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Title: Ron Paul says he doesn't believe "the towers went down by microwaves from outer space", but that the 9/11 investigation should be reopened. (audio & transcript)
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URL Source: http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/hotspot.html
Published: Mar 25, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-03-25 21:40:37 by Artisan
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Keywords: ron paul, inside job
Views: 474
Comments: 36

RON PAUL ON COAST TO COAST AM, 3/24/08

This is a transcript of the 9/11 related questions which Paul addressed during last night's show.

http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/hotspot.html

http://207.44.144.49/~ronpaula/RonPaulCoastToCoastGeorgeNoorey032408.mp3

http://207.44.144.49/~ronpaula/RonPaulCoastToCoastGeorgeNoorey032408.m3u

19:20

George Noory: do you believe that if we lived on a planet that was totally peaceful, I mean nobody was fighting.. that special interest groups, would create problems, in order to create war, and possibly even terror?

Ron Paul: Well it seems that is human nature, unfortunately, you know, we were told there'd be wars and rumors of wars so it must be engrained into the human, uh, soul, in many ways, which bothers me to no end because, I don't understand it, it just seems so so foolish I just cannot concieve how, how, our people can, and people of the world can always be fighting and killing each other and reject the idea.. I mean.. we don't, we don't seem to make any progress.. I mean we just keep doing the same thing over and over again, and not ever using just common sense!

(At 24:24 Caller Joe asks:)

Um, congressman, I just wanted to ask you, um, first I'd like to say before i ask my question, I have a lot of respect for you, you seem like one of the few politicians that actually will stick to their guns, regardless of what anyone thinks. That being said, my question is, how do you feel about the fact that maybe, um, you have a certain section of followers that are so caught up in the ridiculous conspiracy theories such as, uh, 911 was caused by America, or, we didn't actually go to the moon,.. that, it tends to detract from your legitimacy. and do you plan on doing anything about it, or, have you tried to address that, or..

Ron Paul: well, you know, uh, I can't do a whole lot about it. Uh, and I think to some degree, what you say, uh, is true. But, the whole thing is, is, when you defend freedom, you defend your right to think and do whatever you want. as long as you're not hurting other people. So I would defend freedom of religion- and there's a lot of silly things that go on in the name of religion. So if you join me because of your religous beliefs and you know, that, uh, I'm not gonna bother you and I'm not gonna arrest you for it, yes, you would join and say 'yeah they'll leave me alone'.

This is one reason why- If you want to talk about true diversity, you have to look at what, the kind of people that support us and that come to our meetings. much moreso than all this other talk about diversity and bringing people together. So no, I can't control what people think- now, I don't have to endorse what they, what they, uh, what they think. But if you endorse freedom, all of the sudden you being people together that are quite different and they will have different views, and I don't make any attempt to try to sort it out,

I have - we've gotten 40,000 different people sign up on our webpage, uh, there's no way I could monitor, and I'm really not even going to try,. but if somebody comes and and says well what do you believe, .. and uh, if they ask me, 'do you think the towers went down by, uh, microwaves from outer space?' I'll say no, I don't believe that. You know I just tell em what I believe, and that's, to me what is the most important, is I tell people what I believe.

George Noory: You know what I'd like to see congressman is perhaps the 9/11 commission reopened again; a new investigation, with some of these professors and scientists who, have brought some pretty fascinating information forward, which really was never looked at during the original investigation.

Ron Paul: And I can agree with that and that's my position. I think it should be reopened, I think that, uhh, it didn't solve any problems, yet I don't, you know, I don't claim I know the answers. and I don't say our government did it. and I know some of my supporters would say that. "oh yeah, I know our united states government actually did this as part of a conspiracy". And I don't personally believe that, and I don't say it. But I still, am not satisfied with the investigation. There's a rare government investigation that I am satisfied with, because usually what they do is they're just covering up their ineptness and all other kind of problems, I mean , look at the assassination of Kennedy. I mean I think 80 some percent of the American people don't believe that Oswald did that all by himself. So noboy's trusted those kind of investigations.

But our big problem there - unless you can really trust your government,- so say we get Hillary in or McCain in, and they say, 'oh, okay, the people want to have another investigation'. Are you gonna be happy with the next investigation? If you don't have absolute confidence in the person and individuals in your government, to just have another investigation, you know, will be to cover up.. the other investigation!

