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Title: Obama: Trust Me to End the War
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URL Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5 ... sn59np7LYG6eYS5GubXUAD8VGPQ0O0
Published: Mar 19, 2008
Author: MATT APUZZO
Post Date: 2008-03-19 19:24:29 by robin
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FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. (AP) — Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that Hillary Rodham Clinton could not be trusted to end the Iraq war because she only started opposing it when she began her bid for president. In a speech not far from North Carolina's Fort Bragg military base, the Democratic presidential hopeful told military families and local officials that the war has emboldened al-Qaida, the Taliban, Iran and North Korea. "Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?" Obama used the five-year anniversary of the Iraq invasion to again cast himself as the only true anti-war candidate, one who openly opposed the invasion as a state lawmaker. He renewed criticism of Clinton for voting to authorize the use of force against Iraq. Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer responded: "The reality is that Senator Obama took practically no action to end the war until he started his White House run while Senator Clinton has been a consistent critic of Iraq for many years." Obama also teased likely Republican nominee John McCain for a foreign policy gaffe Tuesday in which McCain, touring the Middle East, said several times that Iran was training al-Qaida in Iraq. Iran is a predominantly Shiite Muslim country and has been at pains to close its borders to al-Qaida fighters of the rival Sunni sect. After another senator on the trip, Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, whispered in his ear, McCain corrected himself to say Iran was training Shiite militants. "Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no al-Qaida ties," Obama said to laughter and applause. "Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades." In the days before she won primaries in Texas and Ohio, Clinton argued that she was better prepared to be commander in chief and broadcast a television ad that asked who could handle a middle-of-the-night crisis. Obama countered that Clinton had bungled her crisis moment when she voted to authorize military force to oust Saddam Hussein. Obama alluded to that ad in his speech. "What we need in our next commander in chief is not a stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality or empty rhetoric about 3 a.m. phone calls," he said. "What we need is a pragmatic strategy that focuses on fighting our real enemies, rebuilding alliances and renewing our engagement with the world's people." He said Clinton and McCain talk tough on national security yet make decisions that leave the country less secure. "This is why the judgment that matters most on Iraq — and on any decision to deploy military force — is the judgment made first," Obama said. Special forces from Fort Bragg were among the first soldiers in Iraq during the 2003 invasion and its paratroopers led last year's troop increase. President Bush visited the base to deliver his 2005 Independence Day speech, in which he warned that setting a timetable to withdraw from Iraq would only embolden terrorists. McCain has issued similar remarks and Obama squarely rejected them. "These are the mistaken and misleading arguments we hear from those who have failed to demonstrate how the war in Iraq has made us safer," Obama said. Mark Salter, a senior adviser to McCain, responded: "John McCain wants American forces to come home when our clear and serious interests at stake in Iraq, which nearly 4,000 Americans have given their lives to secure, are truly safe, when al-Qaida is defeated; Iran's influence is contained, and the potential for a truly cataclysmic civil war in Iraq is remote. That, I think, is what is called 'making us safer.'" Obama also defended his contention that the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses — a statement last year that drew criticism from Republicans. "We have a security gap when candidates say they will follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but refuse to follow him where he actually goes," Obama said, referring to McCain's vow to chase down bin Laden. North Carolina holds its primary May 6. Obama traveled to Charlotte on Wednesday evening for a town-hall meeting and a fundraiser.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
I know you prefer cartoons and lies from Faux News, but you might read just a little.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Don't be a stupid bitch, robin. You know better. Or do you?
Oh using foul language is a sure way to influence people. Would you care for some more rope?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I would like to influence all of you cabal-boot lickers to swallow grenades. Think I can pull it off?
Watch the money from heaven start to dry up.
Oh come on, Dubya and Darth Cheney "lost" and stole from the treasury. There's nothing left.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Thats no way to treat a lady, here or anywhere. robin and I disagree on a lot of things but that does not bring in incivility.
