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Title: Obama Race Speech: The Full Text
Source: Huff Po
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Published: Mar 18, 2008
Author: Barack Obama
Post Date: 2008-03-18 11:13:50 by ghostdogtxn
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#57. To: robin (#52)

Did you get sucked in by the last chimperor, too?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   13:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: ghostdogtxn (#55)

I agree. Unfortunately, as we can see here, it won't sway those who have already made up their minds about race and politics.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   13:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: WhiteGuy (#26)

Both are cultural issues and will never be changed by any government.

It's not easy to change culture through law. But a president can influence it by using his bully pulpit.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   13:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: FOH (#57)

In 2000, I considered Gore another Clinton. But in '04 I voted Constitution Party. I might have voted for Kerry, but CA was clearly going his way.

Bush/Cheney have been the most evil monsters in our nation's history.

A McCain presidency will be another Cheney presidency.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   13:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: robin (#58)

RACE and POLITICS!????

My God you are SUCKER!!!!!

If I hadn't watched all of this unfold with my own eyes (transformation from Ron Paul supporters into Black Panther Marxist CFR supporters) I would have difficulty believing it.

Unreal

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What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   13:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Arete (#54)

I hate political speeches but I forced myself to listen to the entire speech. My opinion? It was a blockbuster.

agree...and i will give credit where credit is due.

christine  posted on  2008-03-18   13:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#60)

If you can vote for a Skull and Bones, One World Monopolist, Council on Foreign Relations quisling, you're capable of anything...sad.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FOH (#61)

Both are grassroots campaigns, with a lot of support from young people. IMO, Obama is more out of the establishment (I know about CFR), than the other two possibilities.

So who will you be voting for? One of the candidates who has no chance of winning?

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FOH (#63)

I'm a realist, and I see no value in allowing others to elect Hillary or McCain.

They are far worse than Obama, IMO.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: robin (#64)

VOTE FOR THE WINNNER argument next!?

LOLOL

Do you even listen to yourself????

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Arete (#54)

It was a blockbuster.

It was, and hopefully it will help him win the nomination over Hillary. He will have a tough fight with the corrupt warmonger, McCain.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: robin (#65)

They are far worse than Obama, IMO.

You're one of, if not THE, biggest sucker I've encountered on this or any forum that support(ed) Ron Paul...that's saying a LOT.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: robin (#67)

McNuts is a warmonger but the CFR-D people aren't!?

THIS IS TOO GOOD!!!!

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: robin (#65)

I'm a realist

You're a lot of things, realist not being one of them...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: aristeides (#59)

It's not easy to change culture through law. But a president can influence it by using his bully pulpit.

Perhaps, but even if we all agree that cultural change is possible with the right leadership and a true desire for evolution, this issue in this presidential race is still only a diversion.

This is just my perspective.

Resist!

WhiteGuy  posted on  2008-03-18   14:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FOH (#63)

If you can vote for a Skull and Bones, One World Monopolist, Council on Foreign Relations quisling, you're capable of anything...sad.

Your description fits Bush II and Kerry (not Obama, by the way, as he never attended Yale, and thus had no opportunity to join Skull & Bones).

So you would appear to be describing almost everybody who voted in the 2004 election.

As someone who voted for Nader (also not Skull & Bones) in '04, let me say, I think you're being unfair to 99% of the American electorate. (I didn't vote for a Skull & Bones candidate in 2000 either, as I voted for Buchanan that year.)

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: FOH (#66)

That's not what I posted. I guess you did not really read what I posted.

I said I do not want Hillary or McCain; especially McCain. He will be worse than Cheney (according to Pat Buchanan).

Voting for Obama is our best chance, far from perfect, but far better than Hillary or McCain. Voting for Ron Paul at this point, is pointless (unless you just want to make what will end up a meaningless statement).

I voted for Ron Paul in the CA primary, there was some hope then.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: robin (#58)

for me it's not about race at all. it's about establishment selections and, i don't think one can argue that Obama is not. he's CFR.

christine  posted on  2008-03-18   14:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: FOH (#68)

You make rude statements w/o any supporting evidence. Obama is not in any way as corrupted as Hillary and McCain. Nor is he a war monger.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FOH (#68)

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should've been authorized and never should've been waged, and we want to talk about how we'll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.

Are those the words of a warmonger?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: christine (#74)

I'm aware he is CFR, and stated so on this thread. But Hillary and McCain are also corrupt. McCain is an insane warmonger.

McCain was part of the Keating Five. He is completely bought by lobbyists of every kind.

