Title: Reverend Wright - In Context (full video) Source:
Crooks and Liars URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T6-O8GIylQ Published:Mar 23, 2008 Author:Reverend Jeremiah Wright Post Date:2008-03-23 13:15:55 by Arator Keywords:Wright, is, right Views:425 Comments:36
"Blessed are they who dash your babies' brains against a rock (Iraq?)." (approximately two minutes into this video)
This Jeremiah was just as much a prophet in making this statement as was the B.C. one.
The vast majority of us spent the years after 9/11 showering blessings upon Bush, who then dashed our babies (the young servicemen and women) brains against Iraq.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
What many miss about Reverend Wright is that he is what one would call a peculiar theology of black liberation.....not unlike many Christians who do not understand who or what a Christian Zionist is.....
The peculiar theology of black liberation By Spengler
Senator Barack Obama is not a Muslim, contrary to invidious rumors. But he belongs to a Christian church whose doctrine casts Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people". At best, this is a radically different kind of Christianity than most Americans acknowledge; at worst it is an ethnocentric heresy.
What played out last week on America's television screens was a clash of two irreconcilable cultures, the posture of "black liberation theology" and the mainstream American understanding of Christianity. Obama, who presented himself as a unifying figure, now seems rather the living embodiment of the clash.
One of the strangest dialogues in American political history ensued on March 15 when Fox News interviewed Obama's pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, of Chicago's Trinity Church. Wright asserted the authority of the "black liberation" theologians James Cone and Dwight Hopkins:
What played out last week on America's television screens was a clash of two irreconcilable cultures, the posture of "black liberation theology" and the mainstream American understanding of Christianity.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Blessed are they who dash your baby’s brains against a rock. And that, my beloved, is a dangerous place to be, yet that is where the people of faith are in the 551BC, and that is where far too many people of faith are in 2001 AD. We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Thats funny good read.... what a presidential race it would be between McCain and Obama ....Christian Zionism (Jews are "the chosen people".) vs Black Liberation Theology( Blacks "the chosen people".).....either we are screwed
#6. To: Peppa, Sam Houston, robnoel, Arator, richard9151, Cynicom, christine, Jethro Tull (#3)(Edited)
There are powerful elements of this message. I agree with him that our foreign policy needs restraint. But when he brings up the European settlement of the North American continent, he crosses a line for me.
And don't think John McCain does not cross a similar line for me with S. 1378, as well. They're both attacking the foundations of our way of life.
But when he brings up the European settlement of the North American continent,
It worked for the them in Africa...not so much in Australia...no surprise he mentions that although the only ones who can claim that with authority are the Lokota Indians
Thats funny good read.... what a presidential race it would be between McCain and Obama ....Christian Zionism (Jews are "the chosen people".) vs Black Liberation Theology( Blacks "the chosen people".).....either we are screwed
There is a striking common denominator.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
There are powerful elements of this message. I agree with him that our foreign policy needs restraint. But when he brings up the European settlement of the North American continent, he crosses a line for me.
And don't think John McCain does not cross a similar line for me with S. 1378, as well. They're both attacking the foundations of our way of life.
All 3 mainstream candidates agree that a targeted group of people are going to be exterminated on way or another. This seems to be okay with a faction of folks who can recognize atrocites elsewhere, except the one brewing right here.
A perfect storm is being set in motion.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
First, I agree with Peppa: excellent observation on the black nationalism and Zionism common denominator; outstanding.
Second, the good reverend is talking about Europeans committing terrorism against American Indian populations. He evidently wants European-Americans to hate themselves for winning the civilizational conflict between cultures.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s 9/11 sermon Posted: 10:09 AM ET
Editor’s note: CNN Contributor Roland Martin has listened to several of the sermons of Rev. Jeremiah Wright from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Portions of the sermons have been excerpted in recent stories.
As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I’ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.
I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, “The Day of Jerusalem’s Fall.” It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001. ALT TEXT
One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned “chickens coming home to roost.” He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That’s what he told the congregation.
He was quoting Peck as saying that America’s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:
“I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.”
“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.
“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.
“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.
“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.
“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.
“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.
“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.
“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.
“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”
He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.
“What is the state of your family?” he asked.