Who you think is tying the tin cans on Obamas tail??? All happen stance????
Did she accuse YOU of being a Faux Newzer?? I'll not be as civil next time.
Asshole...
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Dog poop eater.
A gentleman would apologize and gain a lot of respect from others.
Obama knee-pad pole smoker.
So, now I'm a he, is that it?
Are you aware, that it has been posted here, that the article on New Black Panthers that you embraced, is considered real news by Faux News reporters? Even though they must have realized it was a profile of an individual, and that anyone could have posted it.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I am near sighted, cant tell from here. Either persuasion, common civility is preferable.
I don't need Faux Newz or anyone else for that matter telling me what and who Barrack Hussein Obama the Hope and Change Agent is all about.
They want ice water in hell, too.
I guess my question for you is why you care. I don't, not about which one of these puppets gets elected. I want to know what the final selection means to America's future, that's about it.
Which one is elected makes no difference. Obama is in this mix for some unknown reason. It appears as if now the plug is being pulled on his adventure. If his "donations" dry up, that will be the true indicator.
I care because a record number of idiots are going to rubber stamp one of these traitors and another 'voter mandate' will grind what's left of America into dust. I'm astonished that Ron Paul supporters fought so hard against the cabal and now are running their lips up and down the newest demon-spawn idol, pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor.
Actually, I could care less who wins. I'm enjoying poking holes in all of the candidates. The defense of bama is hilarious to me. The guy is as left-wing as they come. To me politicians are liars (save RP) and he never had a chance b/c the real power wouldn't allow him to destroy theirs.
Trust me - I'll only stick the head in... I guess that we're that stupid. Trust me, my ass.
Scratch: ...pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor. Somewhat similar answers. Now that RP's campaign is pretty much idle, I'm just in awe at the power of the media to influence people around me.
They were never supporters in the first place. They were operatives. I think a couple got snookered by their web for extra points.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech Obama in 2002: My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don’t oppose all wars. After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again. I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. He also says he'll restore Habeas Corpus. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I'm sure you're right, except for the really stupid ones.
I think the 4 lefties who like Obama truly believed that Ron Paul was liberal in some way. I think they believe Obama is negative on Israel for some reason, perhaps the same way they believed Ron Paul was a bit of a lefty. Hope does funny things to people. It worked some magic on me during the last half of 2007.
Yup. It's all about Liberalism, nothing for Americanism. Fuuuk'em.
I disagree with your premise and take offense not at the actual label you've used, but at the idea that you used labels to begin with. These people are my friends, for the most part, and I know you are partial to at least a few of us... Don't make me start posting the Gerald McBoingBoing clips.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
Some of my 'friends' went ape shit for the cabal, too. Worthless eaters.
My paternal grandparents were hardcore new dealers, and the rest of my family has generally made a good living in the auto industry. Why should they see unions as evil?
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
To each their own. Personally, I wouldn't trust him to shine my shoes.
Ron Paul brought together a strange coalition. I don't see it holding. The easy way Obama has pulled the lefties back into the Establishment's fold sort of proves that to me. I don't see many Ron Paul supporters going back toward McCain.
LOL! Geez.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
To the extent Unions have been nothing but organized Democrat crime and had a large hand in giving us our modern mess, I see no reason. Greatest generations my a**.
Nonsense. Both Ron Paul and Obama had a grassroots beginning, many young people believed that they are not bought and paid for, and in Obama's case, not totally, yet. I have told the story here how Hillary's people bullied the Obama and Paul supporters who were in NH voting precincts to observe the vote, to leave - demanding to see their papers, it was all bogus. The both have a large grassroots following with many young people. Hillary and her machine went after both of them, and there were voting irregularities in NH. Both Ron Paul and Barack Obama were against the war from before its beginning - they are on record. I'm sure believing that we are infiltrators helps solve the mystery for you and others, but it won't wash. We have witnesses to our dedication for Ron Paul and share many of the same principles; there is a long paper trail and some of us have met in person - even at protests. After the Trotsky memo, we realized he wasn't going any further. Since Hillary and McCain are the other choices, supporting the only candidate still dedicated to ending the war, closing Gitmo and restoring Habeas Corpus is a very reasonable choice. BTW, it's more like 6, not 4.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Am I too blunt, too crude and just too much?
