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Title: Qwest CEO Not Alone in Alleging NSA Started Domestic Phone Record Program 7 Months Before 9/11
Source: blog.wired.com
URL Source: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/qwest-ceo-not-a.html
Published: Oct 12, 2007
Author: Ryan Singel
Post Date: 2008-03-25 16:26:20 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Qwest CEO Not Alone in Alleging NSA Started Domestic Phone Record Program 7 Months Before 9/11 By Ryan Singel EmailOctober 12, 2007

Startling statements from former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio's defense documents alleging the National Security Agency began building a massive call records database seven months before 9/11 aren't the only accusations that the controversial program predated the attacks of 9/11.

According to court documents unveiled this week, former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio clearly wanted to argue in court that the NSA retaliated against his company after he turned down a NSA request on February 27, 2001 that he thought was illegal. Nacchio's attorney issued a carefully worded statement in 2006, saying that Nacchio had turned down the NSA's repeated requests for customer call records. The statement says that Nacchio was asked for the records in the fall of 2001, but doesn't say he was "first asked" then.

And in May 2006, a lawsuit filed against Verizon for allegedly turning over call records to the NSA alleged that AT&T began building a spying facility for the NSA just days after President Bush was inaugurated. That lawsuit is one of 50 that were consolidated and moved to a San Francisco federal district court, where the suits sit in limbo waiting for the 9th Circuit Appeals court to decide whether the suits can proceed without endangering national security.

According the allegations in the suit (.pdf):

The project was described in the ATT sales division documents as calling for the construction of a facility to store and retain data gathered by the NSA from its domestic and foreign intelligence operations but was to be in actuality a duplicate ATT Network Operations Center for the use and possession of the NSA that would give the NSA direct, unlimited, unrestricted and unfettered access to all call information and internet and digital traffic on ATTÌs long distance network. [...]

The NSA program was initially conceived at least one year prior to 2001 but had been called off; it was reinstated within 11 days of the entry into office of defendant George W. Bush.

An ATT Solutions logbook reviewed by counsel confirms the Pioneer-Groundbreaker project start date of February 1, 2001.

The allegations in that case come from unnamed AT&T insiders, who have never stepped forward or provided any documentation to the courts. But Carl Mayer, one of the attorneys in the case, stands by the allegations in the lawsuit.

"All we can say is, we told you so," Mayer told THREAT LEVEL.

Mayer says the issue of when the call records program started - a program that unlike the admitted warrantless wiretapping, the administration has never confirmed nor denied - should play a role in the upcoming confirmation hearings of Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey.

Mukasey will have to "come clean on when this program started," Mayer said. "The entire rationale was that it was necessitated by 9/11."

All of the cases pending against the nation's telecoms for allegedly violating the nation's surveillance and privacy laws could be mooted if Congress gives immunity to the companies, as the Administration and the telcos powerful lobbyists are arguing for.

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

The NSA program was initially conceived at least one year prior to 2001 but had been called off; it was reinstated within 11 days of the entry into office of defendant George W. Bush.

An ATT Solutions logbook reviewed by counsel confirms the Pioneer-Groundbreaker project start date of February 1, 2001.

George W. Bush was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2001.

11 days later was Jan. 31, 2001.

Feb. 1, 2001 is mighty fast. They hit the ground running.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-25   16:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#1)

CELL PHONE (FBI can listen to you when phone is turned off)

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-25   16:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#2)

It was back on July 31 that the flats and workplaces of Dr. Andrej Holm as well as those of three other persons, were searched by the German secret police. Dr. Andrej Holm was arrested, flown by helicopter to the German Federal Court in Karlsruhe and brought before the custodial judge. The Germans said the good Doctor (well, PHD) was a terrorist.

TERRORIST PHD CAUGHT WITHOUT CELL PHONE.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-25   16:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

Holm's alleged crimes are that he had "close contacts" with the three charged academics and possibly others; participated in the "extreme left-wing" protest against the 2007 Heiligendamm G-8 economic summit, which the German government attempted to disrupt with pre-emptive riot-squad raids in May; and that he "intentionally" left his cellphone at home before a meeting. In a Kafkaesque touch, his lack of a cellphone--hindering the efforts of German authorities to track him--is deemed "conspiratorial behavior."

German GWOT Misfire .

The German police seem to rely on suspects' carrying their cellphones. Why do you suppose that is?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-25   16:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: aristeides (#3) (Edited)

Did you know W's dad #41 was raised by the Nazis? He worked with Tesla as a youngster. Tesla was developing the technology for "wireless" communications for the masses, which GHWB stole from him.

FULL STORY www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-03-25   17:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#5)

Andrej Holm (born 1970 in Leipzig) is a German sociologist who teaches at the Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin. He is the expert on gentrification in Germany.

Terrorism arrest

While conducting his research, Holm engaged in an internet search in which he used phrases (e.g. gentrification, inequality) also used in the claims of responsibility of a a leftist terrorist organisation, the "militant group (mg)" (Militante Gruppe). After taking note of this search, Holm was placed under observation by the Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt or BKA). Holm later met with the group along with another sociologist, and their agreement to surrender their cell phones during the meeting was held to be an indication of "conspiratorial" behaviour. On July 31, 2007, Holm's home and office were searched, after one man he had met with was implicated in a plot to firebomb tanks at a German military base. In the course of the search, Holm was taken into custody[1] and flown by helicopter to the Federal Court of Justice of Germany (Bundesgerichtshof) in Karlsruhe. He was held at Berlin-Moabit prison in solitary confinement until the end of August, when his parole was ordered until at least October. The accusations against him have been heavily criticised among academics and others.[2].

The German federal court overturned the arrest warrant in October 2007. [3]

From the Wikipedia entry on Andrej Holm.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-25   17:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

Here's a Web site demanding the end of legal proceedings against Andrej Holm: Einstellung der §129(a)-Verfahren - sofort! [End the Proceeding Under Sec. 129(a) -- Immediately!]. (The title of the Web page is in German, but most of the material on it is in English.)

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-25   17:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *9-11* (#0)

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-25   17:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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