And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.
His sermon thesis:
1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.
2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won’t put me on PBS or national cable for what I’m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)
“We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,” he said.
Wright then said we can’t stop messing over people and thinking they can’t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.
“Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation’s healthcare system that leaves the nation’s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.”
3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.
By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said “God damn America.” I’m not sure which sermon that came from.
This doesn’t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.
The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.
I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.
And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.
So stay tuned.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
In a discussion about the Lakota with Riding Shotgun some while back, she posted this beautiful song. Worth sharing again.
All Along the Watchtower
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
But when he brings up the European settlement of the North American continent, he crosses a line for me.
I'm rooting for re-sovereigned Lakota Republic in the northern plains. Freedom is fostered by rival sovereignties and extinguished by conquest and consolidation. We are all Indians these days. To hell with empire.
When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father--Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer--denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were very much like things pastors on the right say too.
Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I understand your feelings however former Rhodesians and now South Africans could make the same argument to no avail....Americas history is no different to what happened in Southern Africa.....deal with it birth rights mean nothing ....from our friends at the UN
The UN declared 1993 as The International Year for the World's Indigenous Peoples 3. The decade from 1995 to 2004 was declared as the International Decade of the World's Indigenous Peoples. Recognizing the continuing need for attention to indigenous peoples' needs, the decade from 2006 through 2015 has been declared the Second International Decade of the World's Indigenous Peoples. In light of this original and continuing interest in Indigenous Peoples, this paper will serve as an introduction to researching indigenous peoples' rights under international law.
International law has seldom considered indigenous peoples rights separately from the concerns of the general matters of international law. This paper will introduce this emerging area of legal development. At the present time, development in this area appears to be confined to the subject of international human rights law. It is anticipated by this writer and others, that this topic will of necessity develop into a discussion of the general principles of societal organization and nation building, directly addressing the legitimacy of numerous nation-states within the community of nations subject to international law.
All present international human rights documents and doctrines apply to indigenous people throughout the world. This paper will not rehearse all of these documents and the organizations which have promulgated and enforce them. It will discuss those few organizations and resources which have directly addressed the concerns of indigenous peoples.
We can always ask who has been teaching them to hate themselves.
Well perhaps we should ask the smart people.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I didn't see anything so controversial about reverend Wright's sermon, thanks for posting it here. his interpretations are only controversial to the war mongers in our country, but his interpretations are very common and normal in the christian community.
here is Psalm 137's King James version in case anyone would like to read it.
I really like Psalm 137. The Jamaican group bonie M got their song lyrics from 'by the rivers of Babylon' from this chapter.
There was a kingdom of Babylon that was a rival to the jewish community in BC days. It was headquartered originally in Iraq. And according to bible prophecy there is also to be an 'end-times' kingdom of Babylon that will rule the world, that this ancient kingdom will be restored and rule in the end- times.
Many christians today believe that this kingdom of Babylon is today headquartered geographically in our country. and that we the Americans have been turned over to them, that we are a captive nation just as the jews were a captive nation to Egypt in BC times before Moses & god led them out. That is why in verse 4 it says 'how can we sing the lords song in a strange land'? As people who believe in god we are required to sing a song to the lord, but how can it be done when this new captor rules us & requires that we sing a song to it.
the destruction of the innocent infants by dashing their heads against rocks in verse 9 I believe is speaking about the slaughter of innocent civilians when America is eventually invaded by a huge army made up of people from all over the world and who hate America. This is to happen when end-times babylon is finally destroyed. and when end-times babylon is finally destroyed through this horrendous violence here on earth, that is when jesus will return, he will raise the dead and judgement of each and every person who has ever lived will occur. Some will be judged positively and allowed to live in the kingdom of god to be built here on earth at that time and some will be judged negatively and prohibited from this kingdom. This is the great separation of people that will occur at the time of judgement.
I didn't really like Wright's statements about how 'we' took this country from the Indians. I don't think our people are especially evil and I think that it is god who decides what the nations are, so I believe in the 'manifest destiny' concept that was popular in the 1800's. At the same time we did in fact do a lot of terrible things to Indians. that's not to say that they didn't also do a lot of terrible things to the white Americans. In the early 1700's there were a lot of white people murdered by Indians in the eastern part of the US. The Indians did have organized drives where they murdered whole families & villages of whites systematically. At the same time, my great-great- grandfather participated in a US Army slaughter of a village of 300 Indians in a village near Tucson. and there were many evil things done to the Indians.
