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Title: 'Islamists want to destroy everything the West holds dear'
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Jerusalem Post
URL Source: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell ... e=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Published: Mar 18, 2008
Author: herb keinon and david horovitz , THE JER
Post Date: 2008-03-18 23:07:56 by robin
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'Islamists want to destroy everything the West holds dear' herb keinon and david horovitz , THE JERUSALEM POST Mar. 19, 2008 The success of Hamas and Hizbullah in the region is not only a danger for Israel, but also a threat to US national interests, US Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday in an exclusive interview with The Jerusalem Post. "If Hamas/Hizbullah succeeds here, they are going to succeed everywhere, not only in the Middle East, but everywhere. Israel isn't the only enemy," Arizona Sen. McCain said, in the only interview he is giving to the Israeli media during his visit here. "They are dedicated to the extinction of everything that the US, Israel and the West believe and stand for. So America does have an interest in what happens here, far above and beyond our alliance with the State of Israel." McCain, who arrived on Tuesday for a one-day visit accompanied by senators Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, said that while he would never tell Israel not to speak with Hamas, he was personally against it. "Someone is going to have to answer me the question of how you are going to negotiate with an organization that is dedicated to your extinction," McCain said in a lounge in Jerusalem's David Citadel Hotel, as Lieberman and Graham listened. McCain, who has been here on numerous occasions since his first visit in 1979, was careful about dispensing advice or coming across as dictating policy to the Israeli government. "I really think that we should understand that the US and Israel are partners. Israel is not a client of the United States," he said. "If you are partners, then you don't dictate what you think the terms of the survival of a nation should be." Asked whether Israel was using the right tactics in trying to quell the rocket fire on Sderot and the western Negev, McCain praised Defense Minister Ehud Barak - terming him "one of the great military people" he has met - and added, "I can't give you a good answer as to how you respond to these rocket attacks." But, he then said dryly, "I can tell you that I believe that if rocket attacks came across the border of the United States of America, that the American people would probably demand pretty vigorous actions in response. I think I know my constituency in the state of Arizona, and they would be pretty exercised if rockets came across our southern border." McCain's toughest talk, however, was reserved for Teheran, which he said unequivocally was pursuing nuclear weapons - remarks that were at odds with last year's controversial US National Intelligence Estimate. "I think Iran is a threat to the region," McCain said, adding that not only were the Iranians "obviously pursuing nuclear weapons," they were also arming and training extremists to send into Iraq, supporting Hizbullah and influencing Syria. "At the end of the day, we can still not afford to have Iran with nuclear weapons," he said. "We know they have ambitions that are not just aimed at the State of Israel." These ambitions included "destabilization of the entire region upon which the United States' national security interests rest," he said. McCain, meanwhile, made no promises regarding former secretary of state James Baker, a man who causes anxiety among many pro-Israel supporters in the US and who has been mentioned as a possible presidential envoy to the region under a McCain administration. One thing he did promise was that whomever he picked for that role, "I would personally be engaged. I know enough about it to be personally engaged and give it my highest priority. Secondly, he said, any candidate for that position would be someone whom both sides would listen to and respect. As to a future role for Lieberman, who has been touted as a secretary of state or defense secretary, McCain warmly thanked Lieberman for supporting him at a time when it was not the popular thing to do. "I know many ways that he can serve this country [the US], with or without me as president of the United States," McCain said. McCain, who spoke by phone with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday, just before meeting the Post, is scheduled to meet on Wednesday with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Barak, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Likud head Binyamin Netanyahu, as well as visit the Western Wall. He will also take a helicopter tour with Barak. He leaves on Wednesday evening for France and Britain. Immediately after arriving on Tuesday afternoon from Iraq, McCain went to Yad Vashem, and then to a meeting with President Shimon Peres. The McCain interview will appear in full in Friday's Post.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
Jews (blah blah blah) ....
Thanks for the clarification.
The only people destroying nations and committing genocide are Israel and the US (plus its weak coalition).
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Zionist leadership went into it from year 1 fully believing it was a zero-sum game, but apparently neglected to inform the world at large, including the US public. That's the way I heard it, anyway. Christian zionists are apparently here to tell us all we had no right to know, no capacity to judge, no intellectual input worthy of consideration, no representation accruing from the taxation, and the balance of Christianity makes nary a peep in opposition. Waiting to be proven incorrect here.
