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Title: Pay Attention to Barack Obama's Theology
Source: Abolishing Socialist Slavery
URL Source: http://christianprophecy.blogspot.com/
Published: Mar 20, 2008
Author: unk
Post Date: 2008-03-21 10:40:14 by Peppa
Keywords: Obama
Views: 556
Comments: 49

"Appearances deceive but can be changed. Reality is changeless. It does not deceive at all. And if you fail to see beyond appearances, you ARE deceived." ~ Jesus Christ (Modern revelation)

Barack Obama would love the American public to believe he is somehow spiritually advanced or at least a devotee of Christianity. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Barack Obama's "Christianity" is Marxism restated using Christian terms, a particularly deceitful expression of the leftist slogan: "the end justifies the means."

Except for the hijacked terminology, there is nothing Christian about Obama's heresy. Obama is a long time champion of what is known as "Liberation Theology," an attempt to redefine Christianity in Marxist terms. In Liberation Theology, lip service is given Jesus Christ as our redeemer and savior, but first priority is given to the myth that the Christ taught liberating the poor and oppressed through political activism.

Obama is hoping nobody has really read the Bible, because the Gospels clearly indicate that Jesus was not interested in using politics to gain his ends:

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight.... (John 18:36)

The disciples of Jesus understood that they had no obligation to pay taxes because taxation is not God's way, but Jesus used an encounter with pharisees (lawyers attempting to trick him) to indicate what was really important:

"Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." (Matthew 22:17-21)

Obama's agenda is embodied in the communist slogan: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," which translated into Obama's political language becomes: "Use government force to rob producers, then redistribute the booty to non-producers (with politicians and bureaucrats receiving a handsome cut)." The utter evil of such an agenda is spelled out in detail in Ayn Rand's novel, "Atlas Shrugged," but can also easily be inferred from the Gospels. Jesus never levied a tax on anyone, nor robbed anyone. Nor did Jesus ever teach his disciples to tax anyone or rob anyone.

What Jesus actually taught, what Obama is not satisfied with, is voluntary sharing and charity. There is great spiritual benefit, "treasure in heaven," from voluntarily giving, voluntarily helping those in need:

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." (Mark:10-21)

What Jesus did not do, but Barack Obama craves to do, is hold a government gun to the head of the rich young man and say: "I am forcing you to give to the poor."

Could it be that Barack Obama has never read Christian Scripture? Or is it more likely that the Marxist indoctrination of his young years has rendered him thoroughly blind and deaf to true justice?

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I read that Obama came to the church as an adult, so, I'm not exactly sure how this author characterizes the 'young years'.

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#1. To: Peppa (#0)

Barack Obama's "Christianity" is Marxism restated using Christian terms

.................

What Jesus actually taught, what Obama is not satisfied with, is voluntary sharing and charity. There is great spiritual benefit, "treasure in heaven," from voluntarily giving, voluntarily helping those in need:

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." (Mark:10-21)

La de-duhhhhhhhhhhh. Is the Bible coated with flouride?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   11:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Peppa (#0)

So, I'm supposed to sell everything and give it to the poor, or am I supposed to sell everything, give some unspecified portion of it to the poor and bring the rest to church?

Or, did some or all of that only apply to the particular person supposedly being addressed there?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   11:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#1)

Jesus looked at him and loved him

Sigh......

I want to piss on the graves of all the talmudic dirtbags who had a hand in writing this abominable excrement and who then clubbed everyone over the head with it. Christianity is insanity.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   11:34:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Peppa (#0)

What Jesus did not do, but Barack Obama craves to do, is hold a government gun to the head of the rich young man and say: "I am forcing you to give to the poor."

Oh. I get it now. Everyone can still be a Christian and not do what it takes.

.... and from this comes what?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   11:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nobody (#4)

Oh. I get it now. Everyone can still be a Christian and not do what it takes.

"What Jesus actually taught, what Obama is not satisfied with, is voluntary sharing and charity. There is great spiritual benefit, "treasure in heaven," from voluntarily giving, voluntarily helping those in need: "

.... and from this comes what?

