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Title: March of the Obamacons
Source: http://www.takimag.com/
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Published: Mar 31, 2008
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2008-03-31 15:04:14 by robin
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March of the Obamacons—The New York Sun notes that the “surge” is working ... that is, the surge of support for Obama among antiwar Republicans. Lincoln Chafee, Douglas Kmiec, Susan Eisenhower, and, perhaps, Senator Chuck Hagel. As the Sun notes: “Asked yesterday on CNN whether he would endorse his party’s presumptive nominee, Mr. Hagel said he would base his support on the candidates’ positions on withdrawing from Iraq.” While neocon hacks of the Rush Limbaugh variety are calling out the thinning ranks of the GOP troops to switch parties for a day and support Hillary, antiwar Republicans are switching and supporting Obama all without prompting from anyone, and the numbers are impressive in Pennsylvania, where the upcoming Democratic primary is going to be decisive. As the Sun reports:

“Of the 140,000 Pennsylvania Republicans and independents who switched registration in the last year to Democrat, the majority are Obama voters, the director of the Franklin and Marshall College poll, G. Terry Madonna, said. Registration for the state’s closed April 22 primary ended March 24. ‘If 2 million people vote in Pennsylvania, which would be a huge number, I think Obama gets 85,000 to 90,000 switchers,’ Mr. Madonna said. ‘That’s 3 or 4 or 5%, which is a big deal.’”

The Ron Paul Republicans are making a difference, albeit, at this point, a purely negative one. Here’s a nice touch from the Sun piece:

“Another Pennsylvania Republican who supports Mr. Obama is retired Major General Walter Stewart, a township supervisor in Burks County who says he has given money both to an anti-Bush Texas Republican, Rep. Ron Paul, and Mr. Hagel, who he said was his first choice for president this election season.

“General Stewart said he was supporting Mr. Obama because he could not endorse a candidate who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, which he compared to King George’s decision to send the British army and Hessian mercenaries into New York Harbor in the Revolutionary War. In 2004, General Stewart said, he supported Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, over Mr. Bush. ‘I think there is a general feeling in the military that this war in Iraq has been a catastrophe,’ he said.”

Gen. Stewart, meet Andy Bacevich ....

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LOL. Take your camaro down off the blocks and come get me, you internet tough guy, you.

Which side will you be on, America's or Amerika's?

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

not an American in any way. You obviously care nothing about this country

I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law. But obviously those aren't the things that in your mind constitute being an American or caring for the country. For you, I guess your country means things like mouthing off about "white guilt."

You know, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. I posted a thread a few days ago about Bob Barr considering a run as a Libertarian, and I would certainly give serious consideration to voting for him, as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does, and to be even more clearly anti-war. And, since I live in Maryland, the Democratic candidate is sure to win in my state, and so I have the luxury of being able to vote third- party with a clear conscience. (Very few people responded to that thread. I believe you are not one of those who did.)

But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IF you are not black, it is white guilt

Nope.

Apparently race means everything to you, but you really must stop assuming that everybody else thinks the same way.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

as he seems to stand for civil liberties at least as clearly as Obama does

ROFLOLOL! THIS IS TOO...FUNNY.

And pathetic.

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah, pardon me....I don't deserve any of that. When you were wandering about some nameless university, I was working, district by district to elect Ross Perot. Maybe it's me, but I never bought into the nutty smear. He was anti NAFTA/GATT/globalization. Had people listened to us, this economic mess you say I deserve would have been avoided. After he went down I turned my energy to his United We Stand movement - you might have been getting your head shrunk in some online law school by that time. After that fizzle, I worked for