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Published: Mar 31, 2008
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2008-03-31 15:04:14 by robin
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March of the Obamacons—The New York Sun notes that the “surge” is working ... that is, the surge of support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel. As the Sun notes: “Asked yesterday on CNN whether he would endorse his party’s presumptive nominee, Mr. Hagel said he would base his support on the candidates’ positions on withdrawing from Iraq.” While neocon hacks of the Rush Limbaugh variety are calling out the thinning ranks of the GOP troops to switch parties for a day and support Hillary, antiwar Republicans are switching and supporting Obama all without prompting from anyone, and the numbers are impressive in Pennsylvania, where the upcoming Democratic primary is going to be decisive. As the Sun reports:
“Of the 140,000 Pennsylvania Republicans and independents who switched registration in the last year to Democrat, the majority are Obama voters, the director of the Franklin and Marshall College poll, G. Terry Madonna, said. Registration for the state’s closed April 22 primary ended March 24. ‘If 2 million people vote in Pennsylvania, which would be a huge number, I think Obama gets 85,000 to 90,000 switchers,’ Mr. Madonna said. ‘That’s 3 or 4 or 5%, which is a big deal.’”
The Ron Paul Republicans are making a difference, albeit, at this point, a purely negative one. Here’s a nice touch from the Sun piece:
“Another Pennsylvania Republican who supports Mr. Obama is retired Major General Walter Stewart, a township supervisor in Burks County who says he has given money both to an anti-Bush Texas Republican, Rep. Ron Paul, and Mr. Hagel, who he said was his first choice for president this election season.
“General Stewart said he was supporting Mr. Obama because he could not endorse a candidate who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, which he compared to King George’s decision to send the British army and Hessian mercenaries into New York Harbor in the Revolutionary War. In 2004, General Stewart said, he supported Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, over Mr. Bush. ‘I think there is a general feeling in the military that this war in Iraq has been a catastrophe,’ he said.”
Gen. Stewart, meet Andy Bacevich ....
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'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Oh great, another FLAKE gets some press. Nice to see Ron Paul's name in this mess. Never mind that sKerry and Whorege both jacked off in the same One World Monopolist S&B coffin...you Obamaphiles are all idiots, liars, frauds, cons and in general serious losers that prop up the illegal shadow government by playing their game. I guess when you have NOTHING better to do with yourself...probably collecting some form of welfare/medicare/etc. whilst sitting on otherwise fat and dead asses. FOH
Save your diatribe for General Stewart and these other Conservatives: support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I don't believe more than 3% of Americans are Constitutionists/Conservatives anymore and if you ever were yourself you threw it all away for a CFR-controlled, Marxist Black Panther gun-grabbing baby-murdering thief...you found one of their 3 palatable and you sold yourself out. What does that make you, robin?
Someone who will NOT be voting to allow or support Hillary or McCain. How about you?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
LOLOL! That's why the GOP/RAT Party is dead to us 3%ers...
Good grief you're stupid...3 faces, 1 game. You fell for it. Or did you even have to fall...?
interesting...did these anti-war repubs vote for the war and give support for the surge?
BTW, why are YOU posting 'secret world rulers' when you're supporting one of their puppets? Idiot...
Here's Hagel:
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
There is a list at the first link, and if you search on their names you can read about them from that link. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...ial_campaign_endorsements en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee Chafee was the only Republican in the Senate to have voted against authorization of the use of force in Iraq. On June 22, 2006, Chafee was the only Republican to vote for the Levin amendment calling for a non-binding timetable for a withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. He voted against the Kerry-Feingold amendment calling for a binding timetable.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Chafee voted against the authorization for use of military force in Iraq back in 2002, and has opposed the war ever since. Hagel voted for the AUMF, with misgivings, but has been very critical of the war for years.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Kmiec Douglas Kmiec, legal counsel to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and co-chairman of Romney's Committee for the Courts and the Constitution Douglas Kmiec, Conservative Professor, Defends Obama Endorsement
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Why I'm Backing Obama Forty-seven years ago, my grandfather Dwight D. Eisenhower bid farewell to a nation he had served for more than five decades. In his televised address, Ike famously coined the term "military-industrial complex," and he offered advice that is still relevant today. "As we peer into society's future," he said, we "must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow." ... The biggest barrier to rolling up our sleeves and preparing for a better future is our own apathy, fear or immobility. We have been living in a zero-sum political environment where all heads have been lowered to avert being lopped off by angry, noisy extremists. I am convinced that Barack Obama is the one presidential candidate today who can encourage ordinary Americans to stand straight again; he is a man who can salve our national wounds and both inspire and pursue genuine bipartisan cooperation. Just as important, Obama can assure the world and Americans that this great nation's impulses are still free, open, fair and broad-minded.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
i can see now why he couldn't possibly support mcCain, but i'll be very surprised if he and the others jump ship to actually vote for obama assuming he gets the dem nomination. i would think this would hurt them with their constituents.
