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Title: German Jewish leader criticizes Pope over prayer
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/topN ... eedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Published: Mar 22, 2008
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2008-03-22 16:21:35 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 604
Comments: 25

BERLIN (Reuters) - The leader of Germany's Jewish community said on Friday she was surprised Pope Benedict could have allowed a new version of a Good Friday prayer for the conversion of Jews.

Charlotte Knobloch, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, told Reuters Television she could not fathom Pope Benedict putting forward the new decree because he experienced discrimination against Jews in Germany as a young man.

"I would have assumed that this German pope, of all people, had got to know first hand the ostracizing of Jewry," she said. "I could not have imagined that this same German pope could now impose such phrases upon his church."

Jewish groups complained last year when the Pope issued a decree allowing wider use of the old-style Latin Mass and a missal, or prayer book, that was phased out after the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, which met from 1962 to 1965.

They protested against the re-introduction of the old prayer for conversion of the Jews and asked the Pope to change it.

The Vatican last month revised the contested Latin prayer used by a traditionalist minority on Good Friday, the day marking Jesus Christ's crucifixion, removing a reference to Jewish "blindness" over Christ and deleting a phrase asking God to "remove the veil from their hearts".

Jews criticized the new version because it still says they should recognize Jesus Christ as the savior of all men. It asks that "all Israel may be saved" and Jews say it keeps an underlying call to conversion that they had wanted removed.

Knobloch said that she could not envision a continuation of the inter-religious dialogue as long as the old prayer stands.

"The inter-religious dialogue has suffered an enormous setback because of this version and I assume that one will find a way very soon to continue the dialogue, but at the moment I don't see it happening," she said.

"As long as the Catholic Church, that is to say Pope Benedict, does not return to the previous wording, I assume that there will not be any further dialogue in the form that we were able to have in the past," Knobloch said.

(Reporting by Erik Kirschbaum; Editing by Giles Elgood)


Poster Comment:

Now the Jewish Community is telling us what to pray and not pray? Have any Christians or Muslims ever told them what or what not to pray about?

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#5. To: robin (#0)

The Pope will ignore it. Likely, he'll use the opportunity to blast Israel once again for their treatment of the Palestinians.

The Catholics have a good German Shepherd in charge and don't really care what some whack jobs have to say.

mirage  posted on  2008-03-22   16:42:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mirage, all (#5)

The Pope will ignore it.

The Pope indeed might ignore it, but most of the cowards that fill the pews - and those of other major religious institutions - will bow to Israel when the Pavlovian whistle blows.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-22   17:50:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

The Pope indeed might ignore it, but most of the cowards that fill the pews - and those of other major religious institutions - will bow to Israel when the Pavlovian whistle blows.

You haven't seen "Traditional Catholics" have you?

In old-style Catholic schools to this day, kids attending run out on the street and tell Jewish kids "You're going to hell!"

Vatican II Catholics...that's another story, but if Benedict is indeed rolling back the clock a bit, they'll get a dose of the Baltimore Catechism which will scare the living daylights out of them.

mirage  posted on  2008-03-22   19:54:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mirage (#11)

In old-style Catholic schools to this day, kids attending run out on the street and tell Jewish kids "You're going to hell!"

Most of the Catholics I meet are wishy-washy do-gooders, full of pc pablum. Of course that describes most people...

Dakmar  posted on  2008-03-22   20:02:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Dakmar (#12)

Most of the Catholics I meet are wishy-washy do-gooders, full of pc pablum.

Yes, most of them are, but the elder generation still holds to tradition.

A Latin mass is a thing of beauty if you can handle the incense.

mirage  posted on  2008-03-22   20:49:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mirage (#16)

I actually find myself agreeing with the old-line papists prior to the Vatican II voluntary castration nonsense.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-03-22   20:56:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#24. To: Dakmar (#18)

I actually find myself agreeing with the old-line papists prior to the Vatican II voluntary castration nonsense.

There are three aspects of Vatican II that are good.
- Using the local language for the Mass
- Decentralizing a bit and making the Bishops more responsive to the people
- Having the priest face the people instead of having his back to them

Other than that, most of it can be easily junked.

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