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Title: Saint Obama on the 2nd amendment
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Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: BHO
Post Date: 2008-03-25 17:19:57 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 170
Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected. We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights. I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people. Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. Sincerely, Barack Obama*
Poster Comment: Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*? Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.
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#116. To: HOUNDDAWG (#115)
You're a freakin GENIUS! A REAL SLEUTH YOU ARE there Dawg...
Only in your sick boy fantasies. Here's another one, chris. Geez, this place is a magnet for internet assassins and commandos, ain't it? You could just as easily visualize an awakening where Americans take back this country, but, that doesn't do a thing for you because there's no Hollywood glam gun play, right? Try a real shootout sometime. (Please don't back shoot a meter maid) You may find that you lose your taste for it, and would actually prefer the harder road of winning the people over instead of murdering those who pose obstacles to your goals. Hell, that's what the Clintons do. If they have a problem they kill the sonofabitch. And, they have more enemies than ever as will you if you try that to solve America's problems.
It didn't take much to show your lack of intellectual prowess. Stay out this okay, Sonny? The grownups are talking.
So why are you at the kiddie table, nut breath?
I've said what I need to say to you and I don't cross swords with ignorance. If you wanna play I'll be happy to shut you down, though. DO YOU?
After you go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut, then walk down to your local PD and turn in your firearms, THEN prostrate yourself before the man...THEN we can talk you big bag of douche.
Sorry. Your post is below the minimum intelligence threshhold. Try again! HAH!
Dou're Yrunk!
Sad.
Probably not. MotherF*_cker.
Cutting to close to the bone, eh?
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Good for you, I admire Jelly Bryce's. I will stick to my rifles, it's much more interesting for me to hit little targets at a good distance.
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
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Brian, to my knowledge I've never had a cross word with you. And no, this isn't cutting close to the bone. I worked in the worst slums in NY, and the ghetto residents I arrested deserved it. But you wouldn't have a clue about anything I've ever done, would you? I suspect your poke at me is b/c I don't adore the political fraud you do, Saint Obama, and this thread exposed his warped position on the 2nd Amendment. For you, or anyone else, to not want to know where a politician stands on specific issues is the working definition of ignorant.
Mastering the rifle was easy, and my well tuned super accurate rifles are ready with hundreds of tailored handloads to match. Combat handgunning is a little more difficult. Hell, even Brownies and Cub Scouts shoot well the first time out with a shoulder stocked arm.
Did the cops who were shot deserve it? You advocate shooting them and made no distinction between good ones or bad ones. Should the whole NYPD suffer collectively for the crimes of the more egregious officers?
Who are you talking about?
Last week in a thread about cops abusing protesters you wrote "Shoot the bastards."
Show me the thread, and what does that have to do with this one?
I'm sorry, I didn't bookmark it. I thought it was odd that a former cop would advocate shooting them. If you wish to declare war and stand toe to toe with the enemy, fine. But, it's irresponsible to advocate "shooting the bastards" for grievances either real or perceived that do not warrant a death penalty. I can think of no situation where I should fire in the direction of someone who isn't trying to take my life at that moment. It is not a proper course of action to advocate shooting politicians, cops, county inspectors, meter maids or anyone else before fat assed Americans have even tried to restore the country through peaceful means. Unfortunately, too many video-sated sugar babies of today demand instant gratification to any and all problems even if that means the use of deadly force, as long as they don't have to actually exert themselves over the long stretch. The SLA, The Weathermen, Black Panthers, The Arm, The Sword & The Cross Of The Lord, etc., were/are all convinced that their reasons for shooting cops are just. And, when I see you embrace that same self serving lunacy it's disturbing to me.
'Dowg, all I can do is defend my comments. On this thread I said I'd use any amount of force necessary to keep my guns from government confiscation. I don't see the problem with that position. I don't advocate it for everyone, and I believe people like me will be in the extreme minority when and if that day comes. So be it.