Not that you said so, but paid operatives here in Cyberspace would be a very poor investment. Not that it isn't done. Mossad, by the way, is rumored to have volunteer help where ever it goes.
I don't know what they thought. I just saw how they behaved. As for hope, I don't think there is shame in that. If you're honest the truth to begin with.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Given that we KNOW Hillary and McCain will be disasters, I'm willing to take a chance on the new guy.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Liar. You and Ron Paul had nothing in common if you can so easily embrace a tool of the cabal such as Obama. One way or the other, you're a fraud.
I refuse to join the GOP, to be a precinct captainneighborhood delegated somethingorother. The problem is that the Fortune 500 isn't pumping money into righteous causes, it's completely an investment deal with them.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
you oughta see this. a bunch of grandmas arrested for protesting the war. .. www.youtube.com/watch? v=fUvo0BLhCT8
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
I wouldn't know. But there are more than 4 of whatever they are.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I did not say anything about infiltrators. That's not what I was even thinking.
Why should Democrat crime be judged more harshly than Republican crime? Is that you, Col North?
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
"Get Paid to blog about the things you love."
Too much. I don't think he sees himself that way. Others might want the art for their wall though.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
He'd never admit it. However, that likeness is how the true believers see him. Forget what he really is and who he really works for.
Now you're catching on.
Did you sign up? Would you tell me if you did?
America is on its last legs, and that three CFR members, including one whose wife is a CFR member, another Clinton, and the author of SB 1378 is the GOP presumed nominee proves it.
No, and I don't know since I didn't think to sign up.
I am not a liar. Obama like Ron Paul opposed the war before it started. Both have said they would close Gitmo and restore habeas corpus. Both have spoken out against torture. However, you seem willing to say anything. Have you gone to any protests with anyone here? I have. Have you done anything with your Ron Paul MUG? I have. Have you ever met in person anyone on 4um? I have. How long have you known the posters/owners of 4um? I have known them a few years now, since before this 4um began, and I have met one of them. I have a history online that goes back to Lucianne, FR, LP and FU. I voted Republican since Nixon's 2nd term, up until '04. And I have stated this consistently. You have called me liar and a "stupid bitch" today. This does not add to your credibility, believe me.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Yes. A Democrat will "save us". Riiiggghhhtt. It's your vote and you have to do what you think is best. IMHO, one cannot become a United States Senator or successful presidential candidate without being a bought and paid for member of the two party fraud and their masters. The media will not allow a non-vetted member to get anywhere. As evidence, I present the presidential campaigns of Paul and Kucinich. Mark my words, regardless of who wins the presidency, very little will change. The government will continue to grow at an unprecedented rate and our freedoms and liberties will decrease proportionally with that growth. Foreign policy in the Middle East will not change, and it is beganning to appear that the political masters may be taking an increasing interest in expoliting the resources of Africa. We will continue to be the bully of the world and use the tension this creates to whip up nationalistic feelings among the rubes of both parties, both in order to take attention away from the economy and the loss of liberties and to boost cannon-fodder numbers. Having said that, I'm voting for whomever the Libertarian or Constitution Party candidate is. While I believe that the result of the election has already been determined, I'll at least cast my vote in opposition to the two party fraud. When it's tinme for me to become worm dirt, I'll at least know that I had nothing to do with destroying the country.
