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Title: Saint Obama on the 2nd amendment
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Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: BHO
Post Date: 2008-03-25 17:19:57 by Jethro Tull
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Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected. We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights. I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people. Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. Sincerely, Barack Obama*
Poster Comment: Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*? Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.
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#6. To: buckeye, christine, all (#3)
What Obama is advocating here, and what the Obamaphiles choose to ignore, is that the above means that our medical/pharma records would be studied by government for signs of "mental illness." This is the socialist way and one some here are cheering for.
and who gets to define "mentally ill?" the same Obama et al who interpreted the 2nd Amendment? A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. you see anything about sportsmen there? ;)
Only if hunting corrupt politicians ever becomes a sport.
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Fear of govt. is a form of mental illness
Translation... Vote for me sucker and only criminals and the Gestapo will have guns.
Vote for me sucker and only criminals and the Gestapo will have guns. That's exactly right, but hell, it sells. It's a damn shame it sells w/constitutionalists, but that's another story for another day.
LOL
Ever notice that the most anti gun people have security people around them, "with guns"?
C'mon Jethro. More like the records kept on pedophiles but less open to the public. Something like the Virginia Tech weirdo, past due in the doing. The fear mongers have done a real job on y'all.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. ...
Many of those on this site who want Obama to be president only care about one thing and that is his promise of "free" healthcare. We may be stripped of all of our weapons, forced to wear black pajamas, have all personal property taken away and live and work where we are told to live and work, but by golly we'll have "free" healthcare and that's all that matters!!!
Hold on iconoclast, lets debate this to a logical conclusion. Before one can own a gun, Obama is proposing that some level of government determine who is mentally ill. This can only be accomplished by a new reporting addition (maybe our doctors or pharmacists) to some govt. agency, who would then enter that info into an even larger 2nd amendment data base. To be anti-govt. is to be mentally ill, ergo, I'd have no guns along with most others on this forum. That's the policy of the man you're swooning for.
Keep in mind that if the sporting use of firearms is the only legit use for them (like Cheney's high dollar 28 ga Perazzi shotgun for quail and lawyers) then they can be broken down and locked up so as to render them useless for defense. (or other unmentionable nefariousness like "keeping govt in check") Even now as the SCOTUS is hearing the case about the DC handgun ban the district's lawyers are countering claims that residents are defenseless with the fact that long guns are permitted in the district. What they aren't saying is the law requires those guns to be disassembled and stored and any resident who uses a long gun to shoot an intruder is automatically guilty of the crime of having the firearm operable, which is illegal in the district. Also, if the Feds abolish hunting on federal land and cut funding through Pittman-Robertson to the states' fish and game departments, hunting will collapse and with it the "legit need" for most personal firearms. (Trap, skeet and sporting clays wouldn't be enough reason to keep firearms at home, but rich folks could keep them in gun clubs)
Not swooning, stooping for.
I can't believe what I'm seeing from otherwise political savvy people.
How is this different from our current gun laws?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Complete with Clintonian kneepads.
Seven years ago I pissed off people on a gun board when I said that the day would come when they'd trade their guns and mine (by snitching) for "free health care". I can hear it now; "Hell, I don't hunt anymore and what does he need them dam guns for? Ah need mah health care more than he needs them dam guns! Where's that phone number, Agnes?""
hmmmm...that's a logical extension. sportsmen revolt!
Currently, people other than folks looking to exercise their "sportsman's rights" can buy, own and possess guns.
The operant phrase is "reasonable balance" which means that any firearm capable of scaring cops and politicians will be banned, and we'll end up with single shot .22 rifles and ammo with unique serial numbers on each cartridge. But, once the resulting crime wave (committed with stolen .22s) hits the news (one jewelry store will be enough) they will be banned, too.
LOL! Gee...I can't imagine why they'd get pissed!! LOL! How true it is though.
The state fish and game departments are in real trouble now because of two things. Unseasonably warm winters have greatly reduced the revenues from the sale of Gore Tex and other outdoor goods that are subject to the Pittman Robertson excise tax, so the states are already receiving a reduced share of federal matching funds from this earmarked tax. And, the economy is so bad that many folks are hunting less or not at all and the sale of licenses is falling off. The states operate many projects over several budget cycles, including research and maintaining and acquiring (through purchase or lease) new hunting areas. The funding crisis will begin to hurt all wildlife as areas are overtaken with woody growth because there's no money for helicopter or radiarc spraying of ROUNDUP to beat back the fast growing nuisance plants. And without subsidies many landowners and farmers may fail to leave "no spray zones" so quail and other ground nesting game can have lots of yummy insects to feed their young. In short, hunting may soon cease altogether, so we'd better not let the bastards link our "rights" to this fickle premise for "legit ownership of firearms."