Consider some other things about US policy especially in recent decades. The US imposed economic sanctions on Iraq and that killed one million people, mostly children. The US encouraged the war between Iraq & Iran in the 1980's and that killed 1 million people. The US paid Iraq to attack Iran and that is what started the war. Our country does have chickens to come home to roost. consider how the US government has decided to subsidize ethanol even though the production of ethanol is not economical and does not save energy, it costs more energy to produce the ethanol than what is produced by the ethanol. And this policy has caused grain prices to more than double in the last few years, and this causes starvation for millions of people. The poor in Indonesia, Phillipines, Bengladesh, India and many other countries are persecuted severely by this policy.
There are many descriptions of end-times Babylon in the bible. and many people have for decades now noted that it bears an uncanny resemblance to the US-based world empire now ruling. One small description of these end-times is that things will be arranged so that the rich do very well economically and have no problems, but that things will be arranged so that the poor simply can't make it. The bible says that when god hears the cries of these poor people, then he will release the violence that will take babylon down, it will be done very suddenly with overwhelming force and much violence. That is what verse 9 is about.
There was a time when jesus was sacrificed to bring about the forgiveness of sins and a new understanding we call the new covenant. and there will be a time when god's favorite nation will be sacrificed as well to bring about the kingdom of god here on earth.
Like I said, Wright's comments that I saw above at least, are not controversial or unusual, except of course to the war-monger who sees our country as god's tool doing justice by killing muslims and others around the world. remember what jesus said though - that he who lives by the sword will also die by the sword.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Americas history is no different to what happened in Southern Africa.....
Except that South Africa had no black indigenous people. The blacks in South Africa were brought there by the whites to work in the mines.
Now, if that sounds familiar to anywhere else, well, perhaps there is a lesson to be learned.
By the way, here are the only indigenous people of South Africa;
South Africa's indigenous people, known as Khoisan, are demanding better treatment from the country's government.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1256210.stm
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
The Zulus used to go all over southern africa killing people. That means though their skin was black, they were secretly white.
that was a great movie about where the Zulus killed all those British soldiers. It was like the British version of custer's Last Stand.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
It was called Zulu Dawn with Michael Cain...Zulus were/are not different to the American Indians same rules applied there as here....in other words when you invade another country don't be shocked if the locals get pissed off and want to kill you
And... it's all 'news' to most supporters of America's empire - that violence begets violence and terrorism begets terrorism. The man is clearly a nut and anyone who ever attended his church must be infected and avoided. Even Ron Paul was claiming that 'the American people' was not at all responsible for the atrocities committed at Bush's orders but... he is wrong. The American people seems to approve of success and to reject failure. Right or wrong... Who cares about Hiroshima's dead? We won that war. Didn't we?
Yes they did you may of heard of them they are called called Zulus
No. The Zulus were from north of South Africa. They had their own nation, and, the did travel long distances, but the only people who actually lived in South Africa were as I detailed above. Go ahead and look it up, by all means.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
South Africa's indigenous people, known as Khoisan, are demanding better treatment from the country's government.
Not likely to happen. Politics in Africa have never gotten beyond the tribal level and aren't likely to get beyond that level for another few decades.
They're too busy trying to blame whitey for everything. Ghana has gotten past it, but Zimbabwe seems hell-bent on ensuring the starvation of their population and the ruin of their country.
Best of luck to Mugabe. He is what the "victims" there deserve. Once he ruins that country, they may learn something, but it is going to take the deaths of millions to get them out of their "I be owed!" mentality and away from Marxism.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Don't need to look it up I was born there although you are correct about the Zulus who lived in what is Natal a 1000 miles north of Cape Town the Xhosas were moving from the east towards Cape Town the first clash between white and black was between the Boers who were fed up with the British freeing the slaves in the Cape Colony and deciding to move east in what is known as the "Great Trek" the first clash was a mere 48 miles outside the colony.....if SA history is of interest I suggest a very good book