Right
People in my neighborhood go out of their way to vote for creeps like McCain and Clinton, despite every indication I see that most are dissatisfied with the status quo. I had a savant cousin married a hindu rubber girl. My family never told me the rest of the story.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
If he makes it to the WH, he will be scrutinized carefully.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I'm entertaining the notion that serious mind control fu is at work here.
However, that likeness is how the true believers see him. Forget what he really is and who he really works for. I'm not sure what they knew, know, think, want, see, or care about. Furthermore, you just can't trust what they say anymore anyway. Operatives. Trying to find advantage in a game of politics, when there are bigger things at stake. I'm still looking for someone to share the decoder ring.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Both Obama and Ron Paul were against the war before it started and have said they would bring home our troops. Both Obama and Ron Paul have spoken out against the use of torture. Both Obama and Ron Paul said they would end Gitmo. Both Obama and Ron Paul have stated they would restore habeas corpus. Ron Paul has a long history that we can confirm he means these things. The new guy doesn't. That's the gamble. The other candidates have said none of this. Therefore we know they won't. Have you seen the list of former presidents who belonged to CFR? Everyone must play the game at least a little.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I can't go along with that. It proves that we've lost the country. Getting it back does not start with voting for someone who appears to play the game a little more like the way we want it to be played.
Ron Paul has a long history that we can confirm he means these things. The new guy doesn't. That's the gamble. Obama is a central planning collectivist who wants to use the power of government to take even more of my money in order to redistribute it to everyone He and his people think deserve it more than me and my own family. He's a crusader, which in and of itself is fine, except when he is in a position to force me to be a part of his crusade by stealing my money at gunpoint. As I said, you have to do what you think is right, but I'm not going to vote for this POS just because he's against the war. He is everthing I have stood against my whole adult life. I haven't voted for a Republican since 1984 because I believed them to be central planning collectivists. I sure as hell won't back this yahoo just because he's against the war.
Then I guess you did not approve of all those former presidents. Here's a link, just search on Council on Foreign Relations. www.directoryupdate.net/presidents.html And here's another with an incomplete list (for example: Clinton and both Bushes): I will mention the names of the United States Presidents who were members of the CFR: Franklin Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jack Kennedy [also, Nixon, and George Bush when they later became U.S. President..Ed ]. Others who were considered for the presidency are Thomas E. Dewey, Adlai Stevenson, and vice-president of a CFR subsidiary, Barry Goldwater. Among the important cabinet members of the various administrations we have John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, Cordell Hull, John J. MacLeod, Robert Morganthau, Clarence Dillon, Dean Rusk, Robert McNamara, and just to emphasize the "red color" of the "CFR;" we have as members such men as Alger Hess, Ralph Bunche, Pusvolsky, Haley Dexter White (real name Weiss), Owen Lattimore, Phillip Jaffey, etc., etc.. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Maybe you prefer the way Bush does this with his friends through corporate welfare and a war? And of course, McCain will continue this evil legacy. I know you don't but do you see what the alternatives are? He refers to all Americans for his health care ideas, which are not like Hillary's who will penalize people who do not choose a health care plan. And his campaign is run by every color. He would not get away with special preference of one race or group. Certainly not the way Bush has gotten away with enriching his already rich friends.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
And as if a member of the CFR is going to get elected, then go rogue and act independently. As long as there is a drop of oil in Iraq, as long as Iran is Israel's enemy, American troops will be in Iraq. This is the complete disconnect I see on the forum. People who have spent years reading and posting about the enemy within, suddenly think the system that is owned and controlled by the elite, is theirs to tap into. There must be something in the water.
And of course, McCain will continue this evil legacy. I know you don't but do you see what the alternatives are? He refers to all Americans for his health care ideas, which are not like Hillary's who will penalize people who do not choose a health care plan. And his campaign is run by every color. He would not get away with special preference of one race or group. Certainly not the way Bush has gotten away with enriching his already rich friends. We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. I am philosophically against central planning collectivism, to include socialized healthcare. I refuse to have anything to do with him or the other two party fraud candidates. Whatever happens happens, but as I said before, I'll die knowing that I had nothing to do with it. I'll do like I've done since 1988 and vote Libertarian, or maybe Constitution Party if they have a candidate in my state.
