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Title: Saint Obama on the 2nd amendment
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Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: BHO
Post Date: 2008-03-25 17:19:57 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 170

Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.

We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.

I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.

Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama*

Poster Comment:

Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*?

Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.

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#50. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I've just declared shooting politicians a sport.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-03-26   6:17:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've just declared shooting politicians a sport.

I get the sportsman connection, Dak. And anyone who knows your sense of humor gets it. BTW, wasn't it Pat Robertson who called for the assassination of Chavez for political sport? On his Christian Broadcasting Network no less? Or perhaps you were alluding to our esteemed VP who shot his best friend and confidant while sporting? My statement stands and I don't give a rats ass who likes it or not; the day this government attempts to disarm me is the day I say no. If anyone here thinks the 2nd is about anything less then to fight back against a tyrannical govt. then Obama and his ilk have completed their mission.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-26   8:21:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I get the sportsman connection, Dak. And anyone who knows your sense of humor gets it. BTW, wasn't it Pat Robertson who called for the assassination of Chavez for political sport? On his Christian Broadcasting Network no less? Or perhaps you were alluding to our esteemed VP who shot his best friend and confidant while sporting? My statement stands and I don't give a rats ass who likes it or not; the day this government attempts to disarm me is the day I say no. If anyone here thinks the 2nd is about anything less then to fight back against a tyrannical govt. then Obama and his ilk have completed their mission.

I've been involved in several shooting situations, and if you had you'd know that sane, healthy people don't find anything humorous about shootings, and they don't solve ordinary political problems with unilateral gun play.

JT, you advocated "shooting the bastards" in a recent discussion about abusive cops' treatment of protesters. Were you "joking", too?

And, Pat Robertson is a fucking kook neocon religious fanatic. and, true patriots condemned his remarks. They certainly don't use him for cover.

There are too many sickos who believe that the America they're trying to "restore" is one where any bureaucratic nuisance is met with a hail of bullets. That has never been the definition of freedom here and only silly shits who've never been in a shooting would say something that fucking stupid.

Patriots don't shoot meter maids, city inspectors or even politicians as a form of collective punishment because A) it's morally wrong, and B) it will only result in draconian responses that make things worse.

You can share your foxhole with sick little shits who joke about the very unfunny shooting of unarmed and unsuspecting politicians, but, don't be surprised if you get back shot by a sicko someday.

I'm quite likely the best pistolero on this fucking board, and I don't ever joke about the business of war, because if and when it comes you and these assholes like Dakmar will see soon enough that there's not a goddam thing about it that's funny.

And, Hell, if you were still on the job you'd be the first to arrest a protester for shooting a cop and for violating those fucked up NYC gun laws regardless of how legit the grievance against the police.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-26   23:05:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And, Hell, if you were still on the job you'd be the first to arrest a protester for shooting a cop and for violating those fucked up NYC gun laws regardless of how legit the grievance against the police.

Sad.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-26   23:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And, Hell, if you were still on the job you'd be the first to arrest a protester for shooting a cop and for violating those fucked up NYC gun laws regardless of how legit the grievance against the police.

Cutting to close to the bone, eh?

Brian S  posted on  2008-03-27   0:06:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cutting to close to the bone, eh?

Brian, to my knowledge I've never had a cross word with you. And no, this isn't cutting close to the bone. I worked in the worst slums in NY, and the ghetto residents I arrested deserved it. But you wouldn't have a clue about anything I've ever done, would you? I suspect your poke at me is b/c I don't adore the political fraud you do, Saint Obama, and this thread exposed his warped position on the 2nd Amendment. For you, or anyone else, to not want to know where a politician stands on specific issues is the working definition of ignorant.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-27   6:20:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Did the cops who were shot deserve it?

You advocate shooting them and made no distinction between good ones or bad ones.

Should the whole NYPD suffer collectively for the crimes of the more egregious officers?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-27   6:59:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You advocate shooting them and made no distinction between good ones or bad ones.

Who are you talking about?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-27   7:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Last week in a thread about cops abusing protesters you wrote "Shoot the bastards."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-27   7:15:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Show me the thread, and what does that have to do with this one?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-27   7:19:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sorry, I didn't bookmark it.

