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Title: Saint Obama on the 2nd amendment
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Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: BHO
Post Date: 2008-03-25 17:19:57 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 10433
Comments: 170
Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected. We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights. I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people. Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. Sincerely, Barack Obama*
Poster Comment: Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*? Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.
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#76. To: FOH (#75)
I guess you would have preferred our troops not have everything they need for protection while in Iraq. Obama defends votes in favor of Iraq funding ---------------------------------------------------------- And on torture and Gitmo and habeas corpus, Barack Obama: In the five years that the President's system of military tribunals has existed, not one terrorist has been tried. Not one has been convicted. And in the end, the Supreme Court of the United found the whole thing unconstitutional, which is why we're here today. We could have fixed all of this in a way that allows us to detain and interrogate and try suspected terrorists while still protecting the accidentally accused from spending their lives locked away in Guantanamo Bay. Easily. This was not an either-or question. * Instead of allowing this President - or any President - to decide what does and does not constitute torture, we could have left the definition up to our own laws and to the Geneva Conventions, as we would have if we passed the bill that the Armed Services committee originally offered. * Instead of detainees arriving at Guantanamo and facing a Combatant Status Review Tribunal that allows them no real chance to prove their innocence with evidence or a lawyer, we could have developed a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused. * And instead of not just suspending, but eliminating, the right of habeas corpus - the seven century-old right of individuals to challenge the terms of their own detention, we could have given the accused one chance - one single chance - to ask the government why they are being held and what they are being charged with. --------------------------------------------------------------------
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
i don't agree. there was nothing wrong with what Dak said. first of all, it was a joke in context with the topic of this thread. secondly, the 2A means exactly what it says. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. it's for the people's protection against a tyrannical government. we have every right to say it.
Sad to say I've been seeing that since the late 1990's. More than a few email lists and forums I were on had verboten topics because "they" could be listening and "they" would shut down the lists and forums. On one the subject of what to do if FEDGOV showed up to confiscate your food and medical supplies in a survival situation came up. Anyone who answered along the lines of "feed em to the hogs!" was banned. Anyone who was banned was sent off with a hale of "Get lost, KOOK!" posts. Such a paradox. Stating that you will defend you own bests interests to the last is a crime. Daydreaming about sitting in the gunner's seat of a Bradley and pumping 25mm rounds into ragheads (or American hating hippies) all day means you love America and the terrorists haven't won.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
As if the other 2 will do the country any favors? It'll be one of the 3 and all will be domestic disasters. But as a country, we have an obligation to respect the people of other countries and end the empire state. Is it moral to vote for a warmonger just to protect our 2A rights if it means more death and destruction in Iraq and Iran? I say no. The USA is dead anyway as Ron Paul won't be president so what difference does the 2A make anyway? It's already been shot to hell anyway.
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Do you possess any firearms for your defense down there in Ecuador?
World Communists have sanctuary on 4um. That's the purpose of the site, FREEDOM. Even for pipple that want MINE and MY FAMILY'S FREEDOM. And I have the FREEDOM to mock and ridicule them for BEING World Communists...
An idea whose time has truly arrived. Please let me know when the first round of competition begins.
The NeoCons didn't invent the idea. Your World Socialist/Communist comrades did... They might perfect it though, since you can't see that NeoCons like Bush and McCain are on the same trajectory of destruction for America/ns as the NeoCommmies like Stalinist Hitlery and Black Panther Marxist Che Obama will be. The funniest thing is your claiming that your life requires a 'clear mind'...LOLOL
If 1,000 high level cabal-ers disappeared suddenly, the illegal shadow government might run away...
yes but, imho, our only response should be a complete rejection of the system and the national party. by voting for them, we are ENDORSING the fraud and showing that we'll accept more of the same. if you feel like you must vote, at least write in Ron Paul or the Consitution Party candidate.
I'm banned from the High Road for stating to obvious.
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At the moment, no. It's not a Constitutional right here, but permits can be had. While it may be tempting to say Ecuador is a lessor country in that respect, the sum total of paperwork BS for getting a firearm may well be comparable to the USA. It may be even easier, but I won't know until purchase time comes.
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
I'm writing in Ron Paul.
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I would vote for Ron Paul regardless, as voting for him makes an appropriate statement and nets the most positive good even though he would not win, but between H, O and M, it seems O has the most likelihood of ending the ME intervention/invasion. Maybe he wouldn't, but he seems more likely to.
