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(s)Elections See other (s)Elections Articles Title: Crossover Voting is a 5th Degree Felony in Some States (like Ohio) Butler County in southwest Ohio is the most Republican county of all Ohio's 88 counties. 26 county offices and none of them are held by Democrats. Yet, the strangest thing happened on Tuesday... the Butler County Democratic Party increased in registered members by over 200% and now has more registered members than the Republican Party. Hillary Clinton won this county in the Democratic Primary by 10%. Poster Comment: Did Limbaugh's Crossover Voters Break Ohio Law? A reader tipped me off to an issue that's come up with crossover voters in Ohio. It seems that some Republican voters have bragged online that they voted Democratic ballots in the Ohio March 4th primary in order to influence the outcome of the presidential election. Essentially, they wanted to help Hillary Clinton win the Democratic nomination over Barack Obama because they think she's the weaker candidate and would lose against Republican John McCain in November. The so-called Republican "plot" was instigated by conservative radio talker Rush Limbaugh (at right) who urged Republican voters in Ohio and Texas before the election to cross over for the primary to rig the nomination for the November election. Voters in those states could do this at the last minute because their local election laws allow voters to change party affiliation at the polls. Here's a post made by one voter who bragged about switching: It's clear that cross-over voting occurred in large numbers in Ohio this year. The Ohio secretary of state's office doesn't have statistics yet on how many voters crossed parties in the primary (it's still compiling them), but the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that in Cuyahoga County alone, the state's largest county, at least 16,000 Republicans switched parties for the primary. The statewide numbers of cross-over voters could be large, since the secretary of state's office reports that the number of Democratic ballots cast in this primary as opposed to the number cast in the 2004 presidential primary increased by nearly a million, or 76 percent. (In comparison, the number of Republican ballots cast this year increased by only about 100,000, or 11 percent. These numbers do not include absentee, provisional and overseas ballots, which are still being counted.) It's unclear at this point how many of those million extra Democratic ballots can be attributed to cross-over Republicans, as opposed to new voters casting ballots for the first time. It's also unclear how many voters crossed over because they sincerely preferred the Democratic options to the Republican ones. But what about those who didn't and broke the law? Would they be prosecuted and would their vote be counted? Dan Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University's Moritz College of Law who specializes in election law, says it's debatable whether Ohio's law is enforceable and says that even if it is enforceable the likelihood that anyone would be prosecuted under it is "infinitesimally small." First of all, the law pertains only to a voter who was challenged by poll workers as to his sincerity and signed an affidavit swearing to that sincerity. The secretary of state's office told me that poll workers are supposed to have anyone who switches parties at the polls sign such a statement. The Cleveland Plain Dealer also reported that any voter who switches parties must sign an affidavit. But Tokaji says it's not clear from the law that the poll worker has an obligation to challenge the voter and have them sign such a statement, and many poll workers did not do this. Tokaji says that under Ohio law poll workers have the ability to challenge a voter if they believe the voter isn't affiliated with or a member of the political party he's claiming to support in the primary. A poll worker can challenge a voter's membership to the party based on which party the voter voted in the two previous election cycles. Once challenged, a voter has to sign an affidavit expressing support for the principles of his new party, which states clearly that committing election falsification is a felony of the fifth degree. But a voter can refuse to sign the affidavit and still cast a ballot, though he must cast a provisional ballot in this case. Either way, it's clear from statements that some cross-over voters made online that some poll workers did not challenge voters who crossed over and did not have them sign affidavits. But even those who did sign a statement and did so disingenuously would likely not face prosecution, Tokaji says, unless they were blatant about what they did, such as bragging online about it, and could be identified. "If after doing this the person gets online and says 'Ha, ha ha. I tricked them and signed this statement,' maybe then we could imagine someone being prosecuted," he says. But even then, he thinks the likelihood that they would be prosecuted is close to nil. By the way, cross over voting for purposes of affecting an election isn't limited to Republicans. A spokesman for the Ohio secretary of state's office said it always happens in presidential elections and also occurred during the 2006 gubernatorial primary election when Democratic voters crossed over to cast ballots in the Republican primary for Kenneth Blackwell because they thought he would more likely lose in a race against the Democratic candidate for governor. (Hat tip: Jon Pincus) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top Page Up Full Thread Page Down Bottom/Latest
#1. To: robin (#0)
You mean I might be a felon, feloner, felonist or whatever???? Good heavens, dont tell.
Just thought you should know. Limbaugh never bothered to warn his listeners.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. Thats what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.' Alan Dershowitz
Silliness. The vote-police have not bashed in my door yet and I don't expect it to happen.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
How clever will their plan seem when Hillary defeats McCain?
Limbaugh's motives, however, have been perfectly clear from the start. "I'm asking people to cross over, and if they can stomach it and I know it's a difficult thing to do, vote for Clinton," Limbaugh said before the Ohio primary. The goal, he explained, was to ensure Barack Obama was "bloodied up politically" and to extend the Democratic primary "soap opera." 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. Thats what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.' Alan Dershowitz
There was a large article in local rag last week about the County being swamped by ind and pub voters changing to democrat. Gov. Rendell said the voters were not willing to accept a black president. Then the switch started.
Interesting.
I do hope they make Limbaugh uncomfortable, post #5.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. Thats what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.' Alan Dershowitz
Anyone who would actually do this just because Rush suggested it shouldn't be voting IMO.
I don't know if what Limbaugh is urging is illegal under PA law. But, if it is, he can't plead ignorance of the law after this. Let's see if he continues his Operation Chaos urgings. It would be hard to prove any criminal intent by individual voters. But Limbaugh is making it quite clear what intent he wants them to have, and it is the intent criminalized by this Ohio law. Maybe they can't prosecute him in Ohio because of jurisdictional problems, but there should be no jurisdictional problems with the Ohio stations that broadcast him (which can hardly plead ignorance of Ohio law.) And the same goes for Pennsylvania, if Pennsylvania law prohibits this.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Let's see if he continues his Operation Chaos urgings. Illegal???? Whatever gave you such an impression. In Pa. I may change my registration anytime and as many times as I desire, the only restriction being a cutoff date prior to voting. Also, do you not give people at least a little sign of intelligence? Two weeks ago, gov. Rendell said the voters would not vote for a black man, the switch was on. What is there that you do not understand about politics????
Well, a lot of people in Ohio seem to have done what the law prohibits there.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You spoke of Pa. Switching parties has been fair game for as long as I have been participating. I do not know of any law in any state that places restrictions on changing party affiliation. I have been registered in so many parties and ind that I lose track. By the way, re Limberg, nine out of ten of the local hill billies would not know or care who he is, but they do know how politics works.
This very thread appears to be about such a restriction under Ohio law.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You mentioned Pa.
Your words.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Oh I hope so. I searched around for PA laws regarding this but could not find anything.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. Thats what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.' Alan Dershowitz
lol, true
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. Thats what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.' Alan Dershowitz
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