Treasures in heaven.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-21   13:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peppa (#5) (Edited)

Seems you've completely missed the apparently hypocrisy of claiming to be a Christian without first performing the senseless and socially irresponsible acts of selling everything and giving your money to others merely because they are poor.

Sure, it's not forced, it's a choice, but the only two options for a Christian are apparently rank hypocrisy and foolish irresponsibility

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   17:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nobody (#2)

Or, did some or all of that only apply to the particular person supposedly being addressed there?

It applied to the individual being addressed. Or others like him. He had an obsession with money. That is my take on it anyway.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-21   17:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nobody (#6)

Seems you've completely missed the apparently hypocrisy of claiming to be a Christian without first performing the senseless and socially irresponsible acts of selling everything and giving your money to others merely because they are poor.

Basically, your on your own. Accept what you want or don't. You can always go to the website and take it up with him directly to extract whatever satisfaction or information you are looking for. I can't help you. Good Luck!

Happy Easter!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-21   17:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Old Friend (#7) (Edited)

It applied to the individual being addressed. Or others like him. He had an obsession with money. That is my take on it anyway.

If the author has the same take as you, it is not at all evident, not in the very least. The author is either suggesting it applies to everyone and it is only some apparently-imagined optionality about it that is the only thing worth adding, or the author is implying that it is optional for the money-obsessed though they still wish to be Christian regardless. You are apparently not absolutely sure yourself. In any event, I believe it is generally irresponsible to give away all of one's money unless it's through a will. With inflation as unpredictable as it is, it is no trivial task to decide if one is "money-obsessed", either. It is all up to the reader to decide, it seems.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   17:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Peppa (#0)

On NPR today I heard a theologian point out that Jesus was executed according to Roman law, but was raised by God in exact opposition to that man-made law.

As far as I'm concerned, Christianity never supports the government when it murders or lies or steals, which means, I sincerely hope, that blasphemers like John Hagee are going straight to the Hell he and others like him so richly deserve.

The same goes for all those "Christians" supporting Bush and his wars.

Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-21   17:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Old Friend (#7) (Edited)

Was Jesus forcing anyone to do something, for example with their money, when he physically and notably unsuccessfully attempted to give a temple meaning and activity that it did not have? Is that the act of someone who's "kingdom is not of this world"?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   17:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: YertleTurtle (#10)

On NPR today I heard a theologian point out that Jesus was executed according to Roman law, but was raised by God in exact opposition to that man-made law.

As far as I'm concerned, Christianity never supports the government when it murders or lies or steals, which means, I sincerely hope, that blasphemers like John Hagee are going straight to the Hell he and others like him so richly deserve.

The same goes for all those "Christians" supporting Bush and his wars.

Those of any faith that buy into mans law that pervert Gods Law, will not escape judgement, as I understand the way it works. Goober nation has no borders.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-21   17:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Peppa (#5) (Edited)

Once a rich man gives away only enough to not be rich, he apparently need do no more to be eligible to be a Christian, because he is not rich any more, he is not money-obsessed - if logic prevails - so why the extra and irresponsible step of giving it all away? Here's a guy who gave away his riches, went an extra step, to be non-rich, and he still has this extra obstacle if he keeps enough to support himself. Is that fair? Why is he not forgiven?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   18:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Old Friend (#7)

Seems I should ask you this, instead of the other person:

Once a rich man gives away only enough to not be rich, he apparently need do no more to be eligible to be a Christian, because he is not rich any more, he is not money-obsessed - if logic prevails - so why the extra and irresponsible step of giving it all away? Here's a guy who gave away his riches, went an extra step, to be non-rich, and he still has this extra obstacle if he keeps enough to support himself. Is that fair? Why is he not forgiven?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   18:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: YertleTurtle (#10)

Why didn't Jesus send an advance notice to the building that he was going to go into and bust up?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-21   18:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nobody (#14)

so why the extra and irresponsible step of giving it all away?

Haven't you heard that giving makes you more happy than buying for yourself? It's all the buzz lately.

Besides isn't there a reaping and sowing concept. So if the rich man would have had faith in god and not his money and gave it away. Wouldn't he get it back when he reaps. Then he would have learned that to put his faith in the Lord is wiser than putting it in money and material things.

