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Title: Obama: Trust Me to End the War
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Associated Press
URL Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5 ... sn59np7LYG6eYS5GubXUAD8VGPQ0O0
Published: Mar 19, 2008
Author: MATT APUZZO
Post Date: 2008-03-19 19:24:29 by robin
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FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. (AP) — Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that Hillary Rodham Clinton could not be trusted to end the Iraq war because she only started opposing it when she began her bid for president. In a speech not far from North Carolina's Fort Bragg military base, the Democratic presidential hopeful told military families and local officials that the war has emboldened al-Qaida, the Taliban, Iran and North Korea. "Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?" Obama used the five-year anniversary of the Iraq invasion to again cast himself as the only true anti-war candidate, one who openly opposed the invasion as a state lawmaker. He renewed criticism of Clinton for voting to authorize the use of force against Iraq. Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer responded: "The reality is that Senator Obama took practically no action to end the war until he started his White House run while Senator Clinton has been a consistent critic of Iraq for many years." Obama also teased likely Republican nominee John McCain for a foreign policy gaffe Tuesday in which McCain, touring the Middle East, said several times that Iran was training al-Qaida in Iraq. Iran is a predominantly Shiite Muslim country and has been at pains to close its borders to al-Qaida fighters of the rival Sunni sect. After another senator on the trip, Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, whispered in his ear, McCain corrected himself to say Iran was training Shiite militants. "Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no al-Qaida ties," Obama said to laughter and applause. "Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades." In the days before she won primaries in Texas and Ohio, Clinton argued that she was better prepared to be commander in chief and broadcast a television ad that asked who could handle a middle-of-the-night crisis. Obama countered that Clinton had bungled her crisis moment when she voted to authorize military force to oust Saddam Hussein. Obama alluded to that ad in his speech. "What we need in our next commander in chief is not a stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality or empty rhetoric about 3 a.m. phone calls," he said. "What we need is a pragmatic strategy that focuses on fighting our real enemies, rebuilding alliances and renewing our engagement with the world's people." He said Clinton and McCain talk tough on national security yet make decisions that leave the country less secure. "This is why the judgment that matters most on Iraq — and on any decision to deploy military force — is the judgment made first," Obama said. Special forces from Fort Bragg were among the first soldiers in Iraq during the 2003 invasion and its paratroopers led last year's troop increase. President Bush visited the base to deliver his 2005 Independence Day speech, in which he warned that setting a timetable to withdraw from Iraq would only embolden terrorists. McCain has issued similar remarks and Obama squarely rejected them. "These are the mistaken and misleading arguments we hear from those who have failed to demonstrate how the war in Iraq has made us safer," Obama said. Mark Salter, a senior adviser to McCain, responded: "John McCain wants American forces to come home when our clear and serious interests at stake in Iraq, which nearly 4,000 Americans have given their lives to secure, are truly safe, when al-Qaida is defeated; Iran's influence is contained, and the potential for a truly cataclysmic civil war in Iraq is remote. That, I think, is what is called 'making us safer.'" Obama also defended his contention that the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses — a statement last year that drew criticism from Republicans. "We have a security gap when candidates say they will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but refuse to follow him where he actually goes," Obama said, referring to McCain's vow to chase down bin Laden. North Carolina holds its primary May 6. Obama traveled to Charlotte on Wednesday evening for a town-hall meeting and a fundraiser.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
I know you prefer cartoons and lies from Faux News, but you might read just a little.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Don't be a stupid bitch, robin. You know better. Or do you?
Oh using foul language is a sure way to influence people. Would you care for some more rope?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I would like to influence all of you cabal-boot lickers to swallow grenades. Think I can pull it off?
Watch the money from heaven start to dry up.
Oh come on, Dubya and Darth Cheney "lost" and stole from the treasury. There's nothing left.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Thats no way to treat a lady, here or anywhere. robin and I disagree on a lot of things but that does not bring in incivility.
Who you think is tying the tin cans on Obamas tail??? All happen stance????
Did she accuse YOU of being a Faux Newzer?? I'll not be as civil next time.
Asshole...
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Dog poop eater.
A gentleman would apologize and gain a lot of respect from others.
Obama knee-pad pole smoker.
So, now I'm a he, is that it?
Are you aware, that it has been posted here, that the article on New Black Panthers that you embraced, is considered real news by Faux News reporters? Even though they must have realized it was a profile of an individual, and that anyone could have posted it.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I am near sighted, cant tell from here. Either persuasion, common civility is preferable.