Most folks who have seen war, Hagel and I are both Vietnam Vets, are not too keen on rushing into other wars, especially unnecessary ones. Most warmongers, on the other hand, are armchair warriors like Cheney or Bush, or an occasional crazy, darling of the MSM type, who once piloted jet fighters, six of which never landed, and who dropped some live bombs on the deck of the USS Forestall that killed over 160 of his fellow sailors. If Genghis W. Bush don't nuke Iran, McCain will. The Zionists who run Washington and Tel Aviv will not end the genocidal war against Israel's enemies in the Muslim neighborhood, even if it means every goy in America must die. Zionism is America's form of national suicide, is her idolatry, is her inasnity. Jewish supremacy is its cult.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
After having just gone through 7+ years of economic collapse, the worst military debacle in our history, guns and butter legislating, skyrocketing prices, explosion of pork barrel spending (including earmarks), lack of vetoes, the multiple lies, etc. etc. ad nauseam .... the polls that are currently showing another neck and neck finish simply boggle my mind??? I can only attribute it to party-addicted habit voters that seem to regard touching a lever without an R on it as tantamount to something resembling vampires being confronted by a cross in a B-movie horror flick. Four years of Obama isn't going to change D.C. into Moscow or Capetown anymore than four years of Ron could've changed it into 18th century Philadelphia.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Hagel's seat in the Senate is up for reelection, Hagel has announced he is not running, and so he will be leaving the Senate in January.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Four -- or even fewer -- years of McCain, on the other hand, could turn D.C. into a nuclear wasteland.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Excellent post robin. The Bush-Cheney administration is the personification of the "military-industrial complex" writ large.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Far left "Americans" said the same about Goldwater, and we got one hell of a war that turned Veitnam into a wasteland. Bet you voted "all the way with LBJ".
Almost 3/4 of the American people abhor this war. Explains why several Republican stalwarts, Hastert for instance, have already announced that they will not run for re-election.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Ok Susie... Is it true Obummers money is coming from loaded white guilt Americans????
Uh oh, the Eisenhower/Jew connection! Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007 I'm sure glad your boy Barry Obama believes I should still be allowed to HUNT... Robin, you went from the anti-Establishment, Conservative-Constitutionalist Ron Paul to the Establishment's CFR-puppet-Marxist, Globalist, RATED #1 MOST LIBERAL Senator Barry Obama...and you believe you should be taken seriously...? LOLOL! Uh oh, the Eisenhower/Jew connection! Notice she very nicely omitted Nixon as a near family member?????????????? The money comes from sources other than Harlem.
CFR's Hagel Stepping Down From Senate Here's the basic rule of thumb...if they're members, you don't believe a word they say and if they claim the sky is blue, go outside and make sure. When you understand that these Obamaphiles have seen the same evidence we have, and you believe them to be somewhat intellectually capable...then their intellectual dishonesty must lead one to ask themselves if they weren't lying frauds all along. Get my drift?
You'll find a Communist World Citizen or Master behind each FRN sent to the campaign...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I wonder why Susie did not use her real name?????? Both her grandfathers were Jews, and she is married to a former aide to dictator Gorbachev named Sagdeev. Damned good family ties. No wonder she uses the sanitized Eisehhower name.
So now you're defending McCain? I can't say I'm surprised.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
robin, you're a sweetheart of the 1st order, but if Obama is elected he'd make for the most left leaning president in this nations history. I couldn't ever be part of that legacy. Subtract out his political rhetoric about the war (he'll do the CFRs bidding) and I suspect nobody on this forum would touch him w/ a 10' pole. The (s)election cycle is exhibit "A" in my case for not participating in the fraud that is voting. This country would be better if he and the other two empty suits were renditioned off to gitmo never to be heard from again.
I trust few that rise that far at any time and with good reason, as our military's leadership are in bed with the Establishment and are currently working for the North American Union...in this guy's case, F-L-A-K-E-Y-F-L-A-K-E.
You lying traitors are the butt of many-a-joke...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Ari... You are an admitted Obummer worshipper and voted for LBJ, that goes well together. Again you shallow political acumen is showing, you might hitch it up a notch or two with some interesting commentary above third grade level.
I thought you despised McCain. I guess that was all an act.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
And the first boatload AWAY from the Forrestal contained "McKooK"
There are thousands of real patriots that have your number, bluedog...
Ratchet it UP Ari, not down.
Did you receive instructions from Party Central?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
ghost and the others will squirm like mad when they have to vote for a Clinton/Obummer ticket, and I am going to love that day when they compromise their own white guilt.
now I'm a believer! Not a trace of doubt in my mind
America would be a better place if McNorthAmericanUnion had died on impact instead of ejecting...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I wonder when they first started hating themselves and America...they're deep cover World Commies and there's no two ways about it.
