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Title: Author challenges claim that Jesus lived in Nazareth
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Published: Mar 21, 2008
Author: Jeff Wright
Post Date: 2008-03-21 13:45:17 by Ferret Mike
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Just in time for Easter, a Eugene author this weekend will unveil his new book arguing that Jesus did not hail from Nazareth — because Nazareth did not exist during Jesus’ lifetime. Rene Salm will talk about his book, “The Myth of Nazareth: The Invented Town of Jesus,” at the American Atheists’ national conference in Minneapolis. He also will rub shoulders there with the likes of Richard Dawkins, author of the best-selling ode to atheism, “The God Delusion.” But Salm, a 55-year-old mental health worker and published composer of classical music, insists he’s not anti-Christian — pointing to the framed drawing of Jesus and many books on Christianity that adorn his home library as evidence. “I do consider myself an atheist but I am not anti-religion,” said Salm, who is also a longtime student of Buddhism. “I am a very spiritual person.” Salm has spent the past eight years researching his book, a 375-page work that is carefully indexed and footnoted. Working intensively at the University of Oregon Knight Library and its lending library, Salm said he has scoured almost all of the archaeological and other relevant records relating to the biblical community of Nazareth. He said he hired a Hebrew translator to help him make sense of one document, and contacted another researcher who lives in France. But what does it matter where Jesus actually lived? “It’s the domino effect,” said Salm. “If Nazareth goes, then a whole lot of other so-called facts about Jesus also go out the window.” Salm said he suspects early Christian evangelists insisted that Jesus came from Nazareth because the “inerrant” Bible said he did, and because they wished to promote the idea of Jesus as a divine savior. Salm said it’s more likely Jesus grew up in Judea, where belief in human divinity did not exist. Such a belief “was very non-Jewish, even heresy,” he said. Salm rests his case on two main points: All the tombs that have been found in and around Nazareth date no further back than A.D. 50, and all the oil lamps date from between A.D. 25 and A.D. 135. “Nazareth appears to have begun about 70 years after the life of Jesus,” he said. “Before then, there is no evidence for Nazareth.” For more than 100 years, scholars have debated such aspects of the Gospels as the Resurrection, virgin birth and Jesus’ miracles, Salm said. “But those all boil down to my opinion vs. your opinion,” he said. “This you can arguably prove. This is based on digging in the ground.” Salm concedes he does not have the academic credentials — doctoral degree, university teaching post or peer-reviewed journal articles — that would lend weight to his research. “If I can get the attention of scholars, I could have a radical impact,” he said. “All the people who have lampooned (my book) have, to a person, not read it.” Salm said the book’s topic “fell into my lap” about 10 years ago when he was discussing it with other scholars online. “My first reaction was, this is kooky,” he said. He decided to explore the topic at the UO library, figuring he could disprove the claim within an hour. “Instead I found an 1899 encyclopedia that said it was ‘very doubtful’ that Jesus came from Nazareth.” Salm grew up in Beirut, where his father worked for the U.S. Embassy, but moved to Eugene in time for his senior year in high school. A spiritual experience in the woods at age 21, he said, has guided his lifelong passion in Christian and Buddhist studies. “I’m looking for understanding, I’m looking for the facts,” he said. “It’s not so important to me what the facts are as much as they are true.”
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Jesus, as in Jesus the Nazarene. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Nope, he's an atheist.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Lots of Jews are atheists. Jew is a racial determination exclusive of religious belief. Some ethnic Jews are Christians. While I'm not making an attempt to support the notion of Christ having existed at all, or in Nazareth, I would simply ask why the authors of those books would claim Nazareth as his residence when it would be simple enough to use any established city. Further, wouldn't it be possible that Nazarene referenced a sect based upon the name of some person that established the (Nazarene) sect and later on a city was named for him ? All I'm trying to say is that without having read Mr. Salm's book I would think there are questions that may never be answered related to Jesus, simply due to the time that has passed. I notice much effort to destroy the Christ message by many factions including Jews. This causes me to distrust their motives when no one is forcing them to believe anything. I have a lot of questions related to the Bible, especially the New Testament, however I don't feel compelled to bash Jesus specifically. The Old Testament was well established and recorded prior to the time of "New Testament" documentation. It would be far more difficult to "change" or "alter" the Old Books than it would be to draft new texts (with a new message) a generation or so later. The New Testament Texts (as well as the old) became part of scripture at the Nicene Convention in 325 AD ... and I fear political advantage played a huge part in determining the content that was ordained there.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
Eugene, OR.? Fruits-and-Nuts-North.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Atheists are not an ethnic group.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Red flag for a nut.
Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist or Communist or Nazi everytime.