Well, that's certainly reasonable and I have no reason to dispute it. My problem in this and other threads is with the "instant gratificons" who seem to think that life is a video game and the solution to all political problems is gun play. Not only will they fold when the shit hits the fan but they will refuse to accept any responsibility for diverting attention away from boring but necessary political action we should take and for providing the govt the necessary inflammatory evidence to clamp down on other forms of expression. Last night when I jammed Dakmar up he immediately retreated into "it was a joke" (although I don't know any sane people who think that's funny) and you summoned the spirit of Pat Robertson for support. I don't want to match the neocons' evil blow for blow because then I'll be no better than them. and if I cannot make a manly, declarative statement that stands on its own merits without relying on a quote, ("Is it time yet, Claire?") as justification then I won't make any statement at all. If you'll notice I seldom prop up my argument with quotes from others. I write what I feel and take the heat for it. But, right now a quote may be appropriate since I can't seem to garner respect for my own mature, well reasoned point of view. The problem is just as Charlie Reese has described it below. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Too many stupid, testosterone-driven young men are rattling their sabers instead of using the brains that God gave them. And, when I chew one of them out they cluster together for support and celebrate their mediocrity. After all, if Bush proved anything it's that "It's every American's right to be a stupid sonofabitch." Of course all are equal in christine's little world, including Todd when I tried to warn her about him. She needs to discourage these mindless shits who post here in order to make it attractive for those with real power, the power of reason coupled with the courage to resist tyranny. (That doesn't mean back shooting some low level bureaucrats as one poster was openly wishing for last night)
So you have your hot button issues, eh? Join the crowd :) My experience w/forums is that at different times, depending on the subject, posters have reactions that might be driven by emotion more than a sober reaction to the clusterbang we find ourselves in. Further compounding this form of communication is that posting back and forth eliminates the many nuances a normal conversation allows. Humor to some in a post is a harsh blow to others. When a poster is challenged, and h/she says their comment was a joke, their word should be good, esp. given the history of that poster as in Dak’s case. I have always gotten his humor and I saw how his comment was connected to a previous one. As for your broader concern about a scattered band of internet commandos engaging in governmental insurrection, I only wish it were true. Truth be known, Pogo was right. We have met the enemy and he is us. Just as the Ron Paul revolution was an illusion offered up to those who still believe they can effect change, the words of some here, myself included, are nothing more than a hope that things can change. That isn't going to happen, so here I sit locked into the ride.
Horrible, of course. Your example only underlines the criticalness of ridding the nation of the Clintons and the fascist party's pitiful offering.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Marvelously creative phrasing!
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
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#117. To: Critter, christine (#104)
The next revolution is going to start with the assassination of some obscure, petty bureaucrat that pisses someone off big time, with petty bureaucratic bullshit. Then another, and another, until it steamrolls out of control.
#118. To: FOH (#116)
#119. To: HOUNDDAWG (#118)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#120. To: FOH (#119)
#121. To: HOUNDDAWG (#120)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#122. To: FOH (#121)
After you go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut, then walk down to your local PD and turn in your firearms, THEN prostrate yourself before the man...THEN we can talk you big bag of douche.
#123. To: HOUNDDAWG (#122)
(Edited)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#124. To: HOUNDDAWG (#113)
And, Hell, if you were still on the job you'd be the first to arrest a protester for shooting a cop and for violating those fucked up NYC gun laws regardless of how legit the grievance against the police.
#125. To: HOUNDDAWG (#113)
I'm quite likely the best pistolero on this fucking board
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#126. To: FOH (#123)
#127. To: Jethro Tull (#124)
And, Hell, if you were still on the job you'd be the first to arrest a protester for shooting a cop and for violating those fucked up NYC gun laws regardless of how legit the grievance against the police.
#128. To: HOUNDDAWG (#113)
I'm quite likely the best pistolero on this fucking board
#129. To: ALL (#128)
#130. To: Brian S (#127)
Cutting to close to the bone, eh?
#131. To: X-15 (#128)
#132. To: Jethro Tull (#130)
#133. To: HOUNDDAWG (#132)
You advocate shooting them and made no distinction between good ones or bad ones.
#134. To: Jethro Tull (#133)
#135. To: HOUNDDAWG (#134)
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#135)
#137. To: PnbC (#67)
Those that support Obama winning are at least hoping he will be the least interventionist of the three front runners. Whether their hope is misplaced or not is besides the point. It is the war, and nothing else, that is the prime mover here.