It seems everyone is grasping for some kind of hope. I thought my hope had died years ago, then came Dr. Paul. Now that he has fizzled out, I'm right back to where I was. Oh well. What can you do but keep on keeping on.
There's always the unity onion. I'll leave to others to explain.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
you speak for me only i won't be voting. if not Ron Paul, no one.
I don't know anything about a unity onion but I know that the American people want to be tax/regulation slaves to the federal, state and local governments and are working hard to make it come to pass. Freedom and liberty are too hard for them because it entails having to take responsibility for, and living with, the consequences of their decisions and actions, be they good or bad.
He wouldn't be where he is now if he wasn't. The elite need puppets they can control.
God is always good!
Ron Paul has a long history that we can confirm he means these things. The new guy doesn't. That's the gamble. Ron Paul has a reputation for integrity and honesty. I've never heard him trash talk another candidate unless he was telling the truth. Furthermore, even John McCain once called Paul the "most honest man in Congress." Within the past few weeks, Ron Paul has said that Obama is mostly a fraud, that he has voted to fund the wars, and that he will likely expand the wars. Do you agree with Ron Paul?
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Yep. Well said. I would like to add a tiny caveat. They love the power to control others lives. Ron Paul said that should a man decide another has a cause and believes in it, let him take from his own funds. This does not sit well with some. Freedom is hard, but harder on those that pay in blood for frauds, liars and traitors.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Do you agree with Ron Paul? Ron Paul himself is not trying to overturn the apple cart. Talking a good game but then not doing anything about it, won't accomplish anything.
God is always good!
I can't see the pics for some reason, but have seen those stats before. CA was clanging the bell about the problems a decade ago, while the rest of the country laughed. Naturalized citizens overwhelmingly voted to stop unchecked illegal immigration. The 9th circuit overturned the will of the people. They did it time and again, but still the people are blamed for being too stupid to fix it. Now, the state is virtually bankrupt, and that within the last 3 years. I hear thousands of teachers are to be laid off. When the checks stop, then what? "Bubble Bubble, toil and trouble" . . . . Oh well, just walking my cat named dog.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
(joining late) Me too. Paul and Obama are 180 degrees apart, except for Barry's verbal stance on Iraq. They seem to forget that a Paul administration would do all it could do dismantle the welfare state which Obama is resolute on expanding.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
That's nice, but you completely missed the point of my post. The question is do you agree with Ron Paul's comments about Barack Obama? Try to focus on just that narrow issue for now.
1) Paul's anti-war (but so are paleocons.) 2) Paul's anti-racist (but so are neocons.) Once the war was ended, they would have opposed any Paul efforts to dismantle the federal Diversitoid machinery. You take what you can get. Same goes for me. As a recovering Respectable Conservative, I could certainly overlook Paul's refusal to commit lashon hara vis-a-vis blacks. All I really need is my rights of contract, including my right to discriminate and enter into restrictive covenants with my neighbors. :)
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Absolutely, robin. The CFR was formed by Rockefeller-tied people to promulgate global socialism. It has always had ties to the globalists in the Royal Institute for International Affairs, and the secret society that Cecil Rhodes established to unite the world under Anglo socialist dominance. One of its first overtly successful acts was to create the United Nations. A majority of America's delegates were CFR members. Edward Mandell House, the CFR's founder, had ties to the Rothschild financial empire. In a free country, we would have no membership requirements in extra-governmental organizations for candidates to be elected to any office. If our Constitution applied, the CFR might nominate an occasional candidate to one party or the other. It is clear that CFR membership is indicative of some greater purpose that has nothing to do with representative government. Once I understood this history, there was no way I could vote for CFR members. The real task before us is to break the cycle of social engineering being used to control our nation via the media. Without that, candidates who have CFR affiliations and sympathies would have to directly convince the American people to finance globalism at each step instead of assuming that they agree due to prior media manipulation.
