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Title: Obama Race Speech: The Full Text
Source: Huff Po
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Published: Mar 18, 2008
Author: Barack Obama
Post Date: 2008-03-18 11:13:50 by ghostdogtxn
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#103. To: FOH, leveller (#98)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: aristeides (#101)

Obama takes a more Christian view of other people's problems.

Yes he does.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: aristeides (#101)

Obama takes a more Christian view of other people's problems.

LOLOL!!!!!

Why Jesus would not vote for Barack Obama


Posted: July 19, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com



In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that "right-wing politicians" had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls.

Michelle called partial-birth abortion "a legitimate medical procedure," and wouldn't supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to stop it?

But that's not why Obama's opponent Alan Keyes said Jesus Christ wouldn't vote for him.

Obama recalled Keyes' statement in a recent USA Today opinion piece but omitted his reasoning.

I know his reasoning, because I was there.

As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide.

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother's right to "choose" stopped at her baby's delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member.

Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women's rights or abortionists' rights. Obama's clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.

In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.

(As chair of that same committee, Obama once abruptly ended a hearing early, right before Scott and Janet Willis, the parents of six children killed as a result of Illinois' drivers licenses for bribes scandal, were to testify in favor of Choose Life license plate legislation. I was there for that one, too. The Willises had traveled three hours. Reporters filled the room. Obama stalled. He later killed the bill when no one was around.)

So, the reason Keyes said Jesus Christ wouldn't vote for Barack Obama was because of Obama's fanatical support of abortion to the point of condoning infanticide.

I have framed on my wall a Chicago Sun-Times cartoon published during the campaign. Obama is holding a sign with "LIVE BIRTH ABORTION" on it. God is reaching down from heaven to a baby in front of Obama, and the baby is reaching up to God. Obama is yelling at God, "You keep out of this!"


In his USA Today opinion piece, Obama admitted being "nagged" by the Jesus-wouldn't-vote-for-him statement, but only because he wished he'd given a different comeback.

Obama insinuated opposition to abortion is based only on religion, lecturing pro-lifers like me to "explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all."

I don't recall mentioning religion when I testified against live-birth abortion. I only recall describing a live aborted baby I held in a hospital soiled utility room until he died, and a live aborted baby who was accidentally thrown into the trash.

Neither do I recall religion being brought into the partial-birth abortion ban debate. I recall comparisons made to U.S. laws ensuring animals being killed are treated humanely. I recall testimony that late-term babies feel excruciating pain while being aborted.

Obama stated pro-life proposals must be "amenable to reason."

OK, Sen. Obama, let's reason. Explain why you support abortion for whatever rationale, at whatever gestation, by whatever means. Explain why you support infanticide, if banning it might interfere with abortion.

Then, since you brought it up, explain how, despite all that, you think Jesus should vote for you, either now or in the hereafter, particularly given His statement, "It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck than to face the punishment in store for harming one of these little ones."

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:42:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: robin (#104)

Obama takes a more Christian view of other people's problems.

Yes he does.

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Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: robin (#104)

In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that "right-wing politicians" had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls.

Michelle called partial-birth abortion "a legitimate medical procedure," and wouldn't supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to stop it?

WWJA? Who Would Jesus Abort?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: FOH (#102)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: FOH (#106)

If Hillary or McCain are elected, bringing their decades corrupt and/or warmongering presidencies to power, just remember you could have voted for Obama.

In your dream world, do you actually believe someone who is NOT CFR could ever be elected?

If there is a "sucker" on this thread, it is you.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: ghostdogtxn (#108) (Edited)

So now you're going to shill for the One World Monopolists...I'm not surprised.

Our last hope for peace
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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: ghostdogtxn (#108)

It's always possible that Obama is using the CFR as much as they intend to use him, you know.

I almost posted this, but was afraid I might give the game away. ;p

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: robin (#109)

Do you ever just take a step back and listen to yourself, then take the time to think about what you've said?

You're admitting you're playing a crooked game but somehow you honestly believe you are going to straighten out the outcome from the outside of rigged machine.

Maybe you're just not as bright as I pegged you before...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: FOH (#110)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: FOH, robin (#112)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: FOH (#112)

Amd you think NOT voting for the candidate who will very likely do the least damage is better?

That's not very bright.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: ghostdogtxn, FOH (#114)

If somebody were deliberately trying to stir up animosities on this site and at the same time post things on it that could be used to discredit it, it would be hard to do a better job of it than FOH is doing.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: ghostdogtxn (#93)

Because either HRC will steal the nomination at the convention or they'll put a bullet in Obama before/after he gets it. In either event you're going to see riots that'll make the Rodney King deal look small-time, a possible declaration of martial law, possible rule by presidential decree under emergency powers, and major, major incursions of the ancient Chinese curse.

very plausible that this is the reason for BO's candidacy...

christine  posted on  2008-03-18   14:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: robin, ghostdogtxn (#111)

It's always possible that Obama is using the CFR as much as they intend to use him, you know.