George Noory: well that's true and what is happened here, and we can sense it, we can feel it, you can feel it, that's part of your campaign, your platform, people have lost trust in government in all areas.... Subscribe to *9-11*

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#1. To: Artisan (#0)

... people have lost trust in government in all areas....

DOH - ya think, George?

Lod  posted on  2008-03-25   22:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

this is a great video-

'HILLARY CLINTON GETS OWNED BY CBS NEWS'

www.liveleak.com/e/b45_120640875 7

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   22:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lodwick, robin, christine, honway (#1)

and uh, if they ask me, 'do you think the towers went down by, uh, microwaves from outer space?'

While he distances himself from the 9/11 issue, I don't know why Paul has to use such disingenuous and absurd contentions as if to broadbrush all 911 truthers into such categories. Maybe as honway says, he is actually an idiot or coward?

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   22:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Artisan (#2)

lol. "remember in politics, memories should always match the video tape."

christine  posted on  2008-03-25   22:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan (#3)

I don't know why Paul has to use such disingenuous and absurd contentions as if to broadbrush all 911 truthers into such categories.

yeah, that's troublesome.

christine  posted on  2008-03-25   22:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#5)

Paul also just as inexplicably dropped out of the presidential race.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-25   23:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Artisan (#0)

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe "the towers went down by microwaves from outer space", but that the 9/11 investigation should be reopened. (audio & transcript)

The BIG interview would have been a yawner at any time of day.

Hope y'all didn't stay up.

The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-25   23:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Artisan (#3)

Maybe as honway says, he is actually an idiot or coward?

If it weren't for his record in Congress, I'd think he'd probably be a bit of both. I really can't see though how someone with his background can be so absurdly blind to 9/11, and to the fact that the offical story just doesn't add up.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-03-25   23:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom, ALL (#6)

he's still saying he didn't quit. he just said that in his conversation with John Stadtmiller on yesterday's show. you can listen to the archive here.

it's a little less than 30 mins in length. scroll down to 3/24 and click hour 1.

christine  posted on  2008-03-25   23:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#8) (Edited)

i don't see how he can get past the stand down of NORAD and not know for certain it was an inside job. nevermind how the towers and building 7 collapsed at freefall speed.

christine  posted on  2008-03-25   23:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#10)

I'm wondering if good ole Ron is truly one of the good guys, or if he's just pretending to be. He certainly collected a lot of money from people, along with a lot of email addresses and stuff...

There's all sorts of possibilities here.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-03-26   1:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Artisan, lodwick, robin, christine, honway (#3)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-26   14:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: ghostdogtxn (#12)

9/11 and Israel are two topics that are taboo for politicians who are not retiring yet.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-26   14:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, robin, christine, noone222, angle, Richard9151, nobody, FerretMike, ALL (#0)

"...our united states government actually did this as part of a conspiracy". And I don't personally believe that..."

There it is.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-26   14:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: iconoclast, ghostdogtxn, All (#14)

There it is.

It's what he said, anyway.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-26   14:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#12)

He moves away from the 9-11 topic without dismissing more reasonable theories and at the same time not providing red meat to the folks who want to brand him as a kook.

I think it was a very verbally adroit answer, no matter what he believes (which he doesn't actually say).

That is exactly how I read his answer as well.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-03-26   14:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#12)

hmm. good point.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-26   15:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: wudidiz, ghostdogtxn, Richard9151, robin, *9-11* (#14)

Here is a very good post by HOUNDDAWG regarding this issue, #54 here freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...?ArtNum=76514&Disp=54#C54 ---------------------------------------------------------------

To: Artisan, Jethro Tull, christine, honway, nobody, castletrash (#33) (Edited)

Ron Paul: Idiot or Coward? Well, to those of us who were traumatized by the assassination of JFK that issue is as important as ever.

But, if I were to say, "Unless Ron Paul stands up and guarantees the truth about the assassination he fails my test and fails the whole of the American people!" you and others might think I was a bit of a self centered egomaniac.

The JFK conspiracy is actually more important because back then people didn't expect our govt to commit heinous crimes in broad daylight and get clean away with it. It was the soul shattering precedent that paved the way for that terrible September day. Juxtapose that with the fact that people actually played the market because of apparent foreknowledge of 9/11, and scientific "experts" are lining up to perjure themselves and wash to the elbows in innocent blood to cozy up to the goddam Bush criminal cartel. Do you think that this bloodlust and official corruption would have been possible if not for JFK's awful murder?