Fortunately, Similar to his being a rare POW who gained weight and had prostitutes at his disposal while being "imprisoned". Being an admiral's had unique advantages.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Like I said...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Give it a rest. That constant harping on "white guilt" is getting really OLD.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You're the one doing the World Communists' bidding on "Freedom"4um.com...
Ari... I really do find it difficult to accept that Ari is nothing more than a partisan voting sheep, not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country as you accept anything fobbed off on you by the system. God help us as you are shirking your duty. Its your choice, send your money to Obama, vote for Obama. Feel free to do so.
Yeah, you De constructionists hate having your own poop flung back at you...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Ari... Well then if it is not white guilt, perhaps you are black. And if you are supporting Obama because he is black, that is NOT racism, so your conscience is clear there. IF you are not black, it is white guilt and it bugs you no end that people see thru you.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Which side will you be on, America's or Amerika's?
I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law. But obviously those aren't the things that in your mind constitute being an American or caring for the country. For you, I guess your country means things like mouthing off about "white guilt." You know, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. I posted a thread a few days ago about Bob Barr considering a run as a Libertarian, and I would certainly give serious consideration to voting for him, as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does, and to be even more clearly anti-war. And, since I live in Maryland, the Democratic candidate is sure to win in my state, and so I have the luxury of being able to vote third- party with a clear conscience. (Very few people responded to that thread. I believe you are not one of those who did.) But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Nope. Apparently race means everything to you, but you really must stop assuming that everybody else thinks the same way.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
ROFLOLOL! THIS IS TOO...FUNNY. And pathetic.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Ah, pardon me....I don't deserve any of that. When you were wandering about some nameless university, I was working, district by district to elect Ross Perot. Maybe it's me, but I never bought into the nutty smear. He was anti NAFTA/GATT/globalization. Had people listened to us, this economic mess you say I deserve would have been avoided. After he went down I turned my energy to his United We Stand movement - you might have been getting your head shrunk in some online law school by that time. After that fizzle, I worked for Buchanan, giving countless hours and dollars to his political failures. Finally, after 8 years of looking at apple-shaped Americans with glazed over eyes, I dropped out of the voting scam (see Votescam). So no, I didn't support RP save for $100 worth of beer money that Rowdee has promised to get back for me one day soon and no, I don't deserve any of this mess.
George W. Bush campaigned on a "humble" foreign policy, too. Did you support him in 2000?
LOLOLAY!! You're possibly THE most intellectually dishonest poster that I've encountered in this forum then...!
I recall Ikes son supporting John Kohn for president, you do recall that dont you? Why doesnt Susan use her real name? Why doesnt she write books about her OTHER Grandmother.
That's what I thought, you'll be shooting Ron Paul patriots...thanks for playing.
No, I didn't. I was half-fooled by him, but, after he supported Clinton's Kosovo war, I couldn't vote for the man. I voted for Buchanan that year.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
While Raimondo remains a gifted writer, he has gone downhill substantively in recent years.
Careful ari, your elitism is showing again. If we are supposed to be impressed, I apologize for myself not showing proper respect.
My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law. I guess, unfortunately, it's also no surprise that some people do not share that concern.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Hey Z, haven't said 'hello' in awhile. "Hello Z!"
The vast majority of AT-TORN'EYs that I've dealt with care about BENDING, CHANGING, PERVERTING and DISREGARDING the rule of law and have been key players in the fall of America...and you certainly seem like the 'vast majority'.
Then why are so many lawyers in jail or disbarred every year. The last I knew there were about 150 law schools in this country, way more than medical schools. Law has been a business for many years and needs overhauling, akin to the medical profession.
So, because you despise lawyers, therefore I have to have my opinion because of white guilt? Is that your brand of logic?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Word up, FOH!
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The rule of law is whatever the lawyer in the black robe says it is, so why in the world should we take it seriously?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Doctors and lawyers are both a lot alike. While shaking your hand, both check you wallet, if it is light, they cannot help you. You need to see someone else. If you have a heavy wallet, both give you BS reasons on what they can do for you, without a clue of what your problem is. I met an honest lawyer once, you could tell because he turned no one away and always kept his word.
Plenty of inmates in Guantanamo and in secret prisons already have reason to take very seriously the Bush administration's attack on habeas corpus. I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
In my years of wrangling in the "justice" system, I found the only way was to find the best Judge that money could buy. Didnt you find that true????
Even if lawyers are as dishonest as you claim, they can still decide how to vote for reasons having to do with the law. Your attacks on lawyers are beside the point here. My point was, I have perfectly good reasons having nothing to do with "white guilt" for favoring Obama. I notice you aren't attacking my other motive, having to do with being a veteran and consequently opposing unnecessary wars.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
BS on a stick. RP never, ever had a chance at being selected, and I suspect he knew that himself. I never forgive him for allowing Anderson Cooper to hush him up at his last public debate. Had he been a real revolutionary, he'd have flung one of his penny loafers at that CIA mole's head.
