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Title: Saint Obama on the 2nd amendment
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Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: BHO
Post Date: 2008-03-25 17:19:57 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 170
Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected. We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights. I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people. Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. Sincerely, Barack Obama*
Poster Comment: Did you know that it was written for *"..sportsman's rights.."*? Saint Barack: the final nail in the coffin of America.
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#19. To: Jethro Tull, chrstine (#0)
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Keep in mind that if the sporting use of firearms is the only legit use for them (like Cheney's high dollar 28 ga Perazzi shotgun for quail and lawyers) then they can be broken down and locked up so as to render them useless for defense. (or other unmentionable nefariousness like "keeping govt in check") Even now as the SCOTUS is hearing the case about the DC handgun ban the district's lawyers are countering claims that residents are defenseless with the fact that long guns are permitted in the district. What they aren't saying is the law requires those guns to be disassembled and stored and any resident who uses a long gun to shoot an intruder is automatically guilty of the crime of having the firearm operable, which is illegal in the district. Also, if the Feds abolish hunting on federal land and cut funding through Pittman-Robertson to the states' fish and game departments, hunting will collapse and with it the "legit need" for most personal firearms. (Trap, skeet and sporting clays wouldn't be enough reason to keep firearms at home, but rich folks could keep them in gun clubs)
Not swooning, stooping for.
I can't believe what I'm seeing from otherwise political savvy people.
How is this different from our current gun laws?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Complete with Clintonian kneepads.
Seven years ago I pissed off people on a gun board when I said that the day would come when they'd trade their guns and mine (by snitching) for "free health care". I can hear it now; "Hell, I don't hunt anymore and what does he need them dam guns for? Ah need mah health care more than he needs them dam guns! Where's that phone number, Agnes?""
hmmmm...that's a logical extension. sportsmen revolt!
Currently, people other than folks looking to exercise their "sportsman's rights" can buy, own and possess guns.
The operant phrase is "reasonable balance" which means that any firearm capable of scaring cops and politicians will be banned, and we'll end up with single shot .22 rifles and ammo with unique serial numbers on each cartridge. But, once the resulting crime wave (committed with stolen .22s) hits the news (one jewelry store will be enough) they will be banned, too.
LOL! Gee...I can't imagine why they'd get pissed!! LOL! How true it is though.
The state fish and game departments are in real trouble now because of two things. Unseasonably warm winters have greatly reduced the revenues from the sale of Gore Tex and other outdoor goods that are subject to the Pittman Robertson excise tax, so the states are already receiving a reduced share of federal matching funds from this earmarked tax. And, the economy is so bad that many folks are hunting less or not at all and the sale of licenses is falling off. The states operate many projects over several budget cycles, including research and maintaining and acquiring (through purchase or lease) new hunting areas. The funding crisis will begin to hurt all wildlife as areas are overtaken with woody growth because there's no money for helicopter or radiarc spraying of ROUNDUP to beat back the fast growing nuisance plants. And without subsidies many landowners and farmers may fail to leave "no spray zones" so quail and other ground nesting game can have lots of yummy insects to feed their young. In short, hunting may soon cease altogether, so we'd better not let the bastards link our "rights" to this fickle premise for "legit ownership of firearms."
To hear his supporters tell it this Nimrod knows something about the Constitution. It is not readily apparent, is it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And you found that in what psychiatric text book? You (and "most others" here) have been diagnosed and prescribed psychotropic drugs for being anti-govt.? I might be open to considering the first half of that query, but not the anti-govt. part. ;-)
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Got spoof? -)
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Not even a nice try, Jethro. Has nothing to do with your spoof link.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
The spoof link has nothing to do with his restricting guns to sportsmen. And yes, our government causes me anxiety which is a phobia which would qualify me for gun removal. Now please.......go peddle this douche on DU, ok?
Dear BO - F**k you, a 'Sportsman.'
People like icon that are enabling Obama. They suffer from leftwingitis or white guilt or both.
In spades :)
Oh, and thanks for the GWB link.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
Go peddle your dis-information on FR.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
I'm tired, I'm old, and I'm pissed enough about all the assaults on our Second Amendment. It is what it is, and it means what it says - in plain English. Really, there are no court cases needed on this one. imo
Barack Obama: the cost of the American Constitution was blood of free RIFLEMEN: "If the Union was formed by the accession of States, then the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States." ---Daniel Webster, US Senate, Feb. 15, 1833
Icon, you typify the Obamaphile that dwells here. You're so eager to see this crud elected, you gladly overlook his flaws, which are legion, not to mention un-American. I have no idea what drives you folks, but it isn't any degree of political acumen. I'm glad I stand alone from groups and most people. With each passing day this nation spins deeper into the crapper because walking, talking morons think the electoral process is on the level. I'm convinced there is no information Obamaphiles could be shown that would sway them off course. You're all nothing more than FReepers twice removed.
Jim, I'm neither a sportsman or a hunter and if some creep decides only sportsmen should have guns in America, I will shoot anyone he sends who tries to disarm me. I hope others feel the same and aren't afraid to say so. That's a real revolution and not some vaporized tally in a voting booth.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
This Chinese punk is a tribute to liberalism, specifically their love affair with "gun-free zones." Obama is a huge supporter of these free fire zones, right?