I don't need Faux Newz or anyone else for that matter telling me what and who Barrack Hussein Obama the Hope and Change Agent is all about.
They want ice water in hell, too.
I guess my question for you is why you care. I don't, not about which one of these puppets gets elected. I want to know what the final selection means to America's future, that's about it.
Which one is elected makes no difference. Obama is in this mix for some unknown reason. It appears as if now the plug is being pulled on his adventure. If his "donations" dry up, that will be the true indicator.
I care because a record number of idiots are going to rubber stamp one of these traitors and another 'voter mandate' will grind what's left of America into dust. I'm astonished that Ron Paul supporters fought so hard against the cabal and now are running their lips up and down the newest demon-spawn idol, pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor.
Actually, I could care less who wins. I'm enjoying poking holes in all of the candidates. The defense of bama is hilarious to me. The guy is as left-wing as they come. To me politicians are liars (save RP) and he never had a chance b/c the real power wouldn't allow him to destroy theirs.
Trust me - I'll only stick the head in... I guess that we're that stupid. Trust me, my ass.
Scratch: ...pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor. Somewhat similar answers. Now that RP's campaign is pretty much idle, I'm just in awe at the power of the media to influence people around me.
They were never supporters in the first place. They were operatives. I think a couple got snookered by their web for extra points.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech Obama in 2002: My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don’t oppose all wars. After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again. I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. He also says he'll restore Habeas Corpus. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I'm sure you're right, except for the really stupid ones.
I think the 4 lefties who like Obama truly believed that Ron Paul was liberal in some way. I think they believe Obama is negative on Israel for some reason, perhaps the same way they believed Ron Paul was a bit of a lefty. Hope does funny things to people. It worked some magic on me during the last half of 2007.
Yup. It's all about Liberalism, nothing for Americanism. Fuuuk'em.
I disagree with your premise and take offense not at the actual label you've used, but at the idea that you used labels to begin with. These people are my friends, for the most part, and I know you are partial to at least a few of us... Don't make me start posting the Gerald McBoingBoing clips.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
Some of my 'friends' went ape shit for the cabal, too. Worthless eaters.
My paternal grandparents were hardcore new dealers, and the rest of my family has generally made a good living in the auto industry. Why should they see unions as evil?
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
To each their own. Personally, I wouldn't trust him to shine my shoes.
Ron Paul brought together a strange coalition. I don't see it holding. The easy way Obama has pulled the lefties back into the Establishment's fold sort of proves that to me. I don't see many Ron Paul supporters going back toward McCain.
LOL! Geez.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
To the extent Unions have been nothing but organized Democrat crime and had a large hand in giving us our modern mess, I see no reason. Greatest generations my a**.
Nonsense. Both Ron Paul and Obama had a grassroots beginning, many young people believed that they are not bought and paid for, and in Obama's case, not totally, yet. I have told the story here how Hillary's people bullied the Obama and Paul supporters who were in NH voting precincts to observe the vote, to leave - demanding to see their papers, it was all bogus. The both have a large grassroots following with many young people. Hillary and her machine went after both of them, and there were voting irregularities in NH. Both Ron Paul and Barack Obama were against the war from before its beginning - they are on record. I'm sure believing that we are infiltrators helps solve the mystery for you and others, but it won't wash. We have witnesses to our dedication for Ron Paul and share many of the same principles; there is a long paper trail and some of us have met in person - even at protests. After the Trotsky memo, we realized he wasn't going any further. Since Hillary and McCain are the other choices, supporting the only candidate still dedicated to ending the war, closing Gitmo and restoring Habeas Corpus is a very reasonable choice. BTW, it's more like 6, not 4.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Am I too blunt, too crude and just too much?
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"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"
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"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"
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Don't be a stupid bitch, robin.
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Faux Newser
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Give me a freaking break here
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JT: I'm enjoying poking holes in all of the candidates.
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I'm astonished that Ron Paul supporters fought so hard against the cabal and now are running their lips up and down the newest demon-spawn idol, pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor.
#28. To: lodwick (#24)
"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"
#29. To: Peppa (#27)
They were never supporters in the first place. They were operatives.
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It's all about Liberalism, nothing for Americanism.
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I think the 4 lefties who like Obama truly believed that Ron Paul was liberal in some way.
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