He just helped a foreign country take away a huge Airbus contract from Americans.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: FOH (#70)

Again, another statement lacking any supporting evidence, just more rude words.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FOH (#69)

They all belong to CFR.

McCain is by far the most warmongering (and proud of it).

McCain was part of the Keating Five, he is in bed with every lobbyist in town (he even sleeps with them - literally), he gives huge contracts to foreign nations - stealing them from unemployed/bankrupt Americans.

You live in a dream world, where voting for a 3rd party at this point in time, has some meaning.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-18   14:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: aristeides (#72) (Edited)

Obama and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations Member)

The 2004 Democratic National Convention may be remembered most for a young and energetic senator that immediately drew comparison to the Kennedys. Obama's speech launched his name and image into the public spotlight, and his fresh style of rhetoric filled a growing anti-war political void – He voted against the Iraq war and wasn't afraid to criticize it's handling. Excitement and support for the senator eventually snowballed into his current presidential campaign. He enjoys a popular image as a liberal democrat, and his harsh criticism of the Iraq war has earned him support from a population united in it's discontent with the current government. To a select crowd of Americans, Obama preaches against the handling of the Iraq war. To other more private groups, Obama advocates military strikes on new middle eastern countries. Obama has aligned himself with several lobbying firms and nongovernmental organizations who seek further US militarization of the world. In several speeches and essays, Obama makes his foreign policy goals clear – and he is not anti-war. Is Obama intentionally sending a deceptive message to his constituency?

In a recent speech given to the American Israeli Political Action Committee, Obama outlines a plan for U.S. hegemony. He suggests polarizing political alignments that are already breeding anti-U.S. sentiment. Specifically, Obama pledges unfaltering military support to Israel. The U.S. has long supported Israel – this year they were given $30 billion for defense of the young state. To put this in perspective, less than $7 billion has been federally granted to rebuild homes destroyed after hurricane Katrina. Although the U.S. has always given billions in aid to Israel, his alliance backs preemptive strikes against countries deemed a threat. Israel is unpopular in the region, and is threatened by Iran's desire for modern nuclear energy in the future. Regarding Iran's nuclear program, Obama states “We should take no option, including military action, off the table”. The US has already constructed massive permanent military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan to serve as hubs for such an operation. The fleet of aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf continues to grow, while politicians and media simultaneously hype a nonexistent enemy. This reckless policy leaves the U.S. on the brink of full scale war at all times.

Obama differed from many of his peers by admitting the Iraq war was heavily motivated by Iraq's oil reserves. Iran's oilfields, and the military buildup of the Persian Gulf creates and incentive for military action. It has been questioned if the U.S. military even has the capability of securing the strategic oil reserve. Iran has some of the most lucrative oilfields in the region, and provides energy to Asia and Europe. International economies would be disenfranchised with the US military disruption of its energy supplies. Meddling in other countries' foreign affairs has spurred backlash against the U.S. This phenomenon is referred to as “blowback”, or, the consequences from provoking actions. Ignoring this cause and effect, Obama advocates troops in Iraq be redeployed to Pakistan and Afghanistan to fight amorphous groups of “terrorists”. Regarding the war on terror, Obama differs from his colleagues in that he does not believe nuclear weapons should be used – a small concession for an ambitious military operation. This policy still backs preemptive strikes and the further militarization of the middle east, all at the expense of US resources.

Obama outlines his ambitious geopolitical plans in a recent essay for Foreign Affairs magazine. Foreign Affairs is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, which describes itself as a non-partisan group of which he is a member. Established in the 1920's and headquartered in New York, its membership includes prominent politicians and business elite, including heads of academia and media. The organization seeks to centralize both political power and market power to craft legislation outside the checks and balances of democracy. The CFR is rarely mentioned by the mainstream media, making it difficult to fully gauge its influence. When it is mentioned in the press, it is likely whitewashed as trivial or irrelevant. Notable members of the CFR include:

Dick Cheney

John Kerry

Bill Clinton

Al Gore

Ronald Reagan (Honorary)

George H. W. Bush

Gerald Ford

Richard Nixon

John, David & Nelson Rockefeller

Condolezza Rice

Paul Wolfowitz

Alan Greenspan

Colon Powell

Henry Kissinger

Angelina Jolie (Yes, the actress has a five year term membership as an ambassador)

Its membership list is a who's who of Washington and Wall St. elite going back nearly a century. It should not be surprising that most presidential candidates in the 2008 election are CFR members. Candidates do not advertise their CFR membership to the public. They pose as “liberals” and “conservatives” to control all aspects of the debate. The CFR has stacked the deck for the 2008 election with several members in the race from both sides of the isle:

Democrat CFR Candidates:

Barack Obama

Hillary Clinton

John Edwards

Chris Dodd

Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Candidates:

Mitt Romney

Rudy Giuliani

John McCain

Fred Thompson

Newt Gingrich

The mainstream media's self-proclaimed “top tier” candidates are united in their CFR membership, while an unwitting public perceives political diversity. The unwitting public has been conditioned to instinctively deny such a mass deception could ever be hidden in plain view. Presidential Candidate & Congressman Ron Paul is the only “top tier” candidate who is not a member of the CFR.

