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Title: March of the Obamacons
Source: http://www.takimag.com/
URL Source: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/morning_links1/
Published: Mar 31, 2008
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2008-03-31 15:04:14 by robin
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March of the Obamacons—The New York Sun notes that the “surge” is working ... that is, the surge of support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel. As the Sun notes: “Asked yesterday on CNN whether he would endorse his party’s presumptive nominee, Mr. Hagel said he would base his support on the candidates’ positions on withdrawing from Iraq.” While neocon hacks of the Rush Limbaugh variety are calling out the thinning ranks of the GOP troops to switch parties for a day and support Hillary, antiwar Republicans are switching and supporting Obama all without prompting from anyone, and the numbers are impressive in Pennsylvania, where the upcoming Democratic primary is going to be decisive. As the Sun reports:

“Of the 140,000 Pennsylvania Republicans and independents who switched registration in the last year to Democrat, the majority are Obama voters, the director of the Franklin and Marshall College poll, G. Terry Madonna, said. Registration for the state’s closed April 22 primary ended March 24. ‘If 2 million people vote in Pennsylvania, which would be a huge number, I think Obama gets 85,000 to 90,000 switchers,’ Mr. Madonna said. ‘That’s 3 or 4 or 5%, which is a big deal.’”

The Ron Paul Republicans are making a difference, albeit, at this point, a purely negative one. Here’s a nice touch from the Sun piece:

“Another Pennsylvania Republican who supports Mr. Obama is retired Major General Walter Stewart, a township supervisor in Burks County who says he has given money both to an anti-Bush Texas Republican, Rep. Ron Paul, and Mr. Hagel, who he said was his first choice for president this election season.

“General Stewart said he was supporting Mr. Obama because he could not endorse a candidate who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, which he compared to King George’s decision to send the British army and Hessian mercenaries into New York Harbor in the Revolutionary War. In 2004, General Stewart said, he supported Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, over Mr. Bush. ‘I think there is a general feeling in the military that this war in Iraq has been a catastrophe,’ he said.”

Gen. Stewart, meet Andy Bacevich ....

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#126. To: iconoclast (#121)

I'm not sure either, whether I'll vote for Obama in Nov. It's only 3/31; anything could happen. I know I won't vote for McCain or Hillary.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-31   19:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: robin (#126)

What will you do with a Clinton/Obama ticket?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   19:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: FOH (#124)

All of your spineless World Commie buddies abandoning ship there Traitorbot?

When facts and logic fail you, act like a nine year old and call the other guy names. I assume you came here from LP or FR?

.

...  posted on  2008-03-31   19:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Cynicom (#127)

Hope that Bob Barr runs? I don't know, it may not happen.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-31   19:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Cynicom (#127)

HEHEHEHEH


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   19:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: ... (#128)

Names??? check back aways on sodie Pop.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   19:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: robin (#129)

I would be glad to vote Barr, other than that so far, Paul write in.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   19:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: iconoclast (#121)

I live in Maryland. The Democrat is certain to win Maryland.

That means I can afford the luxury of voting third-party, if that's what I decide to do in the end.

I haven't made up my mind. I am certainly favorable to Obama. I prefer Bob Barr's stands on the issues, but he has no chance of winning, and he might not even run.

But my reason for mentioning Bob Barr on this thread is to point out how uninterested many of the people posting here are about issues like war and civil liberties. They claim to be skeptical about Obama's sincerity on these issues. But they don't even bother to post on a thread about Barr, whose sincerity on these matters is beyond doubt. And notice that they don't express approval of him now on this thread either.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   19:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: aristeides, iconoclast (#133)

That means I can afford the luxury of voting third-party,

That's how I was able to vote Constitution Party in '04; CA was strong for Kerry.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-31   19:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: aristeides (#133)

Bob Barr of the American Communist Lawyers' Union?

THAT Bob Barr?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   19:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: aristeides (#133)

Aw, sheet.

I should have known.

You're a card carrying Communist ACLU Member, too...LOLOL


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   19:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: robin (#92)

we won't survive a McCain Regime.

We already have. McCain, Bush, Obama, Hillary ect... all get their marching orders from the same people. Picking one puppet over another is the game they want you to play. Vote for yourself before voting for these goons so you can at least feel better about not being part of the problem. I am voting for Mel Gibson. He has proven he is not owned by them.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-31   19:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: aristeides (#133) (Edited)

But my reason for mentioning Bob Barr on this thread is to point out how uninterested many of the people posting here are about issues like war and civil liberties.

that's not the reason, ari. we're not interested at this point because it's mere speculation and talk. since Ron Paul, our best hope, declined a third party run stating that in the current system, it's futile, i'm certainly not going to get excited about a bob barr.

christine  posted on  2008-03-31   19:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: robin (#126)

I'm not sure either, whether I'll vote for Obama in Nov. It's only 3/31;

Et tu robin ... what the hell's goin on ... full moon tonight?

anything could happen.

Yeah, but my death is probably a lot more probable than any pipe dream you may be holding onto.