Yes, here's to rights of contract.
There is a good argument that if our troops are in a war, even one we don't approve of, that they should receive the funding necessary for their well-being; equipment, decent food and water, air conditioning or heating, etc. Obama spoke out very strongly against the war in 2002, naming Perle, Wolfowitz and Rove by name. He understood their game, and he clearly despised them for it. Ron Paul did not call Obama a fraud, he said because he voted for more war funding, he was not a true anti-war candidate. I disagree, for the reasons above. But Dr. Paul has always held a purist ideology. I admire him very much, voted for him in the primary, but I do not agree with everything he says. For example Dr. Paul's stated opinions about 9/11.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
So you did not or would not have voted for Eisenhower or Nixon?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Not with what I know now.
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"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"
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"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"
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#9. To: robin (#7)
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Don't be a stupid bitch, robin.
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Faux Newser
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#24. To: robin (#0)
Give me a freaking break here
#25. To: _______ (#22)
JT: I'm enjoying poking holes in all of the candidates.
#26. To: buckeye (#25)
#27. To: _______ (#22)
I'm astonished that Ron Paul supporters fought so hard against the cabal and now are running their lips up and down the newest demon-spawn idol, pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor.
#28. To: lodwick (#24)
"Ask yourself," Obama told the crowd, "Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"
#29. To: Peppa (#27)
They were never supporters in the first place. They were operatives.
#30. To: Peppa, _______ (#27)
#31. To: buckeye (#30)
#32. To: buckeye (#30)
#33. To: Dakmar (#32)
#34. To: _______ (#31)
It's all about Liberalism, nothing for Americanism.
#35. To: robin (#0)
#36. To: Dakmar (#34)
#37. To: _______ (#29)
#38. To: Dakmar (#34)
#39. To: buckeye (#30)
I think the 4 lefties who like Obama truly believed that Ron Paul was liberal in some way.
#40. To: Peppa (#37)
#41. To: _______, Peppa (#29)
I'm sure you're right, except for the really stupid ones.
#42. To: buckeye (#30)
I think the 4 lefties who like Obama truly believed that Ron Paul was liberal in some way. I think they believe Obama is negative on Israel for some reason, perhaps the same way they believed Ron Paul was a bit of a lefty. Hope does funny things to people. It worked some magic on me during the last half of 2007.
#43. To: Hayek Fan (#35)
#44. To: robin (#39)
#45. To: buckeye (#36)
Ron Paul brought together a strange coalition. I don't see it holding. The easy way Obama has pulled the lefties back into the Establishment's fold sort of proves that to me. I don't see many Ron Paul supporters going back toward McCain.
#46. To: robin (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#47. To: buckeye (#41)
#48. To: buckeye (#41)
Not that you said so, but paid operatives here in Cyberspace would be a very poor investment. Not that it isn't done. Mossad, by the way, is rumored to have volunteer help where ever it goes
#49. To: robin (#39)
I'm sure believing that we are infiltrators helps solve the mystery for you and others, but it won't wash.
#50. To: _______ (#38)
To the extent Unions have been nothing but organized Democrat crime and had a large hand in giving us our modern mess, I see no reason.
#51. To: _______ (#47)
#52. To: _______ (#40)
#53. To: Peppa (#52)
I don't think he sees himself that way.
#54. To: buckeye (#51)
"Get Paid to blog about the things you love."
#55. To: buckeye (#51)
#56. To: Dakmar (#45)
The problem is that the Fortune 500 isn't pumping money into righteous causes...
#57. To: _______ (#55)
#58. To: _______ (#44)
#59. To: robin (#43)
Given that we KNOW Hillary and McCain will be disasters, I'm willing to take a chance on the new guy.
