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Title: March of the Obamacons
Source: http://www.takimag.com/
URL Source: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/morning_links1/
Published: Mar 31, 2008
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2008-03-31 15:04:14 by robin
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March of the Obamacons—The New York Sun notes that the “surge” is working ... that is, the surge of support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel. As the Sun notes: “Asked yesterday on CNN whether he would endorse his party’s presumptive nominee, Mr. Hagel said he would base his support on the candidates’ positions on withdrawing from Iraq.” While neocon hacks of the Rush Limbaugh variety are calling out the thinning ranks of the GOP troops to switch parties for a day and support Hillary, antiwar Republicans are switching and supporting Obama all without prompting from anyone, and the numbers are impressive in Pennsylvania, where the upcoming Democratic primary is going to be decisive. As the Sun reports:

“Of the 140,000 Pennsylvania Republicans and independents who switched registration in the last year to Democrat, the majority are Obama voters, the director of the Franklin and Marshall College poll, G. Terry Madonna, said. Registration for the state’s closed April 22 primary ended March 24. ‘If 2 million people vote in Pennsylvania, which would be a huge number, I think Obama gets 85,000 to 90,000 switchers,’ Mr. Madonna said. ‘That’s 3 or 4 or 5%, which is a big deal.’”

The Ron Paul Republicans are making a difference, albeit, at this point, a purely negative one. Here’s a nice touch from the Sun piece:

“Another Pennsylvania Republican who supports Mr. Obama is retired Major General Walter Stewart, a township supervisor in Burks County who says he has given money both to an anti-Bush Texas Republican, Rep. Ron Paul, and Mr. Hagel, who he said was his first choice for president this election season.

“General Stewart said he was supporting Mr. Obama because he could not endorse a candidate who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, which he compared to King George’s decision to send the British army and Hessian mercenaries into New York Harbor in the Revolutionary War. In 2004, General Stewart said, he supported Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, over Mr. Bush. ‘I think there is a general feeling in the military that this war in Iraq has been a catastrophe,’ he said.”

Gen. Stewart, meet Andy Bacevich ....

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#43. To: Cynicom (#42)

Did you receive instructions from Party Central?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: FOH (#41)

ghost and the others will squirm like mad when they have to vote for a Clinton/Obummer ticket, and I am going to love that day when they compromise their own white guilt.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Cynicom, MUDDOG (#42)

Obamaville - 22,000 at Penn State

now I'm a believer! Not a trace of doubt in my mind

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)

I'm glad McCain had the good sense not to be a hero.

America would be a better place if McNorthAmericanUnion had died on impact instead of ejecting...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, robin (#33)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#44)

I wonder when they first started hating themselves and America...they're deep cover World Commies and there's no two ways about it.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)

Fortunately, he was able to run away to safety while the rest of the Forrestal's crew battled the fire and lost their lives being recklessly heroic.

Fortunately, he the Admiral's son was able to run away to safety while the rest of the Forrestal's crew battled the fire and lost their lives being recklessly heroic. I'm glad McCain had the good sense not to be a hero.

Similar to his being a rare POW who gained weight and had prostitutes at his disposal while being "imprisoned". Being an admiral's had unique advantages.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   17:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom (#44)

You don't think the USA deserves to suffer through an Obama presidency after the way we've fucked over the rest of the world for 8 years? (bluedog)

Like I said...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#44)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#44)

when they compromise their own white guilt.

Give it a rest. That constant harping on "white guilt" is getting really OLD.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: aristeides (#43)

Did you receive instructions from Party Central?

You're the one doing the World Communists' bidding on "Freedom"4um.com...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: aristeides (#43)

Did you receive instructions from Party Central?

Ari...

I really do find it difficult to accept that Ari is nothing more than a partisan voting sheep, not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country as you accept anything fobbed off on you by the system. God help us as you are shirking your duty. Its your choice, send your money to Obama, vote for Obama. Feel free to do so.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: aristeides (#52)

Give it a rest. That constant harping on "white guilt" is getting really OLD.

Yeah, you De constructionists hate having your own poop flung back at you...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#40)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: aristeides (#52)

Give it a rest. That constant harping on "white guilt" is getting really OLD.

Ari...

Well then if it is not white guilt, perhaps you are black. And if you are supporting Obama because he is black, that is NOT racism, so your conscience is clear there. IF you are not black, it is white guilt and it bugs you no end that people see thru you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: FOH (#41)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: ghostdogtxn (#58)

LOL. Take your camaro down off the blocks and come get me, you internet tough guy, you.