I do not believe Israel really worked at peace once. Maybe Shimon Peres tried.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I have to take issue with the word dedicated. It's not an ideological conspiracy. It's more of a loose coalition of individuals and organizations. McCain subscribes to a version of the watchmaker argument, that where there is order there must be an orderer. I think I know my constituency in the state of Arizona, and they would be pretty exercised if rockets came across our southern border. Do they know their Senator is not exercised by Mexican army units coming across the border?
Red states? Blue states? It's an Obama nation!
Do they know their Senator is not exercised by Mexican army units coming across the border? BWAHAHAH!! Of course they don't. They're ignorant rubes like 80% of the rest of Amurkans. I can think of several other populations who would have burned the DC traitors in the streets by now. But noo...not us. We have something called "tolerance" (by which we commit cultural and financial suicide) and greed, enough so that we sell others the rope with which to hang us all.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Someone should shut the old goats mouth. The only Americans (debateable) that might incur negative repurcussions are bribe taking political hacks like McCain.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
The American public has the same problem with CON-gress, Mr. McCain.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
I'm not particularly concerned about the 200 "Islamofascists" in the world. It's bothers me about as much as global warming or the possibly of nuclear war, i.e., not really on my radar screen. We should worry about our problems at home before we worry about the rest of the world.
Scratch a liberal and you'll find a fascist everytime.
I wasn't aware that the existence of the US was entirely dependent upon annexing Gaza and southern Lebannon.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
I think you are right. A zero sum game strongly hints that genocide is AOK, therefore to be open and honest about their intentions would be somewhat detrimental to their cause. But I would qualify "balance of Christianity" with the words "organized christianity" or what I call churchianity. There are Christians that have come out of that world system, and see it for what it is. We are loose cannons, I guess. They have been brainwashed for years that "israel" is there now by act of God, and is a friend. I believed that too, at one time, when I was young and stupid.
------They may look intimidating, by design, but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Maybe McCain needs to pass on some of the intel or insight he has, since Iran is "obviously pursuing nuclear weapons" even though no one seems to be able to find any proof of it. Indeed, they (unlike us) seem to be living up to the terms of the NPT (of which they are a signatory, unlike Israel or India), and even the Additional Protocols, which their government hasn't ratified. We, on the other hand, are trying to block things allowed by the NPT, and are trying to make a deal with India for providing nuclear materials and dual use tools, in violation of the NPT, since India isn't a signatory and they seem to have no desire to become one. As for the government of Iran arming, training and sending extremists all over the place, some actual proof of that surely will be forthcoming? I've read a lot of things that say that some weapons and sometimes people are coming out of Iran, but it's unclear whether it's a gift from the government of Iran or whether it is something they're not part of. I'm really not comfortable with a presidential candidate going to a foreign land and campaigning, much like what Bush did a few years ago in Mexico, and what McCain is doing here. When Rudy was the preferred candidate it was pretty funny to read the story about his trip to Britain (guess British get to vote, too) how he considered himself to be one of the five best known Americans, and someone asked him about the other four and all he could come up with was Bill Clinton (an ideological brother, evidently) before he fled. The funniest part of the news report I read was that a crowd of people who were at the airport to get a glimpse of Dustin Hoffman noticed Rudy there. I guess Hoffman must be #3 on the list or something.
Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
Obsession and diversion would proceed full speed ahead under Bush II, i.e., Jack D. Ripper.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
What's left after the globalist have already decimated the values the West used to hold dear. There's only a small majority who even remember those values.
"Look well therefore to this Day!" ~ Kalidasa
It's amazing what constitutes an existential threat or a grave threat to national security. One would think that debasing the currency until no one is will to use or borrow our treasury bonds to fund a war would be considered a threat, but guess not. I'm not sure what logical leap McCain is trying to imply, but the reasoning might be a bit shoddy. Both of those groups have a primary mission of making Israel stop what they're doing. Their success in stopping Israel doesn't mean that they would suddenly morph their mission into attacking the US. The example is Iran. The Ayatollah thundered against the Great Satan for years, and no Iranians attacked us, even after we destroyed an Iranian airliner full of people. It's really hard to get people to attack another, unless you can point to actual things that are being done. If someone agitated for you to attack the local law enforcement, it probably wouldn't get much action. But if you were being repeatedly abused, and more examples were forthcoming from your neighbors, it would probably be much easier to incite action. In this I agree with Michael Scheurer (sp?) when, in Imperial Hubris he writes that Muslims don't hate us for our freedoms or misunderstand us, they understand us perfectly well, they can see what we're doing. They don't hate us for what we are, they hate us for what we do.
Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Well, he's described the Palestinians' plight pretty well there. Quite often they say things that are far more accurately applied to the Palestinians than any other people. McCain must be confident that Americans know nothing of the truth in the ME.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
sadly, that is true
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
If McCain says it that's good enough for me. Let's do Venezuela also, and while the bombers are warmed up, didn't Switzerland piss us off the other day... /s
John McCain---Just like Bob Dole only crazy
They're the volunteers of Arabia, volunteers of Arabia.
Like Pinguinite posted the other day, "If you liked Bush, you'll LOVE McCain!!!"
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
The Israelis have this habit of saying "us" and "we" instead of "I" and "me" when it comes to other countries.
The prospect of a McCain presidency puts the possibility of nuclear war on the radar screen for the first time since the Bay of Pigs.
McKook is a live hand grenade and no one can find the pin.
Islamists (blah blah blah) ....
#2. To: robin (#0)
"I know many ways that he [Lieberman] can serve this country [the US], with or without me as president of the United States," McCain said.
#3. To: nobody (#1)
#4. To: robin (#3)
(Edited)
#5. To: nobody (#4)
#6. To: robin (#0)
"Someone is going to have to answer me the question of how you are going to negotiate with an organization that is dedicated to your extinction," McCain said
#7. To: Tauzero (#6)
I think I know my constituency in the state of Arizona, and they would be pretty exercised if rockets came across our southern border.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#8. To: robin (#0)
The success of Hamas and Hizbullah in the region is not only a danger for Israel, but also a threat to US national interests, US Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday in an exclusive interview with The Jerusalem Post.
#9. To: Tauzero (#6)
how you are going to negotiate with an organization that is dedicated to your extinction," McCain said
#10. To: robin (#0)
#11. To: robin (#0)
The success of Hamas and Hizbullah in the region is not only a danger for Israel, but also a threat to US national interests
#12. To: nobody (#4)
(Edited)
Zionist leadership went into it from year 1 fully believing it was a zero-sum game, but apparently neglected to inform the world at large, including the US public. That's the way I heard it, anyway. Christian zionists are apparently here to tell us all we had no right to know, no capacity to judge, no intellectual input worthy of consideration, no representation accruing from the taxation, and the balance of Christianity makes nary a peep in opposition. Waiting to be proven incorrect here.
#13. To: robin (#0)
"I think Iran is a threat to the region," McCain said, adding that not only were the Iranians "obviously pursuing nuclear weapons," they were also arming and training extremists to send into Iraq, supporting Hizbullah and influencing Syria.
#14. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
We should worry about our problems at home before we worry about the rest of the world.
#15. To: robin (#0)
'Islamists want to destroy everything the West holds dear'
#16. To: Dakmar (#11)
#17. To: robin (#0)
#18. To: robin (#0)
#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#18)
"Someone is going to have to answer me the question of how you are going to negotiate with an organization that is dedicated to your extinction,"
#20. To: robin (#19)
#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#20)
#22. To: robin (#0)
If Hamas/Hizbullah succeeds here, they are going to succeed everywhere, not only in the Middle East, but everywhere.
#23. To: robin (#0)
'Islamists want to destroy everything the West holds dear'
I've already said too much.
#24. To: Sonovademocrat (#22)
#25. To: Dakmar (#11)
I wasn't aware that the existence of the US was entirely dependent upon annexing Gaza and southern Lebannon.
#26. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
It's bothers me about as much as global warming or the possibly of nuclear war, i.e., not really on my radar screen.
#27. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#26)
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