuner on my TV.
If you love America, you'll hate Israel.
#209. To: Eoghan (#206)
I listen on KNX radio on the way home. Although slightly distracted by driving, I believe I heard only ONE applause, towards the end, and it was rather weak.
“We’re making enemies faster than we can kill them.”
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