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
Stop emoting my friend! You have nothing to base this on...they're ALL ON THE SAME TEAM!
what's the High Road?
Just think how great it would be with no bag limit! And target-rich environments all over the country from the smallest hamlets to the huge metropolitan complexes. Yes indeed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The One World Monopolists will kill anyone that doesn't go along. All 3 are on the SAME TEAM! Their M.O.s might be varied, and YOUR MILEAGE may vary, but you're going to get the SAME GAME!!
Such a paradox. Stating that you will defend you own bests interests to the last is a crime. Daydreaming about sitting in the gunner's seat of a Bradley and pumping 25mm rounds into ragheads (or American hating hippies) all day means you love America and the terrorists haven't won. Hold on there, you can't just go around throwing out sound logic, it's detrimental to everything we were taught in government schools and might lead to people questioning authority....
"If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
Dreaming is good. I engage in it whenever possible.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're right, giant red flashing letters would have been much better.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
A forum, supposedly for politically incorrect gun owners. It was started by Oleg Volk, who at one time, was quite a pro 2A guy, but seems to have sold his soul.
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Start with critters with known ties to subversive, Constitution-hating institutions such as the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateralists and Bilderberg...for starters. The illegal shadow government bleeds, too.
NOT!
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That's why we're fortunate to have the 'edit' option on this fine site...
The next revolution is going to start with the assassination of some obscure, petty bureaucrat that pisses someone off big time, with petty bureaucratic bullshit. Then another, and another, until it steamrolls out of control.
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What I really meant was that if politicians can change the meaning of the Constitution at will, which if you remember from civics class is a pact with We The People, maybe we can change the definition of "sports".
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
NOT! DOH! hehehe
You only have X amount of time to do so, two hours I think.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
I believe it's as many edits as you wish within 3 hours of the 1st edit...
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES (have you read it?)
yes, you're correct.
Not yet. Maybe one of these days...
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I've been involved in several shooting situations, and if you had you'd know that sane, healthy people don't find anything humorous about shootings, and they don't solve ordinary political problems with unilateral gun play. JT, you advocated "shooting the bastards" in a recent discussion about abusive cops' treatment of protesters. Were you "joking", too? And, Pat Robertson is a fucking kook neocon religious fanatic. and, true patriots condemned his remarks. They certainly don't use him for cover. There are too many sickos who believe that the America they're trying to "restore" is one where any bureaucratic nuisance is met with a hail of bullets. That has never been the definition of freedom here and only silly shits who've never been in a shooting would say something that fucking stupid. Patriots don't shoot meter maids, city inspectors or even politicians as a form of collective punishment because A) it's morally wrong, and B) it will only result in draconian responses that make things worse. You can share your foxhole with sick little shits who joke about the very unfunny shooting of unarmed and unsuspecting politicians, but, don't be surprised if you get back shot by a sicko someday. I'm quite likely the best pistolero on this fucking board, and I don't ever joke about the business of war, because if and when it comes you and these assholes like Dakmar will see soon enough that there's not a goddam thing about it that's funny. And, Hell, if you were still on the job you'd be the first to arrest a protester for shooting a cop and for violating those fucked up NYC gun laws regardless of how legit the grievance against the police.
When the end comes in this nation I see the farcical view of people being crushed under the tank treads while pleading with their last breath that things can still be resolved via political process. At the same time they'll hurl insults and scorn at the few people who are brave and prudent enough to try prying open the commander's hatch to heave a molotov inside. The thugs in DC can call for the destruction of nations simply because we have spare bombs sitting around, sing "bomb bomb Iran", entertain the idea of "limited" nuclear strikes, and look the American people in the eye and say "your opinion means nothing"; That's okay. ...but make a joke about hunting your congressman for sport and you're the nut that needs to be locked up. I can't decide if Americans are the biggest cowards God ever made or has the majority of the population truly gone insane. Listen you fucking pussy, you will piss your pants and hide under your bed when the shit hits the fan. So, fuck off you two faced ass kisser!
The illegal shadow government bleeds, too. Why don't you name them and make up a death list? christine, are you getting this? This isn't about a patriot revolution. It's about forming an assassins' cult. Making sure they target unarmed and unsuspecting bureaucrats. After all, they wouldn't want to attack a special forces team and risk getting shot themselves, right? Fucking cowards.
