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Title: Huge Ice Deposits "seen" on Mars
Source: BBC News
URL Source: [None]
Published: Mar 24, 2008
Author: Paul Rincon
Post Date: 2008-03-24 14:50:12 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 247
Comments: 11

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I assume you have read, "The Case for Mars", by Robert Zubrin.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24   14:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

Not just ice.

Salt deposits found on Mars.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-24   15:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-24   15:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)

It made me wish I would be alive the day the first colony is started on Mars.

Of course all of this is predicated on mankind not destroying himself prior.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24   15:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Maybe when the aliens return in 2012 (according to the ancient Mayans) it will be to take us to Mars ;p

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-24   15:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#5) (Edited)

Without these endless wars we could be on Mars now.

Von Braun was arrested during WW2 for openly discussing possibilities of going to other planets.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24   15:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom, robin (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-24   15:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ghostdogtxn, robin (#7)

Von Braun was dreaming of Mars long ago.

" A frightful event occurred in mid-March 1944 when von Braun was arrested by the Gestapo and imprisoned in Stettin. The alleged crime was that von Braun had declared his main interest in developing the A-4/V-2 was for space travel—not as a weapon. Also, since von Braun was a pilot, who regularly piloted his government-provided airplane, it was suggested that he was planning to escape with A-4/V-2 secrets to the Allies.

It was the personal intervention of Munitions and Armaments Minister Albert Speer with Hitler that gained von Braun's release from jail. It had only been a few weeks earlier that von Braun refused an offer from Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler.

Himmler had proposed that von Braun should leave the German Army rocket program and come to work for the SS. It is believed that Himmler was directly responsible for von Braun’s arrest". —Michael Neufeld, The Rocket and the Reich, 1995

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24   15:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#6)

Without these endless wars we could be on Mars now.

Or making our own planet better. Excellent point.

Von Braun was arrested during WW2 for openly discussing possibilities of going to other planets.

I had no idea, how odd, even for the Nazis.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-24   17:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

it was suggested that he was planning to escape with A-4/V-2 secrets to the Allies.

He probably was.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-24   17:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robin (#10)

He probably was.

No, Von Braun was totally apolitical.

A scientist, no other agenda. He did however know he wanted no part of the Russians.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24   17:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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