Ari... YOU brought it up that somehow being a lawyer gave you some respect for the law that the unwashed masses did not have. I read your posts Ari...
I clerked for a judge for two years, and never had a hint of a suspicion that my judge or any of the other judges on the court were being bribed.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear? Just because he says so? You're too old for such naivitee.
As I have now said to you repeatedly, my point was that, as a lawyer, I understandably care about the rule of law, and am therefore inclined to favor the candidate who calls for respecting the Constitution and restoring habeas corpus. Plenty of nonlawyers share that concern. Some other people apparently do not.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Hear Hear... A little revolution now and then is good for the unwashed masses, it is ONLY the self appointed elite that abhor revolutions.
Oh, so now it's nasty? I guess that means you now admit we should take it seriously.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Thank you for the kind words, and I understand your concerns. But do consider, Europe and Scandinavia have survived liberal govts. OTOH, we won't survive a McCain Regime. We could recover from a liberal govt, but not from McCain.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Understandably????? Do you think everyone else lacks this vital key to understanding the law??? Is there some magic formula that is advanced ONLY in law schools concerning the law??? ghost looks down his nose at white trash and now it seems you do also, that makes me feel bad. Law you may learned, but was there something else you are missing that Yale does not teach?
I'm with you, though I'm uncertain whether or not I'll vote for Obama. I know I'll not vote for Hillary or McCain.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
There aren't 3 choices. That's where you're either a liar or an ignoramus...the Founding Fathers and you have little in common.
We are not going to survive this current government, the cancer is metastasizing, not as a liberal conservative cancer, not as a pub or dem, just a cancer that is past surgery.
At least you know what you are...
I sure got you Obamaphiles' number...
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With all his talk of hope and change, I have a feeling that many people are going to be disappointed if Obama gets in...like more disappointed than people are with GW Bush right now.
you think mcCain can make that decision unilaterally? mcCain won't do anything, nor will clinton or obama, that he isn't instructed to do by his CFR masters. imo, if obama is the selection, then the PTB have in mind for him to do something (that clinton or mcCain couldn't) to advance their anti-america(n) plan.
Founding Father material here on 4um is sadly lacking. More of a "fifth column type". Of course after the Revolution, a lot of the nay sayers ran off to Canada to hide. They ran because they feared the Patriots would hang 'em.
Freaking Tories and their Kings/Queens...elitist trash that should have been snuffed out lo those years ago.
I totally agree! North American Soviet Union...here we come. Live Free or Die (or, run away)
They still kiss the Queen's a** to this day...
I stand corrected, I should have re-read the USS Forestall article before making my comment. Needless to say McCain is/was reckless, criminally reckless, whether it involved bombs or illegal flare up of his jet engine is of small matter. The end result is the same, 160 dead sailors. The SOB should have faced a general court-martial. Talk about fairness. Among McCain's first acts after the "Dinks" let him go and he came home to America was to divorce his wife, a woman who stood faithfully by his side during his five years as a POW.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
That's the tip of that smelly ice berg..."SONGBIRD" is a schmuck's-schmuck.
You think we wouldn't join you if it came to that? Just b/c we want the lesser of 3 evils? This is a delaying tactic, to hopefully (yes it's a gamble) gain time to alert more sheeple. There is no gamble with McCain or Hillary - they are proven quantities. Voting 3rd party is a nice statement, for what's worth, but it's not like that's all there is to be done. I spoke with a guy from the 9/11 LA group; he doesn't even care what's going on with the voting right now. He's focused just on getting info on 9/11 out and all the knowledge about New World Order that goes with it.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Whereas you guys don't even care enough about liberties, habeas corpus, aggressive war, and all the tyrannical acts of the Bush regime to have said anything on my Bob Barr thread.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You're a cop, and you don't take the rule of law seriously? What is wrong with this picture?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Nothing. Jethro faces reality and too many lawyers live in a make believe world of their own making, one that does not exist.
I don't think I'd want to join a revolution led by fascists. I'm willing to form alliances of necessity, so I might be willing to join one that has fascists (or Communists, for that matter) taking part, but I would have to think more than twice about it.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
He referred to the American Revolution, so that's what I was referring to also.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
So you too admit that you do not believe in the rule of law. But not only that, you're unwilling to believe that other people might believe in it. So much so that you ascribe to them motives that really are make believe and really are of your own making, like "white guilt."
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Democrat CFR Candidates: Barack Obama Hillary Clinton John Edwards Chris Dodd Bill Richardson Republican CFR Candidates: Mitt Romney Rudy Giuliani John McCain Fred Thompson Newt Gingrich
I notice Obama is not on your list, whereas Hillary and McCain are. Nevertheless, you proclaim your intention is to pull the lever for Hillary in the primary, with the intent of helping to defeat Obama. I guess you don't care who's in the CFR and who is not.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
If there is a slight difference that leans toward peace, I'll take it to avoid McCain and his end of the world scenario.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
McCain is a mad man waiting to get his fingers on the nuclear trigger. Therefore I can understand you and others "accepting" Clinton/Obama. People such as myself voting for lesser of evils are the reason we are where we are now. I voted Perot as did 20 million Americans, the partisans voted the usual, so in my book they are more to blame than myself. Had more of them been Americans, we would never have had Clintons and Bush and certainly not madman McKooK.