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"I have been very clear even as a candidate that, once we were in, that we were going to have some responsibility to make it work as best we could, and more importantly that our troops had the best resources they needed to get home safely," Obama, an Illinois Democrat, told reporters in a conference call. "So I don't think there is any contradiction there."
#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#70)
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
If the day comes that we can't state the obvious (about the 2nd Amendment) then that's the day we put self limits on our 1st.
#79. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#78)
#80. To: christine (#63)
obama offers nothing. in fact, the worst with his 2A stance.
#81. To: christine (#77)
#82. To: Pinguinite (#80)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#83. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
Now please.......go peddle this douche on DU, ok?
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#84. To: Critter (#8)
Only if hunting corrupt politicians ever becomes a sport.
#85. To: robin (#62)
ACTION ALERT - Mandatory Mental Health Screening for Children
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#79)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#87. To: Pinguinite (#80)
#88. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#78)
More than a few email lists and forums I were on had verboten topics because "they" could be listening and "they" would shut down the lists and forums.
#89. To: FOH (#82)
Do you possess any firearms for your defense down there in Ecuador?
#90. To: christine (#87)
#91. To: christine (#87)
if you feel like you must vote, at least write in Ron Paul or the Consitution Party candidate.
#92. To: Pinguinite (#91)
it seems O has the most likelihood of ending the ME intervention/invasion. Maybe he wouldn't, but he seems more likely to.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#93. To: Critter (#88)
#94. To: Critter (#8)
Only if hunting corrupt politicians ever becomes a sport.
Lord Acton
#95. To: Pinguinite (#80)
(Edited)
Is it moral to vote for a warmonger just to protect our 2A rights if it means more death and destruction in Iraq and Iran?
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#96. To: James Deffenbach (#94)
Just think how great it would be with no bag limit! And target-rich environments all over the country from the smallest hamlets to the huge metropolitan complexes. Yes indeed.
You had me day dreaming for a moment!! ahaha
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#97. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#78)
On one the subject of what to do if FEDGOV showed up to confiscate your food and medical supplies in a survival situation came up. Anyone who answered along the lines of "feed em to the hogs!" was banned. Anyone who was banned was sent off with a hale of "Get lost, KOOK!" posts.
#98. To: FOH (#96)
Lord Acton
#99. To: ghostdogtxn (#70)
I'm gonna have to go with HOUNDDAWG on this one, Dakmar. I'd suggest you edit your comment.
#100. To: christine (#93)
#101. To: Dakmar (#50)
I've just declared shooting politicians a sport.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#102. To: FOH (#101)
Start with critters...
#103. To: Dakmar, christine (#99)
You're right, giant red flashing letters would have been much better.
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#104. To: James Deffenbach (#94)
And target-rich environments all over the country from the smallest hamlets to the huge metropolitan complexes.
#105. To: FOH (#101)
Start with critters with known ties to subversive, Constitution-hating institutions such as the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateralists and Bilderberg...for starters.
#106. To: Critter (#102)
Start with critters...
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#107. To: FOH (#103)
That's why we're fortunate to have the 'edit' option on this fine site...
#108. To: Dakmar (#105)
(Edited)
Just surviving as a patriot American in Amerika has become a sport...
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#109. To: Dakmar, christine (#107)
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...
#110. To: Critter (#104)
#111. To: FOH (#109)
#112. To: christine (#110)
#113. To: Jethro Tull, Dakmar, christine (#56)
I get the sportsman connection, Dak. And anyone who knows your sense of humor gets it. BTW, wasn't it Pat Robertson who called for the assassination of Chavez for political sport? On his Christian Broadcasting Network no less? Or perhaps you were alluding to our esteemed VP who shot his best friend and confidant while sporting? My statement stands and I don't give a rats ass who likes it or not; the day this government attempts to disarm me is the day I say no. If anyone here thinks the 2nd is about anything less then to fight back against a tyrannical govt. then Obama and his ilk have completed their mission.
#114. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#57)
Judging by the thread, I'd say they've already won. Years of conditioning have finally convinced most people to work within the very system that is their enemy and that any "hotheads" should be turned into the local DHS office.
#115. To: FOH, christine (#101)
Start with critters with known ties to subversive, Constitution-hating institutions such as the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateralists and Bilderberg...for starters.
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