He's a tribute to your brand of narrow-minded non-thinking and contemporary America's incompetence .... the shooter's mental records were kept secret and his bizarre behavior was ignored.
The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton
And how should our government keep said mental records? Please explain the mechanics in some detail, or at least to the best of your ability.
I have to admit that I took a certain delight in aggravating those old socialists who believe themselves to be patriots.
I've just declared shooting politicians a sport.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
FOR THE RECORD: IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO THREATEN TO OVERTHROW THE GOVT BY FORCE. This is a discussion board not a mosh pit for violent psychos, and it's not your place to cast 4um into disrepute with such declarations. Do you even reside in the US? If not then, please stop trying to initiate violence during which you will have nothing to lose or in which you'll have nothing to contribute.
Paranoid much? It was a fucking joke, take your medicine.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
If that's your idea of humor then you're a fucking idiot. Knock it off or get used to me getting in your ass every time.
Fine, are you going to get on the case of everyone who has ever posted "Is it time yet, Claire?" also?
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
If you think advocating the murder of Americans is humorous, then I ask you again, DO YOU EVEN LIVE IN AMERICA? Americans can take this country back without firing a shot, and we don't need selfish, maladjusted, arrested development outpatients advocating the last resort before we even start to act through peaceful means. If you want to invite govt surveillance then start your own website; "WE BE THE PSYCHOS! NOW OPEN FOR BIZNESS! Do you have a gripe with elected officials? Then why not just kill them?"_by DAKMAR the anonymous chickenshit coward-instigator-agent provocateur
I get the sportsman connection, Dak. And anyone who knows your sense of humor gets it. BTW, wasn't it Pat Robertson who called for the assassination of Chavez for political sport? On his Christian Broadcasting Network no less? Or perhaps you were alluding to our esteemed VP who shot his best friend and confidant while sporting? My statement stands and I don't give a rats ass who likes it or not; the day this government attempts to disarm me is the day I say no. If anyone here thinks the 2nd is about anything less then to fight back against a tyrannical govt. then Obama and his ilk have completed their mission.
Judging by the thread, I'd say they've already won. Years of conditioning have finally convinced most people to work within the very system that is their enemy and that any "hotheads" should be turned into the local DHS office. When the end comes in this nation I see the farcical view of people being crushed under the tank treads while pleading with their last breath that things can still be resolved via political process. At the same time they'll hurl insults and scorn at the few people who are brave and prudent enough to try prying open the commander's hatch to heave a molotov inside. The thugs in DC can call for the destruction of nations simply because we have spare bombs sitting around, sing "bomb bomb Iran", entertain the idea of "limited" nuclear strikes, and look the American people in the eye and say "your opinion means nothing"; That's okay. ...but make a joke about hunting your congressman for sport and you're the nut that needs to be locked up. I can't decide if Americans are the biggest cowards God ever made or has the majority of the population truly gone insane.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
you are so dead on in your comments. the irony of this is that some of us have allowed the real meaning of the 2nd--which is to protect we the people from a tyrannical government/politicians--to believing that it merely protects hunters...and in so doing, some of us have allowed them to abandon the all important 1stA. pathetic.
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#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#21. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
#23. To: Cynicom (#20)
Not swooning, stooping for.
#24. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
Many of those on this site who want Obama to be president only care about one thing and that is his promise of "free" healthcare. We may be stripped of all of our weapons, forced to wear black pajamas, have all personal property taken away and live and work where we are told to live and work, but by golly we'll have "free" healthcare and that's all that matters!!!
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
Also, if the Feds abolish hunting on federal land and cut funding through Pittman-Robertson to the states' fish and game departments, hunting will collapse and with it the "legit need" for most personal firearms.
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#27. To: robin (#22)
How is this different from our current gun laws?
#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
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I can hear it now; "Hell, I don't hunt anymore and what does he need them dam guns for? Ah need mah health care more than he needs them dam guns! Where's that phone number, Agnes?""
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#30. To: christine (#1)
you have to be kidding me...what was that about the constitution?
Lord Acton
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
To be anti-govt. is to be mentally ill, ergo, I'd have no guns along with most others on this forum.
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Your link
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#36. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#37. To: lodwick (#36)
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#39. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Got Obama, Sportsman?
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#35)
Now please.......go peddle this douche on DU, ok?
#41. To: Cynicom, JT, 'Sportsmen and wimmen.' (#37)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#43. To: iconoclast (#39)
#44. To: lodwick (#41)
#45. To: X-15 (#42)
the cost of
the American Constitution was blood of free RIFLEMEN the life of a VA Tech professor and son of an old congregant friend of mine was the work of this dude. 
#46. To: iconoclast (#45)
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
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This Chinese punk is a tribute to liberalism
#48. To: iconoclast (#47)
#49. To: Hayek Fan (#28)
LOL! Gee...I can't imagine why they'd get pissed!! LOL! How true it is though.
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#51. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull, christine, rowdee, robin, Diana, ghostdogtxn, aristeides (#50)
I've just declared shooting politicians a sport.
#52. To: HOUNDDAWG (#51)
#53. To: Dakmar (#52)
#54. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)
#55. To: Dakmar (#54)
#56. To: Dakmar (#50)
I've just declared shooting politicians a sport.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
If anyone here thinks the 2nd is about anything less then to fight back against a tyrannical govt. then Obama and his ilk have completed their mission.
#58. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#57)
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