I'm very sorry that you folks who think 9/11 was the end of America use that to measure Ron Paul's courage and integrity. But, sadly, you're mistaken. 9/11 is a grim symptom of a long term systemic infection and getting Ron Paul into the White House was our only chance of making it right without collapsing the country or civil war.

But, sadly, too many crack brains think that 9/11 is the problem and they don't understand the "third rail danger" that it poses to any who dare accuse without the proof in hand. (Remember what happened to Joe McCarthy when he made charges that were probably true but he couldn't prove at the time) If Ron Paul "came clean about 9/11" he'd never be able to rent another hall in America.

He tried to run a positive campaign knowing all too well that there would be rivers of blood if he won and the conspirators are hunted down and punished. And, some assholes demand to know why he didn't switch over to the "Vote for me and I'll paint America crimson with the blood of criminals" platform?

And, from a tactical point of view if you and others expected Ron Paul to be completely candid even to the detriment of his campaign then A) you never expected him to win and B) you don't understand the American people. Do you think American voters want the truth? Why do you think that Ron Paul stayed away from the issue of social security and entitlements on talk shows and interviews?

The bottom line is Ron Paul had no obligation to flaky Pollyannas and dilettantes who don't know shit about how things really work. If he got elected he could have done great things, but he had zero chance of winning the nomination and pleasing folks who wanted him to settle personal scores because they have to stand alone on 9/11. I've been crossing swords with ignorance about the JFK assassination since 1963 and my advice is this. If you can't stand being ridiculed then stay out of the fray. But, no one has the right to say "Ron Paul is a bad person because he wouldn't shock my parents who refuse to believe me about 9/11."

Those who ask "Idiot or Coward?" are more than welcome to run for the presidency on "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about 9/11" and we'll see how far they get.

Hell, the insurance companies paid off knowing full well that buildings don't collapse into their own footprints. Now, why is that?

And, there have been virtually no changes in high rise construction since that terrible day despite the fact that according to the official story the laws of physics are now mere suggestions that may be disregarded if Zionists and warmongers stare you down and demand double indemnity.

No, it was not yet the time to call out the bastards who could "accidentally crash" a C5 Galaxy right into his hotel room window. If he was the president he could have taken steps to survive and see the investigation through. But, to alert the Satanic evil doers of his intentions prematurely would have almost certainly resulted in his death. Of course, those who so badly want to hear some official say "9/11 was an inside job" were willing to take the risk with Ron Paul's life as they pop their bubble gum while posting anonymously on the internet.

Ron Paul is not stupid. He's a physician, a former air force officer and a seasoned politician who stuck to his principles and stood alone or with a small caucus of like minded others, and he won the respect of millions because he was positive in his leadership. And, when he saw people talking about his imminent demise because of the danger his campaign posed to the federal reserve, he may have asked himself if he was obligated to be martyred for Americans who seemingly are willing to risk nothing and who still dare to criticize him from the safety of the sidelines. Americans don't deserve Ron Paul. As Ben Franklin said, we're getting the government we deserve.

To any assholes who called Ron Paul a coward, well, I'll be watching the news to see where they took their rifles and led other hairy chested patriots in attacks on the system. If they can't win the presidency then they should do the next best thing and martyr themselves just as they cheerfully demanded of Ron Paul.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2008-03-26 12:43:33 ET

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-26   15:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: wudidiz (#14)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-26   16:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#18)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-26   16:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ghostdogtxn, Artisan, robin, christine, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, all (#19)

"...our united states government actually did this as part of a conspiracy". And I don't personally believe that..."

This doesn't rule out a conspiracy by other actors or other governments, does it?

I guess not.

Fact is, the government was/is in on the conspiracy.

Of course.

Well, at least members of the gov't. Not the entire gov't.

I dunno, maybe he's using tricky wording. Maybe he does think the gov't is complicit. If he does, he's being less than honest. If he doesn't, he's stupid.

I don't think he's stupid.

Maybe he's afraid for his life. Either way, he doesn't seem to be of much use.

In my opinion.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-26   18:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: HOUNDDAWG, Richard9151, All (#21)

he doesn't seem to be of much use.

But hey, what do I know?


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-26   18:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: wudidiz (#21)

I can't fault the guy. You do realise what the MSM would have done had he come out and said bush did 911, don't you?