I almost posted this, but was afraid I might give the game away. ;p

A CONSPIRACY INSIDE A CONSPIRACY! THAT'S IT!! /s

LOLOL!!!!!!

Obama's main advisor--New World Order promotor Brezinski

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:57:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: robin, FOH (#111)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: aristeides (#116)

If somebody were deliberately trying to stir up animosities on this site and at the same time post things on it that could be used to discredit it, it would be hard to do a better job of it than FOH is doing.

Yeah, I don't understand why ALL of this site doesn't just flip from Ron Paul, patriot-anti-Establishment-candidate to one of the 3 OWM puppets.

You really are transparent and shallow there ari...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: ghostdogtxn (#119)

Well, I was very much encouraged by the Jewish media attacks on him a couple of weeks ago. I also find it encouraging that the lefty Zionist Jews, like Alex Bennett, Lynn Samuels, etc, etc, hate Obama. It goes without saying that the righty Zionists hate him. I think it goes beyond the typical Jewish disdain for Shwartzes, and speaks of a real insecurity about the sincerity of his fealty oaths to Israel. After all, if anyone knows insincerity, it's the Zionists.

lol, all true - it's a fine line he must walk

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   15:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: aristeides, FOH (#116)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   15:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: ghostdogtxn, christine (#119)

So I'll support him (Obama) for now, given my lack of other choices.

ghostdogtxn = OWM Barrack Hussein Obama Supporter

I guess everyone just likes playing the game, eh Chris?

Sick.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: christine (#117)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   15:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: FOH (#120)

Another example of stirring up animosities.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   15:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: FOH (#118)

You prefer Henry Kissinger? ZBig was Carter's foreign policy adviser, there are far worse choices.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
Brzezinski also became a leading critic of the Bush administration's "war on terror." Some painted him as a neoconservative because of his links to Paul Wolfowitz and his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard. Brzezinski wrote The Choice in 2004 which expanded upon The Grand Chessboard but sharply criticized the Bush administration's foreign policy. He has defended the paper The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. He has been outspoken in his criticism of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the subsequent conduct of the war.

Who would you pick?

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   15:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: aristeides (#125)

Another example of stirring up animosities.

You're a classic worker's party Communist stain.

I'll stand by that until I can't stand anymore.

You've got a nice little group of useful idiots formed up here on 4um, ari.

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine, lodwick (#117)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   15:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: robin (#126)

Different sides of the same ass, both joined by the hole in the middle.

Don't you worry yourself though, you're doing something very important.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: aristeides, FOH (#125)

Another example of stirring up animosities.

Or living in a dream world where Ron Paul gets elected President.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   15:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: FOH (#127)

You're a classic worker's party Communist stain.

An interesting charge to make against someone who voted for Buchanan in 2000.

But perhaps to be expected from someone who wants to stir up trouble.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   15:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: FOH (#123)

don't fret, FOH. their votes aren't counted anyway. ;)

christine  posted on  2008-03-18   15:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: robin, FOH (#130)

Or living in a dream world where Ron Paul gets elected President.

FOH's loyalty to Ron Paul, such as it was, was severely shaken when I pointed out that Ron Paul and Kucinich are friends.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   15:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: robin (#130)

Or living in a dream world where Ron Paul gets elected President.

Don't worry, I've already lost all respect I had for you.

You went from supporting the anti-establishment to joining the establishment.

Sucker.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

This is a very good speech, but it has the typical Obama signature to it.

So...what to do now?

Invariably, Obama leaves that out.

I'll refrain from commenting further.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-03-18   15:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: FOH, aristeides, christine, robin (#123)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   15:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: aristeides (#133)

FOH's loyalty to Ron Paul, such as it was, was severely shaken when I pointed out that Ron Paul and Kucinich are friends.

Wrong, not because they're friends.

Rather, because Kucinich is a Commie Fruit Loop that hit a couple notes just right but still had no place even being considered on a ticket with Ron Paul...you know that, though.

I have friends that are bigger losers, politically speaking, than you or Dennis K combined, ari.

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: ghostdogtxn (#136)

You went from Ron Paul to Obama.

You have no credibility left...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: mirage (#135)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   15:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: christine (#132)

don't fret, FOH. their votes aren't counted anyway. ;)

I'm not fretting, I'm just wondering how many RP supporters are really smart enough to be part of the solution...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   15:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: ghostdogtxn (#139)

I read platforms to decide who I vote for; rhetoric and charisma carry zero weight here. If what is under the hood is undesirable, it doesn't get my vote, regardless of what else is going on.

So far, no Democrat has a platform that I would vote for.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-03-18   15:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: FOH, aristeides, robin, christine, lodwick, all (#138)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   15:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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