You may have Christine fooled all this time, but that's about it...
I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. - aristeides I'm uncertain whether or not I'll vote for Obama. - Zoroaster I may be mistaken, but my recollection is that each of you, at one time or another, has stated that Obama is the best candidate that has a chance to be on the ticket. What gives? What kind of vote is one that just enables you to say in future, if things go worse, "Well, don't blame me ... I voted for Paul, Buchanan, Perot, the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party." How silly. What kind of comfort is that? What kind of logic is that? What does it do but effectively opt you out of participation in the process? Worst of all your opting out can help assure the election of one which you fear or despise. Stop the world, I wanna get off.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
The best thing that can happen at this point is to keep awakening those willing to follow truth, suppress turnout for the CFR candidates and fight every North American Unioner we come across...IMO. However, it appears that one NAUer or the other will get a landslide and claim a mandate for their evil...
I understand your feelings/opinions on this vote. Hey, I remember someone berating me for not having voted for Anderson.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
All of your spineless World Commie buddies abandoning ship there Traitorbot?
If you 'fear' one of the CFR quislings, you should 'fear' all 3. But then you aren't intellectually honest, you're a traitor-shill. You're such a fraud, a complete joke and LOSER if you will...
I'm not sure either, whether I'll vote for Obama in Nov. It's only 3/31; anything could happen. I know I won't vote for McCain or Hillary.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
What will you do with a Clinton/Obama ticket?
When facts and logic fail you, act like a nine year old and call the other guy names. I assume you came here from LP or FR?
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Hope that Bob Barr runs? I don't know, it may not happen.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
HEHEHEHEH
Names??? check back aways on sodie Pop.
I would be glad to vote Barr, other than that so far, Paul write in.
I live in Maryland. The Democrat is certain to win Maryland. That means I can afford the luxury of voting third-party, if that's what I decide to do in the end. I haven't made up my mind. I am certainly favorable to Obama. I prefer Bob Barr's stands on the issues, but he has no chance of winning, and he might not even run. But my reason for mentioning Bob Barr on this thread is to point out how uninterested many of the people posting here are about issues like war and civil liberties. They claim to be skeptical about Obama's sincerity on these issues. But they don't even bother to post on a thread about Barr, whose sincerity on these matters is beyond doubt. And notice that they don't express approval of him now on this thread either.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
That's how I was able to vote Constitution Party in '04; CA was strong for Kerry.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Bob Barr of the American Communist Lawyers' Union? THAT Bob Barr?
Aw, sheet. I should have known. You're a card carrying Communist ACLU Member, too...LOLOL
We already have. McCain, Bush, Obama, Hillary ect... all get their marching orders from the same people. Picking one puppet over another is the game they want you to play. Vote for yourself before voting for these goons so you can at least feel better about not being part of the problem. I am voting for Mel Gibson. He has proven he is not owned by them.
God is always good!
that's not the reason, ari. we're not interested at this point because it's mere speculation and talk. since Ron Paul, our best hope, declined a third party run stating that in the current system, it's futile, i'm certainly not going to get excited about a bob barr.
I'm not sure either, whether I'll vote for Obama in Nov. It's only 3/31; Et tu robin ... what the hell's goin on ... full moon tonight? anything could happen. Yeah, but my death is probably a lot more probable than any pipe dream you may be holding onto. I know I won't vote for McCain or Hillary. Now there's a courageous statement.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
really. that's the disconnect i have. why is it that people can't see it's a rigged game? until and unless all of us refuse to partake by accepting and ENDORSING their selections, nothing will change.
It's not like he's my first choice.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
That means I can afford the luxury of voting third-party I wonder how many used that logic in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote, thus bringing about the subsequent imbroglio, and the fueling of the fires of those that wish to change our nation from a republic to a democracy? I prefer Bob Barr's stands on the issues I like Bob Barr, always have ... but with respect to the race, Jesse Owens he ain't.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
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I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Perfect. Some are under strong delusion, maybe waking up. Others are doing this with their eyes wide open...either way, watch your step.
Why not? It's a teensy bit more effective than not voting at all.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
buck... Some will require a diagram with Obama if you can find one.
If you can prove to anyone on this forum that your vote is in fact tallied, I'll buy a new dingy and a Yugo to tow it.
Yawn. Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan. "Yawn" ??? "Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan." Seriously, I really need to avoid the sh*t you're smoking...