Although many politicians hold membership, It must be noted that the Council on Foreign Relations is a non-governmental organization. The CFR's membership is a union of politicians, bankers, and scholars, with several large businesses holding additional corporate memberships. Corporate members include:

Halliburton of Dubai

British Petroleum

Dutch Royal Shell

Exxon Mobile

General Electric (NBC)

Chevron

Lockheed Martin

Merck Pharmaceuticals

News Corp (FOX)

Bloomberg

IBM

Time Warner

JP Morgan/ Chase Manhattan

& several other major financial institutions

Members are united in their interventionist intentions with the goal of a consolidated global governance. The CFR's mission is to influence policy through the reach of its members and publications. Those who study the CFR ideology are recruited and cultured for membership. The best and brightest university students are taught to propagate the CFR model. Individuals who both subscribe to the CFR ideology and can bring an element of capital (political status, business influence, money) to the group will be given membership. Members meet at the CFR headquarters in Manhattan and Washington DC, and round-table style discussions are held for its membership to discuss foreign affairs and make recommendations on policy. The CFR often creates “task forces” to report “findings and policy prescriptions” (cfr.org) for specific current world events, and also publishes the periodical Foreign Affairs magazine. CFR authors are often found in mainstream media publications. In a recent issue of TIME magazine, one CFR member writes: “The US should make (Pakistani President & US intelligence asset) Musharraf the best dictator he can be”. Another author, this time in Newsweek magazine objectively argues to the readers that the world really isn't all that bad in an article titled “Don't Worry, Be Happy”. Currently, the front page of CFR.org features essays on European anti-terrorism measures, radical Iranians, and the reemergence of the nuclear threat (CFR members in government control the nuclear football). Many prominent publications are influenced and controlled by the CFR:

Time

Newsweek

US News & World Report

Atlantic Monthly

Forbes

& several major publishing houses

Members of the CFR in the media intend to inject it's pro-globalist arguments into the mainstream consciousness. Although the CFR is self-described as a non-partisan association, it unabashedly promotes a one-world-government agenda without regard for US sovereignty or the desires of the American people.

The goals of the CFR is best described by its very own members. Bill Clinton's Georgetown mentor and CFR member Carroll Quigley states: “The Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of a society which originated in England... (and) ...believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one world rule established.”. Quigley differs from many of his CFR colleagues in that he believes their plan for a new world order should be more publicly disclosed. In his book Tragedy and Hope, Quigley concedes he is unique among his peers in that he believes the new world order plan of global government's “role in history is significant enough to be known”. Quigley also admits that the two-party system allows for both groups to be controlled at the highest level but operate like bitter rivals. As Quigley says, this gives the voters the chance to “throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound of extreme shifts in policy.”. Controlling Washington elite allowed private central banks to “dominate the political system... ...and economy of world as a whole” and implement a new system of “feudalist fashion” through “secret agreements”. Although he believes the CFR's intentions should be more public, Quigley understands the average person doesn't understand feudalism or serfdom and will never read his book.

Surprisingly, many of its own members admit the CFR goal is to subvert the democratic process. CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the US Navy Admiral Chester Ward writes “The main purpose of the (CFR) is promoting the disarmament of US sovereignty and national dependence and submergence into and all powerful, one world government.”. This high ranking military officer went on to explain their procedures for influencing policy, claiming: “Once the ruling members of the CFR shadow government have decided that the US government should adopt a particular policy, the very substantial research facilities of the CFR are put to work to develop arguments, intellectual and emotional, to support the new policy and to confound and discredit, intellectually and politically, any opposition.”.

