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Title: Obama's lead over Clinton narrows: Reuters poll
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/poli ... me=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Published: Mar 19, 2008
Author: Steve Holland
Post Date: 2008-03-19 10:55:48 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 1011
Comments: 73

By Steve Holland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

The poll showed Obama had only a statistically insignificant lead of 47 percent to 44 percent over Clinton, down sharply from a 14 point edge he held over her in February when he was riding the tide of 10 straight victories.

Illinois Sen. Obama, who would be America's first black president, has been buffeted by attacks in recent weeks from New York Sen. Clinton over his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief and by a tempest over racially charged sermons given by his Chicago preacher.

The poll showed Arizona Sen. McCain, who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, is benefiting from the lengthy campaign battle between Obama and Clinton, who are now battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22.

McCain leads 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup against Obama in the November presidential election, according to the poll.

That is a sharp turnaround from the Reuters/Zogby poll from last month, which showed in a head-to-head matchup that Obama would beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent.

"The last couple of weeks have taken a toll on Obama and in a general election match-up, on both Democrats," said pollster John Zogby.

Matched up against Clinton, McCain leads 48 percent to 40 percent, narrower than his 50 to 38 percent advantage over her in February.

"It's not surprising to me that McCain's on top because there is disarray and confusion on the Democratic side," Zogby said

Obama gave a speech on Tuesday rebuking his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, for sermons sometimes laced with inflammatory tirades but said he could not disown him and it was time for Americans to bind the country's racial wounds.

The poll showed Obama continues to have strong support from the African-American community but that he is experiencing some slippage among moderates and independents.

Among independents, McCain led for the first time in the poll, 46 percent to 36 percent over Obama.

He was behind McCain by 21 percent among white voters.

Zogby attributed this to a combination of the fallout from Clinton's victory in Ohio earlier this month and the controversy over Wright's sermons.

"And, just the closer he gets to the nomination, the tougher questions whites ask about an African-American candidate," Zogby said.

The March 13-14 poll surveyed 525 likely Democratic primary voters for the matchup between Clinton and Obama. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.

For the matchup between McCain and his Democratic rivals, 1004 likely voters were surveyed. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

(To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online here

(Editing by Todd Eastham)


Poster Comment:

I wonder how much of a bump Obama's speech will give him. He still has the most delegates. Smear tactics seem to work very well.

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#1. To: Cynicom (#0)

ping

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   10:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

I wonder how much of a bump Obama's speech will give him.

It can only have an effect if people are exposed to it.

I am amazed to see in this morning's Washington Post no full text of the speech, just a couple of lengthy quotes in a sidebar beside the jump of the front-page story. Not even a URL for accessing the full text of the speech on line.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   10:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#2)

The Washington Post? They must be for Hillary.

It was a really good speech and they know it.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Obama has already written off Pa. because Gov. Rendell gave him the truth.

Myself, I have switched to democrat so that next month I may vote against Obama.

Local county offices have reported hundreds of independents and pubs switching to dem just for the primary.

Gender and race are skewing this primary.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Myself, I have switched to democrat so that next month I may vote against Obama.

You prefer Hillary? You're following Limbaugh's instructions?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   11:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4)

You're very likely too late, Obama has enough lead in delegates, he will most likely be the nominee.

And IMO, once the Democrats stop the blood-letting, they will beat McCain.

As Pinguinite put it, "If you liked Bush, you'll LOVE McCain!!!"

I can only assume you liked Bush and LOVE McCain.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#0)

I wonder how much of a bump Obama's speech will give him.

Obama: Price 45.5 Change +1.00
McCain: Price 39.8 Change +0.5
Clinton: Price 17.4 Change -1.4

Odds trend does confirm a longer, slow increase in McCain's chances. At the beginning of the month, Obama's price was ~55. He took a hit early in the month, then again on about the 12th.

Question Diversity

Tauzero  posted on  2008-03-19   11:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tauzero (#7)

Hillary's price is a little low, she has benefited from the smear tactics and the amazing amount of news cycles on the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#0)

Looks like the Obama LoveFest is coming to an end. He was an interesting curiosity, but the Clintons have successfully made race an issue in this campaign. Blacks will flock to Hillary in November because they realize she will increase handouts just as much as Obama.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   11:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#3)

The Clintons are CIA from way back in the Sixties when they were posing as hippies. It is reasonably certain that Poppy Bush recruited Bubba to go on that trip to the Soviet Union after he dropped out of Oxford.

It is not a well-kept secret that the WaPo is a CIA/intel organ. Bob Woodward went directly from Naval Intelligence to his assignment at WaPo to take down Tricky Dick.

