4um: Obama on Iraq - He supports the Biden-Gelb Plan

Title: Obama on Iraq - He supports the Biden-Gelb Plan
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Published: Mar 26, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-03-26 13:57:24 by Jethro Tull
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Biden Campaign Welcomes Sen. Obama's Support for Biden-Gelb Plan for Iraq

The presidential campaign of Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., issued the following news release:

Wilmington, DE (August 16, 2007) -- The Biden Campaign today welcomed Sen. Barack Obama's support of the Biden-Gelb Plan for Iraq.

At a town hall meeting in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sen. Obama said, "The idea of a partition, of some sort, in Iraq, some sort of federal system that gave the Sunni, the Shia, the Kurds their own autonomy in their regions, is something that's been talked about....I had a long conversation with Les Gelb, who used to be the head of the Council on Foreign Relations, and who advised Biden on this plan. I think it may end up being the best solution [Obama Town Hall Meeting, Cedar Rapids, IA, 7/30/07.]

To view the video of Sen. Obama's statement of support for the Biden-Gelb Plan for Iraq go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ7dSVyP1p4

For well over one year, Sen. Biden has argued that the only way to maintain a unified Iraq is to decentralize it, thereby giving the Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis local control over their daily lives - as provided for in the Iraqi Constitution. Specifically, Section 112 of the Constitution states, "The federal system in the Republic of Iraq is made up of a decentralized capital, regions and governorates, and local administrations" The Constitution gives significant powers to the regions and limits the authority of the central government to truly common concerns like border security and the distribution of oil revenues.

"There is not a single person out there, including all of my democratic opponents, who want our troops to spend another day - another minute - in Iraq. And we're getting out one way or the other. But what do we do when we leave and how we leave makes a big difference. It is going to matter and I have a political plan that gives us a way to leave without leaving chaos behind" said Sen. Biden. "There is absolutely no chance - zero - that the Iraqi people will support a strong central government. It is time for the Democratic Party to unite and get behind the Biden-Gelb plan. And it is time for all of my colleagues to join with myself and Sens. Boxer, Brownback and Nelson in supporting our legislation which would make this plan the policy of our government."

"Sen. Clinton and others continue to cling to the idea that Iraq can come together behind a strong central government. This is just mistaken.", said Sen. Biden. "The Bush Administration has pushed this idea for years and we continue to see this does not work and will only lead to continuing civil war and increasing danger in unstable world. (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2354 ) We must answer the question of what happens after we leave Iraq, and in my view, the only real solution is a loosely federated regional system, as called for in the Iraqi constitution. We need to debate this issue of what comes next in Iraq - and we need to do that now."

Sen. Biden also today launched a new series of videos on his website www.headtohead08.com which show some of the latest videos on this topic, including Sens. Clinton, Obama and Governor Richardson.

Biden-Gelb Plan

OK, from what I've read, Obama is buying the Biden-Gelb Plan for Iraq. What it calls for is a partition of Iraq, with separate parts of the country to be carved out for the Sunni, Shia, the Kurds. It’s a political settlement, rather than a militarily one. In any event, it does mention that America’s interests in the region will be maintained (read oil) and a military presence will be maintained there (no mention of the number to remain or the length of their stay). It also doesn’t mention when the completion date of this plan will be or when our troops will begin to come home.

Anyone out there in 4umland read get anything different from this CFR hatched delight? (1 image)

Whether inspired by CFR or not, show me the candidate with a chance of winning w/o ties to CFR.

Only the northern Kurds want to completely withdraw from Iraq and form an independent nation, Kurdistan. They should be allowed to do this, since they were forced by the Allied occupation after the first World War, to become part of Iraq. Most of the present national boundaries around Iraq were arbitrarily created by the Allies without any consideration or understanding of the ethnic, tribal, religious or sectarian groups.

In 1923, Turkey was recognized as an independent nation according to the Treaty of Lausanne. This treaty divided the Kurdish region among Turkey, Iraq and Iran.

The Kurds have consistently sought independence. After the Persian Gulf War in 1991, the U.S. encouraged the Kurds to rise up against Saddam Hussein and establish independence. However when the Kurds did start a rebellion, the U.S. and U.N. did nothing to assist them, as they had promised.

This resulted in the Iraqi Army killing thousands of Kurds. The U.S. then blamed Hussein for the killings, even though the U.S. was primarily responsible for instigating the uprising. The U.S. abandoned the Kurds in their struggle for independence and then blamed Hussein for crushing the insurgency. The U.S. also condemned Hussein for using poison gas against the Kurds during the rebellion.

The U.S. failed to note that it was the U.S. and U.K. that had given Hussein the poison gas during the Iraq-Iran war. Apparently the U.S. approved of Hussein using the poison gas against the Iranians but disapproved of him using it against the Kurds. What´s the difference? (The U.S. still has huge stockpiles of poison gas and lethal chemicals that have not yet been destroyed. The U.S. has more WMD than any nation on Earth.)

The way to get our troops out of Iraq in an orderly way is to strike a deal with Iran. Of the three candidates left standing, Obama is the only one who calls for negotiating with Iran.

I have no idea if it's part of the Biden-Gelb plan. I only know that Obama supports it (and has come into a lot of criticism from neocons and Zionist types for saying so.)

The Biden-Gelb plan was originally an Israeli plan. I remember reading a reprint of an article published in Israel in 1982 by an Israeli journalist. His plan was for was aginst Iraq to be followed by a partition so that no strong Muslim state could oppose Israel.

The alternative to negotiating with Iran is WW III which I continue to believe will be launched this year around the time of the Summer Olympics. Below is the scenario for WW III I posted here soon after the USS Cole was stationed off the coast of Lebanon.

Phase I will be war agsinst Lebanon and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. This will deplete the Palestinians of their rockets and allow Israel to push back the resistance from their borders.

Phase II will be a propaganda period during the occupation which is designed to convince the Israeli and American opinion that Iran and Syria are responsible for the horrors of the occupation.

Phase III is the Israeli air attack against the Iranian nuclear facilities using American supplied bunker buster bombs. The Iranians have said they will respond by firing 11,000 missiles and artillery shells in the first 60 seconds. The Iranians have Russian made Sunburn and Yakhonts anti-ship missiles. They also have Chinese designed rocket artillery with a range up to 150 kilometers.

Phase 4 is the justification of World War III to the American public. We have 17,500 sailors and marines on aircraft carrier task forces in the Persian Gulf. Their ships are well within range of the Sunburn and Yakhonts, 120 and 180 miles. If they wanted to protect the lives of those sailors and marines, they would put them in the Indian Ocean out of harms way when Israel attacks Iran. They are in the Gulf precisely so they can be sacrificed for the greater good of Israel. The goal of WW III is to exterminate the Muslims so Israel and the Bilderbergers can have all of the Mideast oil.

Good Plan? The U.S. Central Command has American troops stationed in 27 nations of which 25 are Muslim. One rogue Muslim artillery officer can fire on an American base and in one minute render the base and its jets unusable. Our soldiers would be cut off from all supplies and air cover. They would be lucky if they were not killed or captured.

The final phase or aftermath of WW III is the destruction of the United States so what remanins can be folded into the North American Union. The Iranian response to the Israeli air strike will include the cut off of all oil from the Persian Gulf that should raise the price of oil to $300 or $400 a barrel. That would bankrupt more than 50% of all American families as they would have no means of buying gas to get to work. The destruction of the dollar will make food unaffordable to half of our population too."

I remember telling people in 1982 that David Rockefeller was planning World War III and that his plan requires America to lose.