Ron Paul on al Qaeda Payroll!!!!

Or some such nonsense. And the retraction on page 11 of the gardening section two days after the primary in that papers state really wouldn't have helped much.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-03-26   18:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, all (#18)

Ron Paul certainly did a better job than I or most others did or could have.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-26   18:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dakmar (#23)

Yes, I guess it's just disappointing. Myself and many other people were hoping for someone that would represent us in the way we see things and that didn't happen.

Yet.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-26   18:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#21)

Well, at least members of the gov't. Not the entire gov't.

Here is the point; the government does not exist. It is not a living, breathing entity capable of being involved in 9/11.

No matter who was behind 9/11, the only ones capable of doing ANYTHING are people. Therefore, a statement that the government was not behind 9/11 is not only absolutely correct, it is the only statement that can be made as concerns the government.

Now, when you get to the point where you begin to name names of individuals, even names of those who are involved in some manner in the government, and question wheather they were involved or not, well, that is a horse of an entirely different color!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-03-26   19:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: wudidiz (#21)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-27   9:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#11)

I'm wondering if good ole Ron is truly one of the good guys, or if he's just pretending to be. He certainly collected a lot of money from people, along with a lot of email addresses and stuff...

Yeah, but he believes Jeebus turned water into wine, so he's hokay in my book.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-27   10:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: richard9151 (#26)

Here is the point; the government does not exist. It is not a living, breathing entity capable of being involved in 9/11.

Yes, okay, thank you.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-27   12:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

Well, he does say the investigation was ballocks. That's something.

It certainly is.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-27   12:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Richard9151, ghostdogtxn, All (#30)

I would prefer if he had said, "Of course members of the government were complicit, any idiot can see that."


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-27   12:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: wudidiz, Richard9151 (#29)

Here is the point; the government does not exist. It is not a living, breathing entity

you listen to the guy on WTPRN.COM, Eric WhoRU ?

he always says similar things,,

I would contend that govt does indeed exist, it just does not exist 'in nature'. it is an artificial creation.

Eric always covers the topic of political jurisdiction, ''if i were born in a boy scout camp, does that automatically make me a boy scout? what if i were a girl?'' and claims how , one is not subject to the requirements of citizenship if one has not voluntarily chose it, despite being born in the USA. he claims this lack of political jurisdiction arguement worked for him in tax court in L.A. in 1970, and more recently in Arkansas when he was charged with driving without a license. interesting character, his archives are on WTPRN.COM

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-27   15:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Artisan (#32)

despite being born in the USA.

What he is saying is from the 14th Amendment, where it mentions born in the United States AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION.

That is what he is talking about.

I would contend that govt does indeed exist, it just does not exist 'in nature'. it is an artificial creation.

So your contention is that something artificial is real in this context? How is that? Can the 'government' go into court and argue a case, or, do people do that 'in the name of the government'? Have you called your government today to discuss something? And, did the 'government' answer, or, did a 'person'?

Government is a facade behind which hides a criminal combination which feeds off of the people of the nation. This is true in all cases thorughout history. And when people begin to 'believe' that the government is real, and is not actually people (who must answer for their actions), is when the worst of the predation begins to occur.

To better understand this, I give you as an example the United States government of today.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-03-27   16:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: wudidiz (#31)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-27   16:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#33)

It's not a living breathing person but it is an artificial entity, that does not exist in nature, but does exist. And worse yet, the scum running it are almost always exempt from personal liability for their actions while working for the govt.

Suits as to which Congress has abrogated the states' Eleventh Amendment immunity The federal government and nearly every state have passed tort claims acts allowing them to be sued for the negligence, but not intentional wrongs, of government employees. The common-law tort doctrine of respondeat superior makes employers generally responsible for the torts of their employees. In the absence of this waiver of sovereign immunity, injured parties would generally have been left without an effective remedy. See Brandon v. Holt.

The guy i referred to on the radio uses the 13th ammendment and involuntary servitude arguement claiming that he cant be held to something he did not specificlaly agree to.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-27   16:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Artisan (#35)

cant be held to something he did not specificlaly agree to.

He is correct; it is called contract law, and it is the basis of all of the tribunals currently in operation within the United States. Tribunals = what are commenly called courts. In other words, that guy is not a United States citizen, and knows how to bring that fact into evidence in such tribunals.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-03-27   22:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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