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Title: Saint Obama on the 2nd amendment
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Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: BHO
Post Date: 2008-03-25 17:19:57 by Jethro Tull
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Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected. We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights. I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people. Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. Sincerely, Barack Obama*
Poster Comment: Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*? Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.
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#58. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#57)
you are so dead on in your comments. the irony of this is that some of us have allowed the real meaning of the 2nd--which is to protect we the people from a tyrannical government/politicians--to believing that it merely protects hunters...and in so doing, some of us have allowed them to abandon the all important 1stA. pathetic.
Pathetic indeed. The sole reason I shall never, while I'm alive, relinquish my arms is so that I have options against an illegal and evil shadow government which cares not a whit for me, mine or my nation.
Our last hope for peace As though without him we'd be sitting pretty? Between the 3, we're simply choosing the last rites we prefer at the nation's funeral, and to his credit, Obama is a good speaker and could do a good job there.
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Well, Americans need their heads examined so that ain't a bad idea.
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Actually, that is Dubya who has enforced mandatory psychological "help" for children. ACTION ALERT - Mandatory Mental Health Screening for Children The American tradition of parents deciding what is best for their children is, yet again, under attack. The pharmaceutical industry has convinced President Bush to support mandatory mental-health screening for every child in America, including preschool children, and the industry is now working to convince Congress as well. But mandatory screening alone is not what the pharmaceutical industry wants. The real payoff for the drug companies is the forced drugging of children that will result -- as we learned tragically with Ritalin -- even when parents refuse. It's an old Bolshevik trick. After all, the NeoCons are the idealogical children of Trotsky.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
obama offers nothing. in fact, the worst with his 2A stance.
Obama offers Clinton a lock on 99 per cent of the black vote.
1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
#59. To: christine (#58)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.
#61. To: buckeye (#3)
Obama would want us to get our heads examined.
#62. To: buckeye (#3)
Obama would want us to get our heads examined.
September 7, 2004
#63. To: Pinguinite (#60)
#64. To: christine (#63)
#65. To: Pinguinite, All (#60)
Rather than fall under the trance of his oratory skills, please look at his deeds and then tell me what a swell guy he is.
The U.S. Senate Debated:
Voted: Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19
2Ibid.
3O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
4James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10See supra note 6.
11About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12See supra note 5.
13As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up- your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti- gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19See supra note 4.
#66. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#57)
Great post, POJ. There's hope with folks like you around. If the day comes that we can't state the obvious (about the 2nd Amendment) then that's the day we put self limits on our 1st.
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#2) (Edited)
No mystery. It all revolves around one single, but very important issue not addressed on this thread: the WAR. Those that recognize that "War is the health of the state" believe that once interventionism is halted, winning against the state and restoring the Bill of Rights including the Second Amendment will be somewhat easier. Those that support Obama winning are at least hoping he will be the least interventionist of the three front runners. Whether their hope is misplaced or not is besides the point. It is the war, and nothing else, that is the prime mover here. From Ron Paul to the above is the political leap I can't get my head around.
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#68. To: iconoclast (#45)
And what say you about the cost of life here? Or here? the cost of the life of a VA Tech professor and son of an old congregant friend of mine was the work of this dude.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#69. To: christine (#63)
Obama has energized the Democratic base. I agree with you about his 2A stance. And as a pro-lifer I hate his abortion stance. But McCain thinks bombing babies, children and pregnant women is just fine. I keep comparing him to Hillary and McCain. Of course, he will never be a Ron Paul. But I do not believe he has the lobbyists that the other two have. Also, he has a date to get out of Iraq and has promised to restore habeas corpus. The other two have not. Obama was against the Iraq war before it started, he attacked Perle, Wolfowitz and Rove by name in that 2002 speech. He is far, far from perfect, but stands out against Hillary and McCain (especially McCain).
obama offers nothing. in fact, the worst with his 2A stance.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#70. To: HOUNDDAWG, Dakmar (#51)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#71. To: PnbC (#67)
NO IT IS NOT! It is PRECISELY people like these S-U-C-K-E-R-S that play the illegal shadow government's game that is the reason we're watching yet another ridiculous kabuki dance...