In general, the orders seem to have come down to the operatives of Operation Mockingbird in the media that fun times are over and it is time to destroy Obama.

What is more interesting is how the spook media are going to sell Hillary in the general. They've got to keep it close enough to steal it out from under McCain.

McCain was generally thought to be a good Palooka-style 2008 version of Dole, but now we see in polling that Hillary is so despised that they may not be able to steal it for her. She might not be able to win an honest election against a dead man, at this point.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-03-19   11:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vitamin Z (#9)

Sorry to disappoint you, but he has the delegate count, all but locked up. After his speech yesterday morning, I am sure his poll #s will rise.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom (#10)

That means, of course, that people who are willing to vote for Hillary, in a primary or in a final election, are advancing the plans of the CIA and its masters.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   11:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#11) (Edited)

Sorry to disappoint you, but he has the delegate count, all but locked up. After his speech yesterday morning, I am sure his poll #s will rise.

Sadly, you will soon be the disappointed one. I don't have a horse in this rigged race.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   11:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Sam Houston (#10)

Hillary's delegate count is not enough to catch up with Obama according to the analysts. Obama is also getting the nod from superdelegates. I believe Hillary will cause a huge stink at the convention, but that the Democrats will recover.

McCain has so much corruption in his past and present (like sleeping with airhead lobbyists), I cannot imagine him winning against either.

No one has truly gone after McCain yet.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robin (#14)

I live in Texas and had you told me 20 years ago that Poppy's ne'er do well, eldest son would be rehabilitated to the extent he could win (or prevail, anyhow) in four straight elections, two at the state level and two at the national, I never would have believed you.

The so-called "American people" for whom political candidates continually proclaim to speak are about to find out who's really in charge — again.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-03-19   11:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Sam Houston (#10)

She might not be able to win an honest election against a dead man, at this point.

Interesting.

Question Diversity

Tauzero  posted on  2008-03-19   11:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#4)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: ghostdogtxn, robin (#17)

We may wind up with a McCain presidency.

Wash your mouth with soap right now.

God help us if he becomes president.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ghostdogtxn (#18)

See my nr 19

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#19)

God help us if he becomes president.

Which is why voting for the candidate who will do the least damage is a good idea.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Sam Houston (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: ghostdogtxn (#17)

All the attacks and smears and dirty tactics have been in the battle between Hillary and Obama.

Wait until it's time to attack McCain. The only problem will be deciding which order to present his crooked, evil past and present. Do you save the best until last or get it out right away?

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#19)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: ghostdogtxn, Cynicom (#24)

lol

I already gave him a hard time this morning, I'll wait another 24 hours before trying that again!

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Sam Houston (#15)

That was an amazing deceit and fraud they pulled off. And the media was fully complicit.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robin (#23)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vitamin Z (#13)

Well it is far from over, anything could happen.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:32:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: robin (#21)

Which is why voting for the candidate who will do the least damage is a good idea.

Good heavens, I have failed miserably.

I will write in Ron Paul come Nov. No more of the lesser of three evils because that is exactly the way the system wants us to vote, they win every time and we lose every time.

It is not our patriotic duty to vote for preselected people. Vote by all means but leave it blank or write in someone. We have become members of the flock of sheep we abhor.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#29)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#29)

I'm less cynical that's all. I see a ray of hope in Obama. It's still a gamble, and if he wins, he may not live up to my expectations.

OTOH, I KNOW Hillary and McCain would be a disaster.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ghostdogtxn, robin (#24)

Gee, sorry Cynicom. I forgot you were a Hillary man.

OK Mr. Snidely.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#29)

I will write in Ron Paul come Nov.

But in the meantime you will apparently vote for Hillary.

Is that because you consider her the lesser of the evils?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   11:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: robin (#31)

OTOH, I KNOW Hillary and McCain would be a disaster. OTOH, I KNOW Hillary and McCain would be a disaster.

So what will you do when Obama is running as VP to Clinton?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

At one time, the polls showed that Obama would win against McCain. Hillary's been smearing with the usual Clinton dirty tactics and that has helped McCain and hurt Obama.

I think there is time to reverse that trend. I also think Hillary burnt the possibility of her being Obama's VP.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: robin (#35)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#34)

After her dirty tactics against Obama, which is helping McCain, I don't see either one picking the other for VP.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#34)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   11:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)

It really is, and the superdelegates must be disgusted too.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: aristeides (#33)

Is that because you consider her the lesser of the evils?

Good heavens no.

Being a racist I will vote against Obama by checking Clintons name.

Now being even handed about this, Obama will receive many votes because he is black, but keep in mind that is not racist. I just want to make sure we are on the same page.

You do recall I repeat often that this race is skewed by race and gender, with that in mind, I do prefer girls to boys..........