I feel your pain, George Washington is mine.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
This election is no longer as important as reforming our educational establishment and our news media. Those instruments are in full control now. The people are largely unaware that their country is out of representational control. Who is elected to a particular office is irrelevant because they all must answer to the real power in this country, and it is not the people. Opening eyes is all we can do, and that requires eloquence.
You're the man, then. "We" did that for 25 years and look where that got us...not me, not anymore.
buck... We all know reform is no longer an option. The cancer in Washington has to be removed. Sometimes the only way to kill the cancer is to have the patient die.
Todd @ StoptheNAU.org is not responsive, his NAU videos have been scrubbed from the web and his site is down. I wonder...this wouldn't be the first time.
He may have just ran out of money to keep the site going.
Not possible. That I'm sure of...
Don't give up trying to find out what happened.
I'm working on altering my travel plans to go out and see. NAU Summit in NOLA is only 3 weeks away...
Obama's probably the candidate least tainted in the last 50-60 years other than Reagan. The least tainted Marxist in the last 50-60 years? Perhaps.
What's your definition of a Marxist, anybody left of the Decider?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Your parents should be proud of you...
now I'm a believer! Not a trace of doubt in my mind Take the last train to Obamaville, and I'll meet you at Penn Station.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I can't speak for anyone else, but Ron Paul is the only candidate that has inspired me at all. Sure, me too. But he only inspired 5-10% of the rest of the electorate. Furthermore he's 70 something, this was his last hurrah. if you keep on casting votes for inspiration things will never chnge. That said, I was really amazed at the Ron Paul phenomenon, and it got me interested and optimistic about our country for the first time in a long time. What about the youthful and small donor response to Obama? Reject the the same ole, same ole. Vote for change, not out of disappointment.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
I am going to remember that line.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" That right there is why I am a republican division leader and "supporting" a rep that run on an anti abortion issue yet was a B-52 pilot in the USAF. I didn't vote for him in the election, but he does not know that and I have access to, and a small amount of influence, to the power structure in the county. Nasty biz, and I can understand why folks would not want to vote for the counterfit candidates selected for us at the Fed level. I tell them to vomit on the ballots and mail em in. I really do.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Give em hell, Mel!!!! It was the "sugar tits" comment that won me over.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#2. To: robin (#0)
In 2004, General Stewart said, he supported Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, over Mr. Bush. ‘I think there is a general feeling in the military that this war in Iraq has been a catastrophe,’ he said.”
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#3. To: FOH (#2)
#4. To: robin (#3)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#5. To: FOH (#4)
#6. To: robin (#3)
Republican Lincoln Chafee
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#7. To: robin (#5)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#8. To: robin (#0)
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The New York Sun notes that the “surge” is working ... that is, the surge of support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel.
#9. To: robin (#5)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#10. To: christine (#8)
#11. To: christine (#8)
#12. To: christine (#8)
#13. To: christine, aristeides (#8)
#14. To: aristeides, christine (#12)
By Susan Eisenhower
#15. To: robin (#10)
Like the leading Republican candidate, John McCain, he was viewed as a straight talking maverick. Now, the two are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to the Iraq War and more and more of his fellow Republicans in the Senate are uncomfortable with Hagel's criticism of President Bush.
#16. To: aristeides (#12)
Hagel voted for the AUMF, with misgivings, but has been very critical of the war for years.
#17. To: robin (#1)
#18. To: christine (#15)
i would think this would hurt them with their constituents.
#19. To: iconoclast (#17)
Four years of Obama isn't going to change D.C. into Moscow or Capetown anymore than four years of Ron could've changed it into 18th century Philadelphia.
#20. To: robin (#14)
Ike famously coined the term "military-industrial complex"
#21. To: aristeides (#19)
Four -- or even fewer -- years of McCain, on the other hand, could turn D.C. into a nuclear wasteland.
#22. To: christine (#15)
i would think this would hurt them with their constituents.
#23. To: robin (#14)
I am convinced that Barack Obama is the one presidential candidate today who can encourage ordinary Americans to stand straight again; he is a man who can salve our national wounds and both inspire and pursue genuine bipartisan cooperation. Just as important, Obama can assure the world and Americans that this great nation's impulses are still free, open, fair and broad-minded.
#24. To: robin (#14)
Susan Eisenhower
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#25. To: FOH (#24)
Susan Eisenhower
#26. To: christine (#15)
i can see now why he couldn't possibly support mcCain, but i'll be very surprised if he and the others jump ship to actually vote for obama assuming he gets the dem nomination. i would think this would hurt them with their constituents.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#27. To: Cynicom, robin (#25)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#28. To: Cynicom (#23)
Is it true Obummers money is coming from loaded white guilt Americans????
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#29. To: FOH (#2)
#30. To: FOH, robin (#4)
#31. To: FOH, robin, iconoclast (#27)
(Edited)
#32. To: Cynicom (#21)
Far left "Americans" said the same about Goldwater, and we got one hell of a war that turned Veitnam into a wasteland. Bet you voted "all the way with LBJ".