#60. To: Hayek Fan, robin (#59)
The media will not allow a non-vetted member to get anywhere.
#61. To: buckeye (#56)
one whose wife is a CFR member, another Clinton, and the author of SB 1378 is the GOP presumed nominee proves it.
#62. To: Cynicom (#9)
#63. To: Dakmar (#61)
#64. To: _______ (#53)
I don't think he sees himself that way. He'd never admit it.
#65. To: Hayek Fan (#59)
#66. To: robin (#65)
Everyone must play the game at least a little.
#67. To: robin (#65)
(Edited)
Both Obama and Ron Paul were against the war before it started and have said they would bring home our troops. Both Obama and Ron Paul have spoken out against the use of torture. Both Obama and Ron Paul said they would end Gitmo. Both Obama and Ron Paul have stated they would restore habeas corpus.
#68. To: buckeye (#66)
#69. To: Hayek Fan (#67)
who wants to use the power of government to take even more of my money in order to redistribute it to everyone He and his people think deserve it more than me and my own family.
#70. To: Hayek Fan (#67)
but I'm not going to vote for this POS just because he's against the war.
#71. To: robin (#69)
Maybe you prefer the way Bush does this with his friends through corporate welfare and a war?
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#70)
And as if a member of the CFR is going to get elected, then go rogue and act independently. As long as there is a drop of oil in Iraq, as long as Iran is Israel's enemy, American troops will be in Iraq. This is the complete disconnect I see on the forum. People who have spent years reading and posting about the enemy within, suddenly think the system that is owned and controlled by the elite, is theirs to tap into. There must be something in the water.
#73. To: Hayek Fan (#72)
It seems everyone is grasping for some kind of hope. I thought my hope had died years ago, then came Dr. Paul. Now that he has fizzled out, I'm right back to where I was. Oh well. What can you do but keep on keeping on.
#74. To: Hayek Fan (#71)
I am philosophically against central planning collectivism, to include socialized healthcare. I refuse to have anything to do with him or the other two party fraud candidates. Whatever happens happens, but as I said before, I'll die knowing that I had nothing to do with it.
#75. To: Peppa (#73)
There's always the unity onion. I'll leave to others to explain.
#76. To: _______ (#14)
Obama knee-pad pole smoker.
#77. To: robin (#65)
Both Obama and Ron Paul were against the war before it started and have said they would bring home our troops. Both Obama and Ron Paul have spoken out against the use of torture. Both Obama and Ron Paul said they would end Gitmo. Both Obama and Ron Paul have stated they would restore habeas corpus.
#78. To: Peppa (#73)
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
HOW CAN YOU HELP? Send copies of this letter to at least two other people .. 100 would be even better.
#79. To: Hayek Fan (#75)
but I know that the American people want to be tax/regulation slaves to the federal, state and local governments and are working hard to make it come to pass. Freedom and liberty are too hard for them because it entails having to take responsibility for, and living with, the consequences of their decisions and actions, be they good or bad.
#80. To: Vitamin Z (#77)
Within the past few weeks, Ron Paul has said that Obama is mostly a fraud, that he has voted to fund the wars, and that he will likely expand the wars.
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
#82. To: _______ (#22)
I'm astonished that Ron Paul supporters fought so hard against the cabal and now are running their lips up and down the newest demon-spawn idol, pushing a Black Nationalist Marxist Africa-first traitor.
#83. To: RickyJ (#80)
Ron Paul himself is not trying to overturn the apple cart. Talking a good game but then not doing anything about it, won't accomplish anything.
#84. To: buckeye (#30)
I think the 4 lefties who like Obama truly believed that Ron Paul was liberal in some way.
#85. To: robin (#68)
Then I guess you did not approve of all those former presidents.
#86. To: Tauzero (#84)
#87. To: Vitamin Z (#77)
#88. To: buckeye (#85)
#89. To: robin (#88)
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