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Title: March of the Obamacons
Source: http://www.takimag.com/
URL Source: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/morning_links1/
Published: Mar 31, 2008
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2008-03-31 15:04:14 by robin
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March of the Obamacons—The New York Sun notes that the “surge” is working ... that is, the surge of support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel. As the Sun notes: “Asked yesterday on CNN whether he would endorse his party’s presumptive nominee, Mr. Hagel said he would base his support on the candidates’ positions on withdrawing from Iraq.” While neocon hacks of the Rush Limbaugh variety are calling out the thinning ranks of the GOP troops to switch parties for a day and support Hillary, antiwar Republicans are switching and supporting Obama all without prompting from anyone, and the numbers are impressive in Pennsylvania, where the upcoming Democratic primary is going to be decisive. As the Sun reports:

“Of the 140,000 Pennsylvania Republicans and independents who switched registration in the last year to Democrat, the majority are Obama voters, the director of the Franklin and Marshall College poll, G. Terry Madonna, said. Registration for the state’s closed April 22 primary ended March 24. ‘If 2 million people vote in Pennsylvania, which would be a huge number, I think Obama gets 85,000 to 90,000 switchers,’ Mr. Madonna said. ‘That’s 3 or 4 or 5%, which is a big deal.’”

The Ron Paul Republicans are making a difference, albeit, at this point, a purely negative one. Here’s a nice touch from the Sun piece:

“Another Pennsylvania Republican who supports Mr. Obama is retired Major General Walter Stewart, a township supervisor in Burks County who says he has given money both to an anti-Bush Texas Republican, Rep. Ron Paul, and Mr. Hagel, who he said was his first choice for president this election season.

“General Stewart said he was supporting Mr. Obama because he could not endorse a candidate who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, which he compared to King George’s decision to send the British army and Hessian mercenaries into New York Harbor in the Revolutionary War. In 2004, General Stewart said, he supported Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, over Mr. Bush. ‘I think there is a general feeling in the military that this war in Iraq has been a catastrophe,’ he said.”

Gen. Stewart, meet Andy Bacevich ....

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#1. To: Brian S, aristeides, iconoclast, Elliott Jackalope, Arator, christine, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, vast rightwing conspiracy, Red Jones (#0)

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robin  posted on  2008-03-31   15:08:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin (#1)

After having just gone through 7+ years of economic collapse, the worst military debacle in our history, guns and butter legislating, skyrocketing prices, explosion of pork barrel spending (including earmarks), lack of vetoes, the multiple lies, etc. etc. ad nauseam .... the polls that are currently showing another neck and neck finish simply boggle my mind???

I can only attribute it to party-addicted habit voters that seem to regard touching a lever without an R on it as tantamount to something resembling vampires being confronted by a cross in a B-movie horror flick.

Four years of Obama isn't going to change D.C. into Moscow or Capetown anymore than four years of Ron could've changed it into 18th century Philadelphia.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-31   16:12:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: iconoclast (#17)

Four years of Obama isn't going to change D.C. into Moscow or Capetown anymore than four years of Ron could've changed it into 18th century Philadelphia.

Four -- or even fewer -- years of McCain, on the other hand, could turn D.C. into a nuclear wasteland.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   16:13:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: aristeides (#19)

Four -- or even fewer -- years of McCain, on the other hand, could turn D.C. into a nuclear wasteland.

Far left "Americans" said the same about Goldwater, and we got one hell of a war that turned Veitnam into a wasteland. Bet you voted "all the way with LBJ".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   16:20:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#21)

Far left "Americans" said the same about Goldwater, and we got one hell of a war that turned Veitnam into a wasteland. Bet you voted "all the way with LBJ".

So now you're defending McCain? I can't say I'm surprised.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   16:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: aristeides (#32)

So now you're defending McCain? I can't say I'm surprised.

Ari...

You are an admitted Obummer worshipper and voted for LBJ, that goes well together.

Again you shallow political acumen is showing, you might hitch it up a notch or two with some interesting commentary above third grade level.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   16:57:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#38)

I thought you despised McCain. I guess that was all an act.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   16:58:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: aristeides (#39)

I thought you despised McCain. I guess that was all an act.

Ratchet it UP Ari, not down.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   16:59:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Cynicom (#42)

Did you receive instructions from Party Central?

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:00:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: aristeides (#43)

Did you receive instructions from Party Central?

Ari...

I really do find it difficult to accept that Ari is nothing more than a partisan voting sheep, not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country as you accept anything fobbed off on you by the system. God help us as you are shirking your duty. Its your choice, send your money to Obama, vote for Obama. Feel free to do so.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:06:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom (#54)

not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country

I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law. But obviously those aren't the things that in your mind constitute being an American or caring for the country. For you, I guess your country means things like mouthing off about "white guilt."

You know, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. I posted a thread a few days ago about Bob Barr considering a run as a Libertarian, and I would certainly give serious consideration to voting for him, as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does, and to be even more clearly anti-war. And, since I live in Maryland, the Democratic candidate is sure to win in my state, and so I have the luxury of being able to vote third- party with a clear conscience. (Very few people responded to that thread. I believe you are not one of those who did.)

But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:14:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: aristeides (#60)

I'm a lawyer

Careful ari, your elitism is showing again.

If we are supposed to be impressed, I apologize for myself not showing proper respect.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:20:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Cynicom (#71)

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

I guess, unfortunately, it's also no surprise that some people do not share that concern.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:22:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: aristeides (#72)

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

The rule of law is whatever the lawyer in the black robe says it is, so why in the world should we take it seriously?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:28:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Jethro Tull (#79)

why in the world should we take it seriously?

Plenty of inmates in Guantanamo and in secret prisons already have reason to take very seriously the Bush administration's attack on habeas corpus.

I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:31:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: aristeides (#82)

I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.

And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear? Just because he says so? You're too old for such naivitee.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:36:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear?

Oh, so now it's nasty?

I guess that means you now admit we should take it seriously.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:38:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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