#33. To: robin (#1)
#34. To: ghostdogtxn (#29)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#35. To: ghostdogtxn, robin (#30)
Pragmatic.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#36. To: Zoroaster (#16)
#37. To: FOH (#35)
#38. To: aristeides (#32)
So now you're defending McCain? I can't say I'm surprised.
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
#40. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)
#41. To: ghostdogtxn (#37)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#42. To: aristeides (#39)
I thought you despised McCain. I guess that was all an act.
#43. To: Cynicom (#42)
#44. To: FOH (#41)
#45. To: Cynicom, MUDDOG (#42)
Obamaville - 22,000 at Penn State
#46. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)
I'm glad McCain had the good sense not to be a hero.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#47. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, robin (#33)
#48. To: Cynicom (#44)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#49. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)
Fortunately, he was able to run away to safety while the rest of the Forrestal's crew battled the fire and lost their lives being recklessly heroic.
he the Admiral's son was able to run away to safety while the rest of the Forrestal's crew battled the fire and lost their lives being recklessly heroic. I'm glad McCain had the good sense not to be a hero.
#50. To: Cynicom (#44)
You don't think the USA deserves to suffer through an Obama presidency after the way we've fucked over the rest of the world for 8 years? (bluedog)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#51. To: Cynicom (#44)
#52. To: Cynicom (#44)
when they compromise their own white guilt.
#53. To: aristeides (#43)
Did you receive instructions from Party Central?
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#54. To: aristeides (#43)
Did you receive instructions from Party Central?
#55. To: aristeides (#52)
Give it a rest. That constant harping on "white guilt" is getting really OLD.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#56. To: Cynicom (#40)
#57. To: aristeides (#52)
Give it a rest. That constant harping on "white guilt" is getting really OLD.
#58. To: FOH (#41)
#59. To: ghostdogtxn (#58)
LOL. Take your camaro down off the blocks and come get me, you internet tough guy, you.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#60. To: Cynicom (#54)
not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country
#61. To: Cynicom (#57)
IF you are not black, it is white guilt
#62. To: aristeides (#60)
as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does
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#63. To: FOH (#59)
#64. To: ghostdogtxn (#47)
#65. To: aristeides (#60)
But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.
#66. To: aristeides (#60)
I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#67. To: aristeides (#61)
#68. To: ghostdogtxn (#63)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#69. To: Vitamin Z (#65)
Did you support him in 2000?
#70. To: robin (#0)
#71. To: aristeides (#60)
I'm a lawyer
#72. To: Cynicom (#71)
#73. To: Vitamin Z (#70)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#74. To: aristeides (#72)
My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.
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#75. To: aristeides (#72)
My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.
#76. To: Cynicom (#75)
#77. To: FOH (#73)
"Hello Z!"
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
#79. To: aristeides (#72)
My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.
#80. To: FOH (#68)
#81. To: aristeides (#72)
#82. To: Jethro Tull (#79)
why in the world should we take it seriously?
#83. To: aristeides (#82)
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
#85. To: ghostdogtxn (#78)
We don't get Ron Paul because we didn't earn him
#86. To: aristeides (#84)
#87. To: Cynicom (#83)
#88. To: aristeides (#82)
I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.
#89. To: Cynicom (#86)
YOU brought it up that somehow being a lawyer gave you some respect for the law that the unwashed masses did not have.
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#85)
Had he been a real revolutionary, he'd have flung one of his penny loafers at that CIA mole's head.
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear?
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
if Obama is elected he'd make for the most left leaning president in this nations history. I couldn't ever be part of that legacy.
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#85)
#94. To: aristeides (#89)
, as a lawyer, I understandably care about the rule of law,, as a lawyer, I understandably care about the rule of law,
#95. To: aristeides (#60)
But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war
#96. To: ghostdogtxn (#78)
You can be like FOH, a purist, and sit on a fence and condemn anyone who decides they should make a comparison of the 3 choices that remain, or you can swallow your bile and pick one of them or another.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#97. To: robin (#92)
We could recover from a liberal govt, but not from McCain.
#98. To: ghostdogtxn (#78)
But as for sitting on a high horse and calling everyone who isn't a purist a "sell out" or a "traitor" or a "quisling?"
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#99. To: ghostdogtxn (#80)
You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#100. To: All (#99)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
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#101. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
(Edited)
And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear? Just because he says so?
#102. To: aristeides (#19)
#103. To: FOH (#98)
(Edited)
#104. To: Cynicom (#103)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#105. To: christine (#102)
if obama is the selection, then the PTB have in mind for him to do something (that clinton or mcCain couldn't) to advance their anti-america(n) plan.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#106. To: Cynicom (#103)
They ran because they feared the Patriots would hang 'em.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#107. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)
and who dropped some live bombs on the deck of the USS Forestall that killed over 160 of his fellow sailors. That's not fair to McCain. He didn't "drop bombs" on the deck; he performed an illegal flare up of his engine and ignited the bombs on other airplanes. Fortunately, he was able to run away to safety while the rest of the Forrestal's crew battled the fire and lost their lives being recklessly heroic. I'm glad McCain had the good sense not to be a hero.