I know I won't vote for McCain or Hillary.

Now there's a courageous statement.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   20:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: RickyJ (#137)

We already have. McCain, Bush, Obama, Hillary ect... all get their marching orders from the same people. Picking one puppet over another is the game they want you to play.

really. that's the disconnect i have. why is it that people can't see it's a rigged game? until and unless all of us refuse to partake by accepting and ENDORSING their selections, nothing will change.

christine  posted on  2008-03-31   20:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: iconoclast, FOH, robin, christine, Jethro Tull (#139)

I believe in miracles

Your hopes and dreams with Obama in 2009...

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   20:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: iconoclast (#139)

It's not like he's my first choice.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-31   20:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: aristeides (#133)

That means I can afford the luxury of voting third-party

I wonder how many used that logic in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote, thus bringing about the subsequent imbroglio, and the fueling of the fires of those that wish to change our nation from a republic to a democracy?

I prefer Bob Barr's stands on the issues

I like Bob Barr, always have ... but with respect to the race, Jesse Owens he ain't.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   20:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: robin (#134)

see 143

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   20:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: buckeye (#141)

Perfect.

Some are under strong delusion, maybe waking up.

Others are doing this with their eyes wide open...either way, watch your step.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: christine (#138)

since Ron Paul, our best hope, declined a third party run stating that in the current system, it's futile, i'm certainly not going to get excited about a bob barr.

Why not?

It's a teensy bit more effective than not voting at all.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   20:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: buckeye (#141)

buck...

Some will require a diagram with Obama if you can find one.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   20:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: iconoclast (#146)

It's a teensy bit more effective than not voting at all.

If you can prove to anyone on this forum that your vote is in fact tallied, I'll buy a new dingy and a Yugo to tow it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   20:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: christine (#140)

why is it that people can't see it's a rigged game?OO

Yawn.

Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   20:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: iconoclast (#149)

Yawn.

Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan.

"Yawn" ???

"Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan."

Seriously, I really need to avoid the sh*t you're smoking...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: robin (#142)

It's not like he's my first choice.

I feel your pain, George Washington is mine.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   20:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: FOH (#145)

...either way, watch your step.

This election is no longer as important as reforming our educational establishment and our news media. Those instruments are in full control now. The people are largely unaware that their country is out of representational control. Who is elected to a particular office is irrelevant because they all must answer to the real power in this country, and it is not the people.

Opening eyes is all we can do, and that requires eloquence.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   20:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: buckeye (#152)

Opening eyes is all we can do, and that requires eloquence.

You're the man, then.

"We" did that for 25 years and look where that got us...not me, not anymore.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: buckeye (#152)

buck...

We all know reform is no longer an option. The cancer in Washington has to be removed. Sometimes the only way to kill the cancer is to have the patient die.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   20:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Cynicom, FOH (#154)

Joe Strummer: Redemption Song

It's time to take the humanity back...
Wont you help to sing
These songs of freedom? -
cause all I ever have:
Redemption songs;
Redemption songs.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   20:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: buckeye (#155)

Todd @ StoptheNAU.org is not responsive, his NAU videos have been scrubbed from the web and his site is down.

I wonder...this wouldn't be the first time.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: FOH (#156)

He may have just ran out of money to keep the site going.

How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   21:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: buckeye (#157)

He may have just ran out of money to keep the site going.

Not possible.

That I'm sure of...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   21:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: FOH (#158)

Don't give up trying to find out what happened.

Wont you help to sing
Dese songs of freedom? -
cause all I ever had:
Redemption songs -
All I ever had:
Redemption songs:
These songs of freedom,
Songs of freedom.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   21:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: buckeye (#159)

Don't give up trying to find out what happened.

I'm working on altering my travel plans to go out and see.

NAU Summit in NOLA is only 3 weeks away...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   21:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: iconoclast (#149)

Yawn.

Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan.

The least tainted Marxist in the last 50-60 years? Perhaps.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   22:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Vitamin Z (#161)

The least tainted Marxist in the last 50-60 years? Perhaps.

What's your definition of a Marxist, anybody left of the Decider?

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   23:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: iconoclast (#162)

What's your definition of a Marxist

Your parents should be proud of you...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   23:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Jethro Tull (#45)

Obamaville - 22,000 at Penn State

now I'm a believer! Not a trace of doubt in my mind

Take the last train to Obamaville, and I'll meet you at Penn Station.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-04-02   21:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: iconoclast, aristeides, leveller, all (#121)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-07   11:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: ghostdogtxn (#165)

I can't speak for anyone else, but Ron Paul is the only candidate that has inspired me at all.

Sure, me too. But he only inspired 5-10% of the rest of the electorate. Furthermore he's 70 something, this was his last hurrah.

if you keep on casting votes for inspiration things will never chnge.

That said, I was really amazed at the Ron Paul phenomenon, and it got me interested and optimistic about our country for the first time in a long time.

What about the youthful and small donor response to Obama?

Reject the the same ole, same ole. Vote for change, not out of disappointment.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-07   19:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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