Which side will you be on, America's or Amerika's?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom (#54)

not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country

I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law. But obviously those aren't the things that in your mind constitute being an American or caring for the country. For you, I guess your country means things like mouthing off about "white guilt."

You know, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. I posted a thread a few days ago about Bob Barr considering a run as a Libertarian, and I would certainly give serious consideration to voting for him, as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does, and to be even more clearly anti-war. And, since I live in Maryland, the Democratic candidate is sure to win in my state, and so I have the luxury of being able to vote third- party with a clear conscience. (Very few people responded to that thread. I believe you are not one of those who did.)

But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#57)

IF you are not black, it is white guilt

Nope.

Apparently race means everything to you, but you really must stop assuming that everybody else thinks the same way.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: aristeides (#60)

as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does

ROFLOLOL! THIS IS TOO...FUNNY.

And pathetic.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FOH (#59)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: ghostdogtxn (#47)

Ah, pardon me....I don't deserve any of that. When you were wandering about some nameless university, I was working, district by district to elect Ross Perot. Maybe it's me, but I never bought into the nutty smear. He was anti NAFTA/GATT/globalization. Had people listened to us, this economic mess you say I deserve would have been avoided. After he went down I turned my energy to his United We Stand movement - you might have been getting your head shrunk in some online law school by that time. After that fizzle, I worked for Buchanan, giving countless hours and dollars to his political failures. Finally, after 8 years of looking at apple-shaped Americans with glazed over eyes, I dropped out of the voting scam (see Votescam).

So no, I didn't support RP save for $100 worth of beer money that Rowdee has promised to get back for me one day soon and no, I don't deserve any of this mess.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: aristeides (#60)

But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.

George W. Bush campaigned on a "humble" foreign policy, too. Did you support him in 2000?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: aristeides (#60)

I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law.

LOLOLAY!!

You're possibly THE most intellectually dishonest poster that I've encountered in this forum then...!


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: aristeides (#61)

I recall Ikes son supporting John Kohn for president, you do recall that dont you?

Why doesnt Susan use her real name? Why doesnt she write books about her OTHER Grandmother.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: ghostdogtxn (#63)

That's what I thought, you'll be shooting Ron Paul patriots...thanks for playing.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Vitamin Z (#65)

Did you support him in 2000?

No, I didn't. I was half-fooled by him, but, after he supported Clinton's Kosovo war, I couldn't vote for the man. I voted for Buchanan that year.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: robin (#0)

While Raimondo remains a gifted writer, he has gone downhill substantively in recent years.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   17:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: aristeides (#60)

I'm a lawyer

Careful ari, your elitism is showing again.

If we are supposed to be impressed, I apologize for myself not showing proper respect.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Cynicom (#71)

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

I guess, unfortunately, it's also no surprise that some people do not share that concern.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Vitamin Z (#70)

Hey Z, haven't said 'hello' in awhile.

"Hello Z!"


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: aristeides (#72)

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

The vast majority of AT-TORN'EYs that I've dealt with care about BENDING, CHANGING, PERVERTING and DISREGARDING the rule of law and have been key players in the fall of America...and you certainly seem like the 'vast majority'.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: aristeides (#72)

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

Then why are so many lawyers in jail or disbarred every year.

The last I knew there were about 150 law schools in this country, way more than medical schools. Law has been a business for many years and needs overhauling, akin to the medical profession.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#75)

So, because you despise lawyers, therefore I have to have my opinion because of white guilt?

Is that your brand of logic?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: FOH (#73)

"Hello Z!"

Word up, FOH!

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   17:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Jethro Tull (#64)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: aristeides (#72)

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

The rule of law is whatever the lawyer in the black robe says it is, so why in the world should we take it seriously?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FOH (#68)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: aristeides (#72)

Doctors and lawyers are both a lot alike.

While shaking your hand, both check you wallet, if it is light, they cannot help you. You need to see someone else.

If you have a heavy wallet, both give you BS reasons on what they can do for you, without a clue of what your problem is.

I met an honest lawyer once, you could tell because he turned no one away and always kept his word.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Jethro Tull (#79)

why in the world should we take it seriously?

Plenty of inmates in Guantanamo and in secret prisons already have reason to take very seriously the Bush administration's attack on habeas corpus.

I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: aristeides (#82)

In my years of wrangling in the "justice" system, I found the only way was to find the best Judge that money could buy.

Didnt you find that true????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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