#108. To: Zoroaster (#107)
Among McCain's first acts after the "Dinks" let him go and he came home to America was to divorce his wife, a woman who stood faithfully by his side during his five years as a POW.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#109. To: Cynicom (#103)
#110. To: Cynicom (#103)
Of course after the Revolution, a lot of the nay sayers ran off to Canada to hide.
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#79)
so why in the world should we take it seriously?
#112. To: aristeides (#111)
What is wrong with this picture?
#113. To: robin (#109)
#114. To: aristeides (#113)
#115. To: Cynicom (#112)
#116. To: robin (#114)
Robin, peas in a pod????
#117. To: Cynicom (#116)
#118. To: Cynicom (#116)
#119. To: robin (#118)
, I'll take it to avoid McCain and his end of the world scenario.
#120. To: robin (#109)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#121. To: Zoroaster, aristeides, ghostdogtxn (#95)
I'm writing in Ron Paul. - ghostdogtxn
#122. To: Cynicom (#119)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#123. To: Cynicom (#119)
Had more of them been Americans, we would never have had Clintons and Bush and certainly not madman McKooK.
#124. To: iconoclast (#121)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#125. To: iconoclast (#121)
(Edited)
Worst of all your opting out can help assure the election of one which you fear or despise.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#126. To: iconoclast (#121)
#127. To: robin (#126)
#128. To: FOH (#124)
All of your spineless World Commie buddies abandoning ship there Traitorbot?
#129. To: Cynicom (#127)
#130. To: Cynicom (#127)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#131. To: ... (#128)
#132. To: robin (#129)
#133. To: iconoclast (#121)
#134. To: aristeides, iconoclast (#133)
That means I can afford the luxury of voting third-party,
#135. To: aristeides (#133)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#136. To: aristeides (#133)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#137. To: robin (#92)
we won't survive a McCain Regime.
#138. To: aristeides (#133)
(Edited)
But my reason for mentioning Bob Barr on this thread is to point out how uninterested many of the people posting here are about issues like war and civil liberties.
#139. To: robin (#126)
#140. To: RickyJ (#137)
We already have. McCain, Bush, Obama, Hillary ect... all get their marching orders from the same people. Picking one puppet over another is the game they want you to play.
#141. To: iconoclast, FOH, robin, christine, Jethro Tull (#139)
#142. To: iconoclast (#139)
#143. To: aristeides (#133)
#144. To: robin (#134)
#145. To: buckeye (#141)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#146. To: christine (#138)
since Ron Paul, our best hope, declined a third party run stating that in the current system, it's futile, i'm certainly not going to get excited about a bob barr.
#147. To: buckeye (#141)
#148. To: iconoclast (#146)
It's a teensy bit more effective than not voting at all.
#149. To: christine (#140)
why is it that people can't see it's a rigged game?OO
#150. To: iconoclast (#149)
Yawn.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#151. To: robin (#142)
It's not like he's my first choice.
#152. To: FOH (#145)
...either way, watch your step.
#153. To: buckeye (#152)
Opening eyes is all we can do, and that requires eloquence.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#154. To: buckeye (#152)
#155. To: Cynicom, FOH (#154)
#156. To: buckeye (#155)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#157. To: FOH (#156)
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
#158. To: buckeye (#157)
He may have just ran out of money to keep the site going.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#159. To: FOH (#158)
Wont you help to sing
Dese songs of freedom? -
cause all I ever had:
Redemption songs -
All I ever had:
Redemption songs:
These songs of freedom,
Songs of freedom.
#160. To: buckeye (#159)
Don't give up trying to find out what happened.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#161. To: iconoclast (#149)
Yawn.
#162. To: Vitamin Z (#161)
The least tainted Marxist in the last 50-60 years? Perhaps.
#163. To: iconoclast (#162)
What's your definition of a Marxist
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#164. To: Jethro Tull (#45)
Obamaville - 22,000 at Penn State
I've already said too much.
#165. To: iconoclast, aristeides, leveller, all (#121)
#166. To: ghostdogtxn (#165)
#167. To: ghostdogtxn (#58)
LOL. Take your camaro down off the blocks and come get me, you internet tough guy, you.
#168. To: ghostdogtxn (#78)
But making mistakes in pursuit of a better future for my kids enables me to look them in the eye and say, "I tried. I'm sorry I failed, or that there weren't enough of us, but I tried."
#169. To: RickyJ (#137)
I am voting for Mel Gibson. He has proven he is not owned by them.
#170. To: iconoclast (#166)
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