I thought it was odd that a former cop would advocate shooting them.

If you wish to declare war and stand toe to toe with the enemy, fine. But, it's irresponsible to advocate "shooting the bastards" for grievances either real or perceived that do not warrant a death penalty.

I can think of no situation where I should fire in the direction of someone who isn't trying to take my life at that moment. It is not a proper course of action to advocate shooting politicians, cops, county inspectors, meter maids or anyone else before fat assed Americans have even tried to restore the country through peaceful means.

Unfortunately, too many video-sated sugar babies of today demand instant gratification to any and all problems even if that means the use of deadly force, as long as they don't have to actually exert themselves over the long stretch.

The SLA, The Weathermen, Black Panthers, The Arm, The Sword & The Cross Of The Lord, etc., were/are all convinced that their reasons for shooting cops are just. And, when I see you embrace that same self serving lunacy it's disturbing to me.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-27   7:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

'Dowg, all I can do is defend my comments. On this thread I said I'd use any amount of force necessary to keep my guns from government confiscation. I don't see the problem with that position. I don't advocate it for everyone, and I believe people like me will be in the extreme minority when and if that day comes. So be it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-27   7:41:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

'Dowg, all I can do is defend my comments. On this thread I said I'd use any amount of force necessary to keep my guns from government confiscation. I don't see the problem with that position. I don't advocate it for everyone, and I believe people like me will be in the extreme minority when and if that day comes. So be it.

Well, that's certainly reasonable and I have no reason to dispute it.

My problem in this and other threads is with the "instant gratificons" who seem to think that life is a video game and the solution to all political problems is gun play.

Not only will they fold when the shit hits the fan but they will refuse to accept any responsibility for diverting attention away from boring but necessary political action we should take and for providing the govt the necessary inflammatory evidence to clamp down on other forms of expression.

Last night when I jammed Dakmar up he immediately retreated into "it was a joke" (although I don't know any sane people who think that's funny) and you summoned the spirit of Pat Robertson for support.

I don't want to match the neocons' evil blow for blow because then I'll be no better than them. and if I cannot make a manly, declarative statement that stands on its own merits without relying on a quote, ("Is it time yet, Claire?") as justification then I won't make any statement at all.

If you'll notice I seldom prop up my argument with quotes from others. I write what I feel and take the heat for it. But, right now a quote may be appropriate since I can't seem to garner respect for my own mature, well reasoned point of view.

The problem is just as Charlie Reese has described it below.

"We have met the enemy and he is us."

Too many stupid, testosterone-driven young men are rattling their sabers instead of using the brains that God gave them. And, when I chew one of them out they cluster together for support and celebrate their mediocrity. After all, if Bush proved anything it's that "It's every American's right to be a stupid sonofabitch."

Of course all are equal in christine's little world, including Todd when I tried to warn her about him.

She needs to discourage these mindless shits who post here in order to make it attractive for those with real power, the power of reason coupled with the courage to resist tyranny. (That doesn't mean back shooting some low level bureaucrats as one poster was openly wishing for last night)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-27   8:19:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"instant gratificons"

Marvelously creative phrasing!

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-27   9:57:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your thoughts on Obama's 2nd Amendment position?

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes

The U.S. Senate Debated:	Obama Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10	Anti- gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11	Anti- gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12	Anti- gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13	Anti- gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14	Anti- gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15	Anti- gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16	Pro- gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17	Anti- gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18	Anti- gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19	Anti- gun

¹Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
²Ibid.
³O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
⁴James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
⁵Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
⁶Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
⁷See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
⁸John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
⁹Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
¹⁰See supra note 6.
¹¹About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
¹²See supra note 5.
¹³As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
¹⁴On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
¹⁵On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up- your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti- gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
¹⁶On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
¹⁷On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
¹⁸Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
¹⁹See supra note 4.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-27   10:15:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#144. To: Jethro Tull (#143)

icon neither reads nor comprehends well so maybe you could come up with a diagram for third graders?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-27 10:22:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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