To hear his supporters tell it this Nimrod knows something about the Constitution. It is not readily apparent, is it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And you found that in what psychiatric text book? You (and "most others" here) have been diagnosed and prescribed psychotropic drugs for being anti-govt.? I might be open to considering the first half of that query, but not the anti-govt. part. ;-)
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Got spoof? -)
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Not even a nice try, Jethro. Has nothing to do with your spoof link.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
The spoof link has nothing to do with his restricting guns to sportsmen. And yes, our government causes me anxiety which is a phobia which would qualify me for gun removal. Now please.......go peddle this douche on DU, ok?
Dear BO - F**k you, a 'Sportsman.'
People like icon that are enabling Obama. They suffer from leftwingitis or white guilt or both.
In spades :)
Oh, and thanks for the GWB link.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Go peddle your dis-information on FR.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
I'm tired, I'm old, and I'm pissed enough about all the assaults on our Second Amendment. It is what it is, and it means what it says - in plain English. Really, there are no court cases needed on this one. imo
Barack Obama: the cost of the American Constitution was blood of free RIFLEMEN: "If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
Icon, you typify the Obamaphile that dwells here. You're so eager to see this crud elected, you gladly overlook his flaws, which are legion, not to mention un-American. I have no idea what drives you folks, but it isn't any degree of political acumen. I'm glad I stand alone from groups and most people. With each passing day this nation spins deeper into the crapper because walking, talking morons think the electoral process is on the level. I'm convinced there is no information Obamaphiles could be shown that would sway them off course. You're all nothing more than FReepers twice removed.
Jim, I'm neither a sportsman or a hunter and if some creep decides only sportsmen should have guns in America, I will shoot anyone he sends who tries to disarm me. I hope others feel the same and aren't afraid to say so. That's a real revolution and not some vaporized tally in a voting booth.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
This Chinese punk is a tribute to liberalism, specifically their love affair with "gun-free zones." Obama is a huge supporter of these free fire zones, right?
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#7. To: Jethro Tull, buckeye (#6)
#8. To: christine (#7)
you see anything about sportsmen there? ;)
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
(Edited)
The official Soviet psychiatry allegedly abused the diagnosis of sluggishly progressing schizophrenia, a special form of the illness that supposedly affects only the person's social behavior, with no trace of other traits: "most frequently, ideas about a struggle for truth and justice are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure," according to the Moscow Serbsky Institute professors (a quote [4] from Vladimir Bukovsky's archives). Some of them had high rank in the MVD, such as the infamous Danil Luntz, who was characterized by Viktor Nekipelov as "no better than the criminal doctors who performed inhuman experiments on the prisoners in Nazi concentration camps" [4].
#10. To: buckeye, christine, fear of government is a form of mental illness, so NO GUNS FOR YOU (#9)
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights
#12. To: Cynicom (#11)
Translation...
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
What Obama is advocating here, and what the Obamaphiles choose to ignore, is that the above means that our medical/pharma records would be studied by government for signs of "mental illness."
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#18. To: iconoclast (#15)
#19. To: Jethro Tull, chrstine (#0)
(Edited)
Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*?
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#21. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
#23. To: Cynicom (#20)
Not swooning, stooping for.
#24. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
Many of those on this site who want Obama to be president only care about one thing and that is his promise of "free" healthcare. We may be stripped of all of our weapons, forced to wear black pajamas, have all personal property taken away and live and work where we are told to live and work, but by golly we'll have "free" healthcare and that's all that matters!!!
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
Also, if the Feds abolish hunting on federal land and cut funding through Pittman-Robertson to the states' fish and game departments, hunting will collapse and with it the "legit need" for most personal firearms.
#26. To: robin (#22)
#27. To: robin (#22)
How is this different from our current gun laws?
#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
(Edited)
I can hear it now; "Hell, I don't hunt anymore and what does he need them dam guns for? Ah need mah health care more than he needs them dam guns! Where's that phone number, Agnes?""
#29. To: christine (#25)
#30. To: christine (#1)
you have to be kidding me...what was that about the constitution?
Lord Acton
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
To be anti-govt. is to be mentally ill, ergo, I'd have no guns along with most others on this forum.
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Your link
#33. To: iconoclast (#31)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
#35. To: iconoclast (#34)
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#37. To: lodwick (#36)
#38. To: lodwick (#36)
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Got Obama, Sportsman?
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
Now please.......go peddle this douche on DU, ok?
#41. To: Cynicom, JT, 'Sportsmen and wimmen.' (#37)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#43. To: iconoclast (#39)
#44. To: lodwick (#41)
#45. To: X-15 (#42)
the cost of
the American Constitution was blood of free RIFLEMEN the life of a VA Tech professor and son of an old congregant friend of mine was the work of this dude. 
#46. To: iconoclast (#45)
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