Just some thoughts, i'm not a biblical scholar.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-22   8:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: YertleTurtle (#10)

blasphemers like John Hagee

I don't know everything abut Hagee. But I am curious as to what his blasphemies are.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-22   8:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nobody (#15)

Why didn't Jesus send an advance notice to the building that he was going to go into and bust up?

Obviously because he didn't feel a need to and didn't want to.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-22   8:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Peppa (#0)

This blog looks like Gordon Gekko's website.

We'll elect a President in November, not a king.

Split your ticket ... vote for for deadlock.

The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-22   8:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Old Friend (#17)

I don't know everything abut Hagee. But I am curious as to what his blasphemies are.

Supports war, calls Jews "God's precious people," clamins Jesus was not their Messiah. He's a Christian Zionist nut.

Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-22   9:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: iconoclast, robin, YertleTurtle, Jethro Tull (#19)

See more about Cathy O'Brian here. She's the blond at :57

Lampe Missouri was also the place where I heard George Bush and Bill Clinton talking. From the point of view I had, they certainly were friends, they didn't recognise any party lines between them. That's a smoking mirrors illusion for the public. It's not something they adhere to because they had exactly the same agenda, and that was for bringing in this New World Order.

I heard George Bush, at that time, talking to Bill Clinton, and I've since photographically recorded it and wrote it verbatim in our book. That when the American public became disillusioned with the Republicans leading them into the New World Order, that Bill Clinton as a Democrat was going to be put into the office of President. This was decided in 1984. Actually, I'd heard about it even prior to that. But as of 1984, they were already discussing it as an absolute fact.
If you think we're going to get "deadlock" from one of these nitwits, you're in for a terrible surprise come February, 2009.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-22   9:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeye (#21)

That when the American public became disillusioned with the Republicans leading them into the New World Order, that Bill Clinton as a Democrat was going to be put into the office of President. This was decided in 1984.

this one's already been decided too. question? do you think Ron Paul is aware of this?

christine  posted on  2008-03-22   10:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: iconoclast (#19) (Edited)

This blog looks like Gordon Gekko's website.

The character from Wall Street? Okayyyyyy.

We'll elect a President in November, not a king.

I don't know the perks, are the same and they get the special football.

Split your ticket ... vote for for deadlock.

Deadlock. Interesting phrase.

Well anyway, I'm not voting FOR Baraka McClinton in any form. The argument to vote Obama to vote against McClinton, is absurd.

There is not one single thing, nothing, zero, that Obama offers that benefits anyone. He is owned, he is worse than McClinton in that his BS factor has not been properly scrutinized. But who doesn't like a new puppy?

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-22   10:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#22)

I wonder what the meaning of "aware" is in this context. Fish swim in water. Our view of reality is social and cultural. That has been manipulated by public education and consolidated media for more than 100 years. O'Brien is saying that the water has been replaced for us fish. Since a free civilization needs truth to exist, our reality contains enough "oxygen" to survive. But the untruths harm us in ways as yet not fully understood.

What would Ron Paul need to "know" that O'Brien has mentioned? If there is a specific conspiracy to make Bush and Clinton look different in order to recruit disillusioned voters, how different would it look than anything Ron Paul has described? Let's recap some of the things we've posted here and discussed:

  1. Ron Paul is the only anti-war Republican.
  2. Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, and Dennis Kucinich were all sidelined in the debates and in the media.
  3. The three current leading candidates have all paid homage to Israel, the Federal Reserve system, the Internal Revenue System, the CIA and FBI, and the Council on Foreign Relations, yet the press continues to dramatize their "differences."
  4. Ron Paul has said there is a conspiracy of ideas. Yes, some people think the world should all be interconnected, and others think sovereignty trumps all else.
  5. Ron Paul has said that resistance to his campaign would become "intense" and "fierce."
  6. Ron Paul's words do nothing less than describe the enslavement of our nation to fractional banking.
Ron Paul speaks to those who listen. Does he "know" that this was decided in 1984? I doubt that. He's probably thinking more along the lines of 1913.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-22   11:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeye (#24)

3. The three current leading candidates have all paid homage to Israel, the Federal Reserve system, the Internal Revenue System, the CIA and FBI, and the Council on Foreign Relations, yet the press continues to dramatize their "differences."