#138. To: HOUNDDAWG (#136)
#139. To: Jethro Tull, Dakmar, christine (#138)
(Edited)
'Dowg, all I can do is defend my comments. On this thread I said I'd use any amount of force necessary to keep my guns from government confiscation. I don't see the problem with that position. I don't advocate it for everyone, and I believe people like me will be in the extreme minority when and if that day comes. So be it.
#140. To: HOUNDDAWG (#139)
My problem in this and other threads is with the "instant gratificons" who seem to think that life is a video game and the solution to all political problems is gun play.
#141. To: FormerLurker (#68)
And what say you about the cost of life here?
#142. To: HOUNDDAWG (#139)
"instant gratificons"
#143. To: iconoclast (#142)
Your thoughts on Obama's 2nd Amendment position?
The U.S. Senate Debated:
Voted: Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19
2Ibid.
3O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
4James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10See supra note 6.
11About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12See supra note 5.
13As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up- your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti- gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19See supra note 4.
#144. To: Jethro Tull (#143)
icon neither reads nor comprehends well so maybe you could come up with a diagram for third graders?????
#145. To: X-15, HOUNDDAWG (#128)
Good for you, I admire Jelly Bryce's. I will stick to my rifles, it's much more interesting for me to hit little targets at a good distance. Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.
I'm quite likely the best pistolero on this fucking board
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#146. To: Cynicom (#144)
Icon might read the damaging positions Obama takes, but like a true cultist it doesn't cause him to get up off his knees.
#147. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Artisan, robin, christine, ALL (#10)
No. You've got to be freakin' kidding me, right? Right? Oh no... Fear of govt. is a form of mental illness
"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau
#148. To: wudidiz (#147)
I've told this story before here, about a neighbor I knew from Bulgaria. She had been a doctor, as had her husband; and even both her daughters became doctors. But that's not the point of the story, just background. She was afraid to leave her trash barrels out beyond the time allowed by the city ordinance. She was afraid to leave her car parked along the curb (I forget why). She spied out of her window routinely, checking for only God knows what. She knew which neighbors were home all day, and which ones spread rumors. Growing up in the Soviet Bloc never left her.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#149. To: iconoclast (#141)
You've said many times that you wished the Republican Party would essentially go the way of the Whigs. Correct?
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#150. To: wudidiz (#147)
You didn't know how sick you were did you...
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#151. To: HOUNDDAWG (#55)
No they can't. But you are welcome to try.
Americans can take this country back without firing a shot,...
God is always good!
#152. To: RickyJ (#151)
Good luck with that one...pistolero man LOLOL
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#153. To: Jethro Tull (#146)
If the fascist party gets its ass against the wall it take your gun away so fast it'll make your head swim (or blow up). The difference will be that it will be done by Presidential fiat and the already established/organized brown shirts. Think Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Cuban kid and many many more outrages. But you guys go ahead and order up a third portion of the experienced and ready-on-day-one single party establishment. FEAR the new guy with his message of reconciliation and bi-partisanship. Sheesh!
Icon might read the damaging positions Obama takes, but like a true cultist it doesn't cause him to get up off his knees.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
#154. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Fear is the normal American state of mind after seven years of totalitarianism.
Fear of govt. is a form of mental illness
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
#155. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Upon further thought, I think a whole lot of politicians need to have a gun stuck in their face and be told to straighten up or else.... They continually ignore the polite letters we are told to write to them, as if any politician gives a damn what the people want (unless it's more government). No, I will stand up and say we have suffered more abuses from our current government than we suffered under British rule. Does anybody think the Founding Fathers would implore us to "write more polite letters"????
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
#156. To: X-15 (#155)
They've moved our jobs offshore, debased our culture, opened our borders to invaders, added layers of taxation yearly, waged war in our name, used our schools as indoctrination camps, jailed our population in record numbers and used prisoners as manufacturing slaves, and redistrict their congressional districts to ensure a reelection rate of 95%, and we should write a letter of protest? These elitists need to feel fear, and not the comfort of a walnut paneled Washington office.
They continually ignore the polite letters we are told to write to them, as if any politician gives a damn what the people want (unless it's more government).
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