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Title: Obama: Trust Me to End the War
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5 ... sn59np7LYG6eYS5GubXUAD8VGPQ0O0
Published: Mar 19, 2008
Author: MATT APUZZO
Post Date: 2008-03-19 19:24:29 by robin
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Views: 1566
Comments: 89

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. (AP) — Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that Hillary Rodham Clinton could not be trusted to end the Iraq war because she only started opposing it when she began her bid for president.

In a speech not far from North Carolina's Fort Bragg military base, the Democratic presidential hopeful told military families and local officials that the war has emboldened al-Qaida, the Taliban, Iran and North Korea.

"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"

Obama used the five-year anniversary of the Iraq invasion to again cast himself as the only true anti-war candidate, one who openly opposed the invasion as a state lawmaker. He renewed criticism of Clinton for voting to authorize the use of force against Iraq.

Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer responded: "The reality is that Senator Obama took practically no action to end the war until he started his White House run while Senator Clinton has been a consistent critic of Iraq for many years."

Obama also teased likely Republican nominee John McCain for a foreign policy gaffe Tuesday in which McCain, touring the Middle East, said several times that Iran was training al-Qaida in Iraq. Iran is a predominantly Shiite Muslim country and has been at pains to close its borders to al-Qaida fighters of the rival Sunni sect. After another senator on the trip, Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, whispered in his ear, McCain corrected himself to say Iran was training Shiite militants.

"Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no al-Qaida ties," Obama said to laughter and applause. "Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades."

In the days before she won primaries in Texas and Ohio, Clinton argued that she was better prepared to be commander in chief and broadcast a television ad that asked who could handle a middle-of-the-night crisis. Obama countered that Clinton had bungled her crisis moment when she voted to authorize military force to oust Saddam Hussein.

Obama alluded to that ad in his speech.

"What we need in our next commander in chief is not a stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality or empty rhetoric about 3 a.m. phone calls," he said. "What we need is a pragmatic strategy that focuses on fighting our real enemies, rebuilding alliances and renewing our engagement with the world's people."

He said Clinton and McCain talk tough on national security yet make decisions that leave the country less secure.

"This is why the judgment that matters most on Iraq — and on any decision to deploy military force — is the judgment made first," Obama said.

Special forces from Fort Bragg were among the first soldiers in Iraq during the 2003 invasion and its paratroopers led last year's troop increase. President Bush visited the base to deliver his 2005 Independence Day speech, in which he warned that setting a timetable to withdraw from Iraq would only embolden terrorists.

McCain has issued similar remarks and Obama squarely rejected them.

"These are the mistaken and misleading arguments we hear from those who have failed to demonstrate how the war in Iraq has made us safer," Obama said.

Mark Salter, a senior adviser to McCain, responded: "John McCain wants American forces to come home when our clear and serious interests at stake in Iraq, which nearly 4,000 Americans have given their lives to secure, are truly safe, when al-Qaida is defeated; Iran's influence is contained, and the potential for a truly cataclysmic civil war in Iraq is remote. That, I think, is what is called 'making us safer.'"

Obama also defended his contention that the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses — a statement last year that drew criticism from Republicans.

"We have a security gap when candidates say they will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but refuse to follow him where he actually goes," Obama said, referring to McCain's vow to chase down bin Laden.

North Carolina holds its primary May 6. Obama traveled to Charlotte on Wednesday evening for a town-hall meeting and a fundraiser.

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#35. To: robin (#0)

To each their own. Personally, I wouldn't trust him to shine my shoes.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-03-19   20:12:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Hayek Fan (#35)

Given that we KNOW Hillary and McCain will be disasters, I'm willing to take a chance on the new guy.

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   20:17:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: robin (#43)

Given that we KNOW Hillary and McCain will be disasters, I'm willing to take a chance on the new guy.

Yes. A Democrat will "save us". Riiiggghhhtt. It's your vote and you have to do what you think is best. IMHO, one cannot become a United States Senator or successful presidential candidate without being a bought and paid for member of the two party fraud and their masters. The media will not allow a non-vetted member to get anywhere. As evidence, I present the presidential campaigns of Paul and Kucinich.

Mark my words, regardless of who wins the presidency, very little will change. The government will continue to grow at an unprecedented rate and our freedoms and liberties will decrease proportionally with that growth. Foreign policy in the Middle East will not change, and it is beganning to appear that the political masters may be taking an increasing interest in expoliting the resources of Africa. We will continue to be the bully of the world and use the tension this creates to whip up nationalistic feelings among the rubes of both parties, both in order to take attention away from the economy and the loss of liberties and to boost cannon-fodder numbers.

Having said that, I'm voting for whomever the Libertarian or Constitution Party candidate is. While I believe that the result of the election has already been determined, I'll at least cast my vote in opposition to the two party fraud. When it's tinme for me to become worm dirt, I'll at least know that I had nothing to do with destroying the country.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-03-19   20:43:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Hayek Fan (#59)

Both Obama and Ron Paul were against the war before it started and have said they would bring home our troops. Both Obama and Ron Paul have spoken out against the use of torture. Both Obama and Ron Paul said they would end Gitmo. Both Obama and Ron Paul have stated they would restore habeas corpus.

Ron Paul has a long history that we can confirm he means these things. The new guy doesn't. That's the gamble.

The other candidates have said none of this. Therefore we know they won't.

Have you seen the list of former presidents who belonged to CFR? Everyone must play the game at least a little.

robin  posted on  2008-03-19   21:05:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: robin (#65) (Edited)

Both Obama and Ron Paul were against the war before it started and have said they would bring home our troops. Both Obama and Ron Paul have spoken out against the use of torture. Both Obama and Ron Paul said they would end Gitmo. Both Obama and Ron Paul have stated they would restore habeas corpus.

Ron Paul has a long history that we can confirm he means these things. The new guy doesn't. That's the gamble.

Obama is a central planning collectivist who wants to use the power of government to take even more of my money in order to redistribute it to everyone He and his people think deserve it more than me and my own family. He's a crusader, which in and of itself is fine, except when he is in a position to force me to be a part of his crusade by stealing my money at gunpoint.

As I said, you have to do what you think is right, but I'm not going to vote for this POS just because he's against the war. He is everthing I have stood against my whole adult life. I haven't voted for a Republican since 1984 because I believed them to be central planning collectivists. I sure as hell won't back this yahoo just because he's against the war.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-03-19   21:17:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: Hayek Fan (#67)

who wants to use the power of government to take even more of my money in order to redistribute it to everyone He and his people think deserve it more than me and my own family.

Maybe you prefer the way Bush does this with his friends through corporate welfare and a war?

And of course, McCain will continue this evil legacy.

I know you don't but do you see what the alternatives are?

He refers to all Americans for his health care ideas, which are not like Hillary's who will penalize people who do not choose a health care plan.

And his campaign is run by every color. He would not get away with special preference of one race or group. Certainly not the way Bush has gotten away with enriching his already rich friends.

robin  posted on  2008-03-19 21:34:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Hayek Fan (#67)

but I'm not going to vote for this POS just because he's against the war.

And as if a member of the CFR is going to get elected, then go rogue and act independently. As long as there is a drop of oil in Iraq, as long as Iran is Israel's enemy, American troops will be in Iraq. This is the complete disconnect I see on the forum. People who have spent years reading and posting about the enemy within, suddenly think the system that is owned and controlled by the elite, is theirs to tap into. There must be something in the water.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-19 21:38:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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