Buck, follow the money.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-22   11:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#25)

I suspect that average Americans don't want to know what that money trail means. If they think they have any security left, they may believe it comes from the financial establishment. This is odd, given the number of pension funds that have been failing over the past 30 years.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-22   11:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeye (#24)

He's probably thinking more along the lines of 1913.

excellent answer to my question. i'm glad i asked you, buckeye. i think you're correct about RP's thinking more along the lines of 1913 and his real mission was to educate as many americans about this as he could.

christine  posted on  2008-03-22   12:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Peppa, all (#0)

If Obama was capable of sitting thru 20 years of this white racist swill, he isn't fit to lead the night shift at McDonald's, never mind the nation.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-22   13:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

he isn't fit to lead the night shift at McDonald's

He doesn't know Spanish?


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-22   13:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Old Friend (#16) (Edited)

i'm not a biblical scholar

Seems you're making more sense than anyone else who has attempted to answer my questions. I still see that only a fraudulent mystic cult can arise from the Bible, however.

.... and who among us has never dreamed of riches with desire?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-22   13:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Peppa (#0)

I'm not exactly sure how this author characterizes the 'young years'.

Before Obama joined the church, he flirted with radical left-wing politics.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-22   13:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: MUDDOG (#29)

It's all about ebonics, baby.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-22   13:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: YertleTurtle (#20)

calls Jews "God's precious people," clamins Jesus was not their Messiah. He's a Christian Zionist nut.

IIRC, the way it was presented by the story on this forum is that Hagee claimed Jesus was not anyone's messiah. Perhaps you're right, because otherwise he's obviously objectively nuts to call himself any sort of Christian at the same time.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-22   13:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nobody (#30)

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-22   13:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: nobody (#30)

I still see that only a fraudulent mystic cult can arise from the Bible, however.

I see it differently. I see the Bible as something reliable that you can count on. Sure people take it out of context. They misquote from it and distort it. But it is my belief that you can trust it if you take to heart what it is really saying. Don't distort just take it for what it says and try to make sense of it. If something doesn't make sense it may in the future when you have more knowledge. And thanks for the kind words.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-22   13:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Old Friend (#34)

I am suffering a crisis of confidence in Christianity. I could play a better devil's advocate here, but it's not in me right now.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-22   13:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: YertleTurtle (#20)

clamins Jesus was not their Messiah.

I've never heard that one. But then again I have hardly seen Hagee preach.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-03-22   13:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

If Obama was capable of sitting thru 20 years of this white racist swill, he isn't fit to lead the night shift at McDonald's, never mind the nation.

I feel the same way.

That alone is a deal-breaker. For all the love that gramma showed him, that was the thanks she got? Not a, hey wait a minute there preacher man, what you are saying isn't quite square in your thinking. More reading about Pastor Wright has caused me to reject ANY reasons offered as to why that sort of person was an advisor. In fact, no reason was offered.. other than, he's like an uncle to me. He has a degree. Surely no one asked him to toss a mentor or a close friend out ofhis private friendship circle, but to sit as an advisor? Hell no. And this is a man who claims he has good judgment? Hahahahaha!! He's been caught in lie after lie, tossed his gramma, his pastor and his church overboard for???????????? He didn't see this coming??? Please.

Well, the bat-eared Marxist commie socialist unity social justice fraud, can take a flying leap. YES WE CAN!! Uh, No you're not. It's shake and bake and I can help!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-22   13:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: MUDDOG (#31)

I'm not exactly sure how this author characterizes the 'young years'. Before Obama joined the church, he flirted with radical left-wing politics.

I see.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-22   14:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa (#23)

There is not one single thing, nothing, zero, that Obama offers that benefits anyone. He is owned, he is worse than McClinton in that his BS factor has not been properly scrutinized.

Hilary's owned by Satan.

Have a caution for your credibility.

The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-22   21:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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