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Title: Bob Barr thinking ‘very serious’ thoughts about a presidential race, Iraq, and torture ("EXTENSION OF RON PAUL CAMPAIGN")
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
URL Source: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/sh ... barr_very_serious_about_a.html
Published: Mar 27, 2008
Author: "Political Insider"
Post Date: 2008-03-27 16:04:26 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 242
Comments: 13

Bob Barr thinking ‘very serious’ thoughts about a presidential race, Iraq, and torture

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 06:47 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

On an Internet site called Anti-War Radio, former Georgia congressman Bob Barr confirmed on Wednesday that he’s “very seriously” looking at joining the race for the White House as a Libertarian — and had harsh words for both the Iraq war and for the Bush Administration’s defense of “enhanced interrogation techniques.”

Many thanks to blogger Jason Pye for passing on word of the interview.

On a presidential run, Barr said:

“There’s been a tremendous expressed to me both directly and indirectly on the Internet. I take that support very seriously, and I think it also reflects a great deal of dissatisfaction with the current candidates and the current two-party system. So it is something, to be honest with you, that I’m looking very seriously at.”

Barr said a Libertarian candidacy would essentially be an extension of the Ron Paul campaign.

“Ron Paul tapped into a great deal of that dissatisfaction and that awareness. Unfortunately, working through the Republican party structure, it became impossible for him to really move forward with his movement. But we have to have ….a rallying point out there to harness that energy, that freedom in this election cycle,” Barr said.

On Iraq:

“What we’ve fallen into in recent years — not just since 9/11, but particularly since 9/11 — is this notion that, in order to protect ourselves, we have to preemptively go into and — in the case of Iraq — occupy another sovereign nation,” Barr said. “Simply saying, ‘Gee, it’s better to fight over in this other nation and destroy another nation, so we’re not potentially attacked here, is the height of arrogance.”

As for the Bush administration’s refusal to define waterboarding as torture, Barr referred to the practice as “sophistry of the worst and rankest order.”

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#1. To: All (#0)

I've long agreed with the things Bob Barr is saying, and I have to say, I agree with all that he has to say here.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-27   16:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#0)

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-27   16:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

Interesting how the people here on this forum don't seem very interested in Bob Barr's potential campaign. Maybe war and civil liberties are not issues that they care about.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-27   16:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-27   16:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ghostdogtxn, aristeides (#4)

I wonder which of the two major parties, Barr running as a Libertarian would hurt the most.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-27   16:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#5)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-27   16:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

I think he'd pull from both parties. The question is, does he pull enough?

I agree that he would draw away from both. There are so many unhappy voters this year, he could upset everyone; maybe Diebold as well.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-27   16:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#7)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-27   16:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#5)

I wonder which of the two major parties, Barr running as a Libertarian would hurt the most.

It would depend in part on whom the Democrats nominate. If the Democrats nominate Obama, I can't see Barr taking away many Democratic votes. I think he would only attract Republicans and Independents. If, on the other hand, the Democrats nominate Hillary, I can see Barr taking Democratic votes as well.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-27   16:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#3)

Looks like you may have a point.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-27   22:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: aristeides (#3)

Interesting how the people here on this forum don't seem very interested in Bob Barr's potential campaign. Maybe war and civil liberties are not issues that they care about.

I'd throw in behind Barr. Yes, he has the right ideas regarding the war and civil liberties. If he runs as a Libertarian, I would assume that he believes that that my $ belongs to *me*. Barry Obama thinks my $ is his, to use to affect 'social change', here and elsewhere.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-03-28   8:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#10)

I guess so. Tells us a lot, doesn't it?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-28   13:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: aristeides (#1)

I've long agreed with the things Bob Barr is saying, and I have to say, I agree with all that he has to say here.

Yep.

Lod  posted on  2008-03-28   13:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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