The CFR's strategy is also being used to promote world government as well as the new environmental agenda. Obama and most candidates have made the environment a major issue in the policy. The CFR has long suggested a global tax, specifically identifying the environmental movement as a means for its advancement. All CFR candidates align themselves with the position that the government has both the ability and responsibility to maintain the world's environment. Good intentioned individuals may genuinely seek environmental protection, but nongovernmental organizations are quickly capitalizing on land acquisitions and taxes in the name of global warming. While most scientist agree the planet earth is undergoing a degree of climactic change, the CFR admits the environmental argument will be used to erode national sovereignty and build up their global authority. Proposed “Carbon Taxes” place carbon expenditure ratings on mundane human activities. Contrary to popular misconceptions, CO2 is by no means a pollutant. As an essential gas for life, plants thrive on increased levels of CO2 which in turn they produce higher levels of oxygen. Furthermore, carbon based life forms emit carbon to the atmosphere, hence a “Carbon Tax” is a tariff for doing nothing but maintaining life. A popular movement lead by the CFR's own Al Gore would have you believe CO2 is the root cause of environmental woes while ignoring real industrial pollution in developing countries. There are serious environmental problems that are ignored in favor of issues that can be used to tax the broad population.

Environmental protection has already lead countries to willingly surrender control of natural resources. The US has ceded control of natural resources to the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) in a land grab under the guise of environmental protection. UNESCO is part of the United Nations, an organization controlled by many CFR members like permanent US ambassador John Bolton. The CFR's President Richard N. Haass boldly admits “Some governments are prepared to give up elements of sovereignty to address the threat of global climate change.”. He adds that this “Globalisation thus implies that sovereignty... ...needs to become weaker.”. While it is important to be conscious of humans' effects on the earth, nongovernmental organizations like the CFR see an opportunity to redistribute wealth through selective enforcement targeting the US. The CFR openly states its intentions of using the environmental movement and other emotional arguments to build up global authority and undermine US sovereignty.

The CFR backs other programs that promote regional governments. Another ambitious goal of the CFR is the implementation of regional unions under the control of a central world government. World leaders are moving towards a regional partnership of North America consisting of Canada, the US, and Mexico. In 2005, the CFR released a report titled “Building an American Community” which sought to eliminate borders between the three North American countries. One part of the plan called for decreasing government control of cross-border traffic in an effort to dissolve national borders. Robert Pastor, a vice chairman of the task force that released “Building a North American Community”, names the “Amero” as a hypothetical unified North American currency similar to the Euro. Carried out with precision, the private, run-for-profit federal reserve bank has massively devalued the US dollar, allowing foreign corporations to buy up US resources for literal pennies on the dollar.

The European Union is a similar model to the North American partnership. The EU was hugely opposed by Europeans, and took a half century for the complicit European power elites to fully implement the union. During his time as Prime Minister, Tony Blair tried several times for the United Kingdom's adoption of the unpopular EU constitution that was also staunchly rejected by French and Dutch voters. The current Prime Minister Gordon Brown continues to advance a similar constitution under a new name. Like the EU, American countries would keep their governmental infrastructure but all policy would be superseded by a regional constitution.

Already in place in North America is the Security and Prosperity Partnership (spp.gov) established in a meeting between Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin. The SPP consolidates protection of the North American Union by establishing a security perimeter extending north of Canada to the Mexican/ Guatemalan border. This measure was authorized under Bush's ambiguous executive authority, thus avoiding any congressional input or oversight. It is a precursor to a trilateral authority between the three North American economies.

A similar measure to the SPP in the establishment of a unified North American region is the NAFTA “Superhighway” which eliminates border restrictions on shipping, allowing imported goods destined for the US to arrive in North America at ports in Mexico. Rather than arriving at the port of Long Beach, imported goods would enter the US via a “port” in the mid-west that lies along the shipping lane. This measure has been unanimously opposed by US cities in proximity of the highway, but the democratic voice is ignored as the government covertly advances. Congress has largely looked away from the issue. Members who are aware of this plan avoid this issue and prefer that it stay secret, and the CFR presidential candidates will not address it. The presidential candidates' association with the the self-described “shadow government” compromises the the voting process and defrauds the constituency.