Whether their hope is misplaced or not is besides the point.
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#72. To: robin (#69)
...but continued to support funding for it. No he's just "For the troops". RIIIIGHT. LOLOLAY Obama was against the Iraq war before it started
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#73. To: FormerLurker (#68)
I suggest having a couple of worthless throwaways to hand over to the goobermint when the day comes...
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#74. To: FOH (#72)
As has been pointed out, by me and others, it is NOT unreasonable to support the troops once they have been deployed and during the occupation. Would you rather they starve, be w/o equipment, ammo, water? Obama has given a firm date to get them out of Iraq, Hillary has not. And McCain wants 100 years of war.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#75. To: robin (#74)
Do you even know anything that you talk about????
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#76. To: FOH (#75)
I guess you would have preferred our troops not have everything they need for protection while in Iraq. Obama defends votes in favor of Iraq funding ---------------------------------------------------------- And on torture and Gitmo and habeas corpus, Barack Obama: In the five years that the President's system of military tribunals has existed, not one terrorist has been tried. Not one has been convicted. And in the end, the Supreme Court of the United found the whole thing unconstitutional, which is why we're here today. We could have fixed all of this in a way that allows us to detain and interrogate and try suspected terrorists while still protecting the accidentally accused from spending their lives locked away in Guantanamo Bay. Easily. This was not an either-or question. * Instead of allowing this President - or any President - to decide what does and does not constitute torture, we could have left the definition up to our own laws and to the Geneva Conventions, as we would have if we passed the bill that the Armed Services committee originally offered. * Instead of detainees arriving at Guantanamo and facing a Combatant Status Review Tribunal that allows them no real chance to prove their innocence with evidence or a lawyer, we could have developed a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused. * And instead of not just suspending, but eliminating, the right of habeas corpus - the seven century-old right of individuals to challenge the terms of their own detention, we could have given the accused one chance - one single chance - to ask the government why they are being held and what they are being charged with. --------------------------------------------------------------------
"I have been very clear even as a candidate that, once we were in, that we were going to have some responsibility to make it work as best we could, and more importantly that our troops had the best resources they needed to get home safely," Obama, an Illinois Democrat, told reporters in a conference call. "So I don't think there is any contradiction there."
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#70)
i don't agree. there was nothing wrong with what Dak said. first of all, it was a joke in context with the topic of this thread. secondly, the 2A means exactly what it says. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. it's for the people's protection against a tyrannical government. we have every right to say it.
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
Sad to say I've been seeing that since the late 1990's. More than a few email lists and forums I were on had verboten topics because "they" could be listening and "they" would shut down the lists and forums. On one the subject of what to do if FEDGOV showed up to confiscate your food and medical supplies in a survival situation came up. Anyone who answered along the lines of "feed em to the hogs!" was banned. Anyone who was banned was sent off with a hale of "Get lost, KOOK!" posts. Such a paradox. Stating that you will defend you own bests interests to the last is a crime. Daydreaming about sitting in the gunner's seat of a Bradley and pumping 25mm rounds into ragheads (or American hating hippies) all day means you love America and the terrorists haven't won.
If the day comes that we can't state the obvious (about the 2nd Amendment) then that's the day we put self limits on our 1st.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.
"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
#79. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#78)
#80. To: christine (#63)
As if the other 2 will do the country any favors? It'll be one of the 3 and all will be domestic disasters. But as a country, we have an obligation to respect the people of other countries and end the empire state. Is it moral to vote for a warmonger just to protect our 2A rights if it means more death and destruction in Iraq and Iran? I say no. The USA is dead anyway as Ron Paul won't be president so what difference does the 2A make anyway? It's already been shot to hell anyway.
obama offers nothing. in fact, the worst with his 2A stance.
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
#81. To: christine (#77)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#82. To: Pinguinite (#80)
Do you possess any firearms for your defense down there in Ecuador?