But Salm, a 55-year-old mental health worker and published composer of classical music, insists he’s not anti-Christian — pointing to the framed drawing of Jesus and many books on Christianity that adorn his home library as evidence. “I do consider myself an atheist but I am not anti-religion,” said Salm, who is also a longtime student of Buddhism. “I am a very spiritual person.” ..... But what does it matter where Jesus actually lived? “It’s the domino effect,” said Salm. “If Nazareth goes, then a whole lot of other so-called facts about Jesus also go out the window.” and there's the truth of the matter....he'd like to see Jesus go away. imo, this is another manifestaton of the continuation of the Danite [Samson, a Nazarite, was of the tribe of Dan] plot against Christ, upon whose shoulders the world is resting [Isaiah 9:6], contrary to the fervent desires of the Tribe of Dan: ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1401 , who are trying to reinstate the old world order Christ destroyed with their Judeo-British Israel apostate politico-religion. Here: http://scepterofjudah.net/ "....the authority of the Sanhedrin had already been passed to the Romans. Panic Reaction When the members of the Sanhedrin found themselves deprived of their right over life and death, they covered their heads with ashes and their bodies with sackcloth, and bemoaned, "Woe unto us for the scepter has departed from Judah and the Messiah has not come!"10 They actually thought that the Torah, the Word of God, had failed! They should have known better. The scepter had, indeed, been removed from Judah, but Shiloh had come. While the Jews wept in the streets of Jerusalem, a young son of a carpenter was growing up in **** Nazareth. He would present Himself as the Meshiach Nagid, Messiah the King, on the very day which had been predicted by the Angel Gabriel to Daniel five centuries earlier.11 (In fact, every detail of His life had been foretold centuries earlier.) ....." A Christmas Promise: THE SCEPTER OF JUDAH http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=76053 Mat 2:19 ¶ But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Mat 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life. Mat 2:21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. Mat 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: Mat 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat002.html#23 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/2/23.html [note Jdg 13:5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines. note who this was spoken to: the parents of Samson, of THE TRIBE OF DAN. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg013.html#5 Note also Samson would only BEGIN to deliver Israel....David finished the job of delivering Israel from the Philistines.... http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/5.html .....just like Jesus Christ will finish the job of delivering the New Revived Israel [the Church] from the hand of the antiChrist tribe of Dan : THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN - THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST http://watch.pair.com/dan.html ".....Judaeans in Gilead of Machir are believed to have bordered Dan and to be those named "Judah upon Jordan toward the sunrising" in the Book of Joshua (19;34). Thus, Dan and Judah were neighbors in north and south Israel. In Jewish tradition Judah and Dan are often juxtapositioned. Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. **** Samson, in some respects, was considered a forerunner of the Messiah who will come from Judah but his mother, according to the Midrash (Gen. Rab. 49; 9) will be of the Tribe of Dan. A lion represented both Judah and Dan, though Dan has additional symbols such as the snake and ***** dragon......" The Tribe of Dan: Present Day Identifications The Tribe of Dan and peoples descended from Dan http://www.britam.org/dan.html re: the dragon....see the Jew Money Power book The Great Red Dragon at http://greatreddragon.com . The dragon is also the symbol of The City of London. The City of London is the one-square mile nation-within-a-nation that is representative of the "nation" in Genesis 15:14, that has enslaved the seed of Abraham [Galatians 3:16-29], the church in America, for 401 years this April 19. I found this interesting, as well: "...After the Ten Tribes had been exiled, the Yaati (Utii) were to be found in Carmania (southwest Iran) bordering the Dangalae whose name implies "Dan-of-the Galilee". ...." I've often thought that is partly who was referred to here [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/2.html ]: and FINALLY! I think I just found the connection between Dan and Cain [Jesus told the Pharisees, you are of your father the Devil], the spiritual or otherwise seed of Satan, and whose spiritual or otherwise seed was on the ark, and whose curse continued on Canaan: "....Dan, situated on the northern border of the area given to Israel, was very slack about driving out the pagan Canaanites in their midst. They didn't always participate in the collective defense or offense of Israel as they should have. When Deborah sang about her victory over the Canaanite king Jabin, she asked, "And why did Dan remain on ships?" ( Judges 5:17)......" Why is the tribe of Dan NOT mentioned in the book of Revelation? www.biblestudy.org/questi...n-book-of-revelation.html So, of course, they would have intermarried with them! btw, the offspring of Judah these people claim to descend from is not Pharez, who produced Christ, but his twin Zarah, of the scarlet cord. Hopefully, you can see why it becomes necessary for them to deny that Nazareth exists: so they can knock Christ off His throne, in order that they may put one of their own from the tribe of Dan on it. A lot of those cities were destroyed and built over many times. Each new layer is called a Tel. Tel Dan is now called Tell Al-Qadi..... Welcome to the Dan Expedition « Tel Dan Excavations Tel Dan is one of the most important sites for the archaeological and ... of Tell al-Qadi (as the site is known in Arabic) with the biblical city of Dan. ... http://teldan.wordpress.com/ If they dig deep enough, I'll bet they'll find Nazareth, if indeed, they haven't already.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Of course Christianity is a farce, but then, it shines in comparison to Wicca, whose believers think they actually have magical powers. LOL!!!
All life has magic powers and can alter reality. Christians call what we do in Wicca prayer. Your flaming does not bother me. If you don't like Wicca, don't read about it or practice it.
I was just razzin' ya. I don't care what you or anyone else believes. I only get bent out of shape when people tell me I'm going to rot in hell because I don't subscribe to their interpretation of the Bible. Not a single one of these holier than thou nutbars can tell me what makes their interpretation any more valid than any one else's interpretation. No offense meant.
#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
“I do consider myself an atheist but I am not anti-religion,” said Salm, who is also a longtime student of Buddhism. “I am a very spiritual person.”
#3. To: Ferret Mike, ghostdogtxn (#0)
INRI is an acronym of the Latin phrase IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM, which translates to English as: "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews". It appears in the New Testament of the Christian Bible in the Gospel of John (19:19). Each of the other accounts for Jesus's death have a slightly different sign: Matthew (27:37) "This is Jesus the King of the Jews"; Mark (15:26) "The King of the Jews"; and Luke (KJV) "This is the King of the Jews". The title was written in Hebrew and Greek and Latin.
#4. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy, till you find a large rock.
#5. To: christine (#2)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
Nope, he's an atheist.
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
Nope, he's an atheist.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
“I am a very spiritual person.”
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
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#12. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#13. To: Hayek Fan (#12)
"Of course Christianity is a farce, but then, it shines in comparison to Wicca, whose believers think they actually have magical powers. LOL!!!"
Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy, till you find a large rock.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
All life has magic powers and can alter reality. Christians call what we do in Wicca prayer. Your flaming does not bother me. If you don't like Wicca, don't read about it or practice it.
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