Barack Obama has captivated voters from all parties with his refreshing new style of rhetoric. He has the voting record to back his criticism of the Iraq war. But like his CFR colleagues, he vows to continue the pursuit of a shadowy enemy under the vague threat of “terrorism” - a policy that has cost citizens their personal liberties, trillions in debt and untold lives. The war on terror has been crafted to spend the US into bankruptcy and setup a domestic police state. Money continues to be being printed out of thin air by the private run-for-profit Federal Reserve, while China remains leveraged with over $1 trillion in US dollar holdings. In the middle east, the CFR's blank check for U.S. military operations will deplete U.S. resources while inciting sectarian strife and anti-U.S. sentiment, ignoring the history of blowback as documented by the CIA. Obama and other CFR candidates affiliation with the organization is not promoted on their websites or in any press releases because the organization has centralized political power and financial capital to set policy the public would otherwise oppose. The career politicians in the CFR know corporate sponsorship is frowned upon by voters. The Council is one of the major conduits between government and business leaders in the US. The CFR is guaranteeing power by owning all the horses in the race that is the 2008 election. Obama is captivating unlike most of his competition, undoubtedly intelligent enough to understand his political niche. Another CFR US president guarantees more of the same costly foreign policy that protects corporate interests and isolates the US. Like his colleagues, Barack Obama's stated foreign policy intentions foment the long term militarization and balkanization of the middle east while resources will continue to be spent in deficit to finance an illegal foreign policy. Only when the control of the CFR is fully exposed will the voters have a real democratic choice.

SOURCE

You come from the bowels of the Commie/Left/Progressive/Deconstructionist pit of American politics.

So understand I take everything coming from you with a large dose of salt.

Skull and Bones, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateralists, Bilderbergs, etc.

They all work under the banner of the anti-Christ and have prepared his coming.

Who do you believe you're fooling, besides the gullible like robin?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: robin (#79)

You live in a dream world,

LOLOL!!

Now THAT's FUNNY!!

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: robin (#78)

Again, another statement lacking any supporting evidence, just more rude words.

I've avoided this for a long time, but trust me it's not about you...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: All (#82)

To a select crowd of Americans, Obama preaches against the handling of the Iraq war. To other more private groups, Obama advocates military strikes on new middle eastern countries. Obama has aligned himself with several lobbying firms and nongovernmental organizations who seek further US militarization of the world. In several speeches and essays, Obama makes his foreign policy goals clear – and he is not anti-war. Is Obama intentionally sending a deceptive message to his constituency?

In a recent speech given to the American Israeli Political Action Committee, Obama outlines a plan for U.S. hegemony. He suggests polarizing political alignments that are already breeding anti-U.S. sentiment. Specifically, Obama pledges unfaltering military support to Israel. The U.S. has long supported Israel – this year they were given $30 billion for defense of the young state. To put this in perspective, less than $7 billion has been federally granted to rebuild homes destroyed after hurricane Katrina. Although the U.S. has always given billions in aid to Israel, his alliance backs preemptive strikes against countries deemed a threat. Israel is unpopular in the region, and is threatened by Iran's desire for modern nuclear energy in the future. Regarding Iran's nuclear program, Obama states “We should take no option, including military action, off the table”.

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: FOH (#80)

So you're not admitting you were wrong in your suggestion that Obama is Skull & Bones?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: robin (#73)

Voting for Obama is our best chance

It's cute, though, that you believe there's some nefarious 'chance' out there...

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: aristeides (#84)

I didn't say he was Skull and Bones, dipshiit.

They're all the same is what I said, and he's in the club.

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: aristeides (#76)

You might be a bigger sucker than robin...

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: All (#80)

Iran's oilfields, and the military buildup of the Persian Gulf creates and incentive for military action. It has been questioned if the U.S. military even has the capability of securing the strategic oil reserve. Iran has some of the most lucrative oilfields in the region, and provides energy to Asia and Europe. International economies would be disenfranchised with the US military disruption of its energy supplies. Meddling in other countries' foreign affairs has spurred backlash against the U.S. This phenomenon is referred to as “blowback”, or, the consequences from provoking actions. Ignoring this cause and effect, Obama advocates troops in Iraq be redeployed to Pakistan and Afghanistan to fight amorphous groups of “terrorists”. Regarding the war on terror, Obama differs from his colleagues in that he does not believe nuclear weapons should be used – a small concession for an ambitious military operation. This policy still backs preemptive strikes and the further militarization of the middle east, all at the expense of US resources.

Obama outlines his ambitious geopolitical plans in a recent essay for Foreign Affairs magazine.

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FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: FOH (#80)

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

Are those the words of a tool of the establishment?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: All (#83)

Specifically, Obama pledges unfaltering military support to Israel.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: aristeides (#89)

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Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-18   14:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FOH (#87)

You might be a bigger sucker than robin...

Well, I'm not the one who sticks one to one ideological line no matter what the facts turn out to be, am I?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: FOH (#56)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FOH (#91)

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In other words, you don't care what Obama has to say. You're going to stick to your preconceived idea of him, no matter what.

Right?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: robin (#58)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-18   14:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: ghostdogtxn (#95)

Some folks need to obsess about race and can't imagine a world without negative racism.

Ironic, considering what Obama was saying.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-18   14:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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