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#83. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
World Communists have sanctuary on 4um. That's the purpose of the site, FREEDOM. Even for pipple that want MINE and MY FAMILY'S FREEDOM. And I have the FREEDOM to mock and ridicule them for BEING World Communists...
Now please.......go peddle this douche on DU, ok?
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#84. To: Critter (#8)
An idea whose time has truly arrived. Please let me know when the first round of competition begins.
Only if hunting corrupt politicians ever becomes a sport.
#85. To: robin (#62)
The NeoCons didn't invent the idea. Your World Socialist/Communist comrades did... They might perfect it though, since you can't see that NeoCons like Bush and McCain are on the same trajectory of destruction for America/ns as the NeoCommmies like Stalinist Hitlery and Black Panther Marxist Che Obama will be. The funniest thing is your claiming that your life requires a 'clear mind'...LOLOL
ACTION ALERT - Mandatory Mental Health Screening for Children
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#86. To: Jethro Tull (#79)
If 1,000 high level cabal-ers disappeared suddenly, the illegal shadow government might run away...
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#87. To: Pinguinite (#80)
yes but, imho, our only response should be a complete rejection of the system and the national party. by voting for them, we are ENDORSING the fraud and showing that we'll accept more of the same. if you feel like you must vote, at least write in Ron Paul or the Consitution Party candidate.
#88. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#78)
I'm banned from the High Road for stating to obvious.
More than a few email lists and forums I were on had verboten topics because "they" could be listening and "they" would shut down the lists and forums.
Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution
#89. To: FOH (#82)
At the moment, no. It's not a Constitutional right here, but permits can be had. While it may be tempting to say Ecuador is a lessor country in that respect, the sum total of paperwork BS for getting a firearm may well be comparable to the USA. It may be even easier, but I won't know until purchase time comes.
Do you possess any firearms for your defense down there in Ecuador?
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#90. To: christine (#87)
I'm writing in Ron Paul.
Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution
#91. To: christine (#87)
I would vote for Ron Paul regardless, as voting for him makes an appropriate statement and nets the most positive good even though he would not win, but between H, O and M, it seems O has the most likelihood of ending the ME intervention/invasion. Maybe he wouldn't, but he seems more likely to.
if you feel like you must vote, at least write in Ron Paul or the Consitution Party candidate.
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#92. To: Pinguinite (#91)
Stop emoting my friend! You have nothing to base this on...they're ALL ON THE SAME TEAM!
it seems O has the most likelihood of ending the ME intervention/invasion. Maybe he wouldn't, but he seems more likely to.
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#93. To: Critter (#88)
what's the High Road?
#94. To: Critter (#8)
Just think how great it would be with no bag limit! And target-rich environments all over the country from the smallest hamlets to the huge metropolitan complexes. Yes indeed.
Only if hunting corrupt politicians ever becomes a sport.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#95. To: Pinguinite (#80) (Edited)
The One World Monopolists will kill anyone that doesn't go along. All 3 are on the SAME TEAM! Their M.O.s might be varied, and YOUR MILEAGE may vary, but you're going to get the SAME GAME!!
Is it moral to vote for a warmonger just to protect our 2A rights if it means more death and destruction in Iraq and Iran?
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#96. To: James Deffenbach (#94)
Just think how great it would be with no bag limit! And target-rich environments all over the country from the smallest hamlets to the huge metropolitan complexes. Yes indeed.
You had me day dreaming for a moment!! ahaha
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#97. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#78)
Such a paradox. Stating that you will defend you own bests interests to the last is a crime. Daydreaming about sitting in the gunner's seat of a Bradley and pumping 25mm rounds into ragheads (or American hating hippies) all day means you love America and the terrorists haven't won. Hold on there, you can't just go around throwing out sound logic, it's detrimental to everything we were taught in government schools and might lead to people questioning authority....
On one the subject of what to do if FEDGOV showed up to confiscate your food and medical supplies in a survival situation came up. Anyone who answered along the lines of "feed em to the hogs!" was banned. Anyone who was banned was sent off with a hale of "Get lost, KOOK!" posts.
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
#98. To: FOH (#96)
Dreaming is good. I engage in it whenever possible.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
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