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: robin (#37)

After her dirty tactics against Obama,

robin...

Wait until the lovefest at the dem convention. A Clinton/Obama ticket is unbeatable even by God himself...and robin must vote for it because she likes Obama.

Obama will sell you out to Clinton, take that to the bank.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   11:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#41)

As I just posted: I KNOW Hillary and McCain would be a disaster. I'm willing to gamble on Obama.

I understand due to Hillary's desperation, her attacks have soured any prospect of an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket. Unless, at the convention, some master mediator of reconciliation, manages somehow to make peace between them "for the good of the party/country".

To be honest, I think he can do better. Someone like Jim Webb or Admiral Fallon would be far better, if they are interested.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   11:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: robin (#37)

After her dirty tactics against Obama, which is helping McCain, I don't see either one picking the other for VP.

It would be risky for Obama to turn down the VP slot because that could spell the end of his presidential aspirations. This is Hillary's last chance, and she has nothing to lose.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   11:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom (#40)

Well, if you're willing to vote for Hillary (something that will benefit Hillary, or McCain, or both,) I don't think you should criticize people who support Obama.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   11:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: robin (#42)

Unless, at the convention, some master mediator of reconciliation, manages somehow to make peace between them "for the good of the party/country".

Good of the party or country is the least of anyones interest.

It is all about winning. Obama knows full well that if Clinton wins, his only salvation is to be VP, if not he is done in politics.

Go back a few years to JFK/LBJ.. they hated each other with a passion but at the convention you would have sworn it was a father/son lovefest. what happened?

They won, beat Nixon by a hair. The ONLY way to win was that combination.

With Obama on the ticket he brings 90 % of the black vote, guaranteed.

Clinton/Anyname vs McKook, the crazy man might win.

You would never make a poker player robin.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: aristeides (#44)

Well, if you're willing to vote for Hillary (something that will benefit Hillary, or McCain, or both,) I don't think you should criticize people who support Obama.

Ari...

Now your bias is showing not your intellect.

I said I am voting AGAINST Obama and for a reason, and in Nov will write in Paul regardless of whom you and the establishment present, so there.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#45) (Edited)

With Obama on the ticket he brings 90 % of the black vote, guaranteed.

The Democrats can count on 90% of the black vote no matter who they run and who the Republicans run. Where Obama might help Clinton is with college-age kids who would not have voted at all if it hadn't been for the mass media's Obamamania.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-19   12:03:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#46)

Whatever your reason, you're going to do something that you have to know will benefit Hillary, or McCain, or both. And it's hard to understand how that is not your intent.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   12:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#46)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   12:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#47)

The Democrats can count on 90% of the black vote no matter who they run and who the Republicans run. Where Obama might help Clinton is with college-age kids who would not have voted at all if they hadn't been for the mass media's Obamamania.

Clinton/Obama is an unstoppable ticket.

Clinton needs Obama and Obama will not throw everything away as a matter of pride, his desire for power is as great as hers. They will use each other.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: ghostdogtxn (#49)

Okay. And what was that?

If I said because I am a racist, you would get all lathered up over that, assuring me that you already knew that...

Cast that aside, just for a moment. Consider that Obama came from nowhere to be the darling of American voters, untold money falls from heaven, guilt ridden whites stand in line to worship. Put your bias aside and think that perhaps Obama was created for some other use.

If you cannot or will not, then go back to the racist thing where you feel comfortable.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#40)

Being a racist I will vote against Obama by checking Clintons name.

Lol. Come on, Cyni, stop being all PC and tell us how you really feel!

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   12:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Vitamin Z (#52)

Lol. Come on, Cyni, stop being all PC and tell us how you really feel!

Z...

I have yet to see these people condemn blacks for voting Obama because he is black.

I save them the trouble of calling me racist, saves time.

I hazard not a one of these people read and digested even one primary statistics.

DC is the outstanding and glaring example.. Headlines said McKook and Obama sweep DC.

Really?????

Obama received 85,000 votes and McKook 3900.

Now anyone that studies that and sees nothing, should not be voting.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#51)

Consider that Obama came from nowhere to be the darling of American voters, untold money falls from heaven, guilt ridden whites stand in line to worship.

Obama's career is a creation of the mass media, the hoola hoop of American politics. When a complete unknown and a mediocrity suddenly gets catapulted into the Senate (where his achievements were zip) and turned into a top Presidential contender, it's obvious that he's someone's tool. The only question is whose tool he is.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-19   12:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#51)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   12:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#53)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-19   12:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#54)

Obama's career is a creation of the mass media, the hoola hoop of American politics. When a complete unknown and a mediocrity suddenly gets catapulted into the Senate (where his achievements were zip) and turned into a top Presidential contender, it's obvious that he's someone's tool. The only question is whose tool he is.

Rupert...

You might add...useful tool...therein lies a mystery. One that thinking people might take time to consider.

Instead we have people here running on emotions.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#53) (Edited)

I have yet to see these people condemn blacks for voting Obama because he is black.

Something like 90% of blacks are voting for Obama. That's fine, but voting for a candidate because of his race is every bit as "racist" as opposing a candidate because of his race.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   12:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#45)

Clinton/Anyname vs McKook, the crazy man might win.

I understand McKooK is currently ahead in some national polls. And, if you've noticed of late, Iraq has become a media success story, hence it's a feather in the cap for the War Class. Obama's early opposition to the war is being slowly removed as a campaign positive. It's looking more and more as if the strategy of Rs - crossing over party lines and voting for Hillary - is working. Shall we toss a few votes Hillary's way here in PA to keep the latent racist stuck in the mire of nasty Clintoid politics? Who can forget Obama's early cry for the head of Imus for saying nasty things, but excusing a fellow brother when he slamed whitey for spreading the AIDS virus in the black community?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-19   12:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Vitamin Z (#58)

That's fine, but voting for a candidate because of his race is every bit as "racist" as opposing a candidate because of his race

Z...

To an unbiased thinking person, that is correct.

Many people will not or cannot lay aside their own bias and emotions in a manner that would perhaps help them to see what is going on in front of them.

I voted Perot for a choice as did 20 million other AMERICANS. We have no choice here as there is not even a lesser of three evils, people that believe otherwise are fooling themselves as the system is fooling them.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#59)

Shall we toss a few votes Hillary's way here in PA to keep the latent racist stuck in the mire of nasty Clintoid politics?

I intend to do my part to that exact end.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   12:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#45)

Go back a few years to JFK/LBJ.. they hated each other with a passion but at the convention you would have sworn it was a father/son lovefest. what happened?

Sounds like a master mediator of reconciliation at the convention managed to convince them it was for the good of the party/country.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   12:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Vitamin Z (#43)

And it is possible that at the convention someone will convince them to accept a Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   12:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: robin (#62)

Sounds like a master mediator of reconciliation at the convention managed to convince them it was for the good of the party/country.

Most likely that was afore your political life.

Both men had lust for power. Both were willing to submit to a shotgun wedding in that they each would gain. One without the other would have meant neither gained anything and Nixon would have won.

No one had to marry them, they hated each other but wanted glory and power so badly they kissed in public, the rest is history.

Nixon lost by 100,000 votes or so but being a better man than JFK and LBJ he refused a recount. Few recall that. JFK did.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   13:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#59)

Who can forget Obama's early cry for the head of Imus for saying nasty things, but excusing a fellow brother when he slamed whitey for spreading the AIDS virus in the black community?

I think Obama is starting to realize that his affiliation with black supremacists might hurt him.

Obama's race or affiliation isn't what bugs me. It's that he is probably the most globalist Marxist candidate to ever run for president.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   13:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Vitamin Z (#65)

Obama's race or affiliation isn't what bugs me. It's that he is probably the most globalist Marxist candidate to ever run for president.

You are not supposed to see or concern yourself with that.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   13:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Vitamin Z (#65)

It's that he is probably the most globalist Marxist candidate to ever run for president.

Yes, the Ds are running increasingly to the hard left, while the Rs are corporate, free trading liberals. There is absolutely no distinction between the evil either side can do to us.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-19   13:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Cynicom (#64)

They say Nixon lost b/c of a 5:00 shadow during that televised debate.

My mother voted for him, but soon after JFK came to office, she was already saying she would vote for JFK next time.

And in the same way Johnson was an unhealthy choice for VP, so is Hillary.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   13:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#66)

You are not supposed to see or concern yourself with that.

You're right. Obama is half-black, so I should not criticize him.

Can I still criticize his white half?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-19   13:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Vitamin Z (#69)

Can I still criticize his white half?

Uhhhh, oh, well, uhhhh, can I get back to you on that?

You are brilliant. I can now criticize Obama all I want, when people here scream at me, I can say I am denouncing his white half. Damn, brilliant. thank you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   13:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Cynicom (#70)

I can say I am denouncing his white half.

I don't think that explains why Hillary is better. Or McCain, for that matter.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   13:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: aristeides (#71)

I don't think that explains why Hillary is better. Or McCain, for that matter.

Three peas in a pod, they all green, they all look alike, some may be bigger than others, still they are all peas.

Oh, and the pod is the establishment that has given all of them birth.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-19   14:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#72)

But nevertheless you say you're going to vote for one of those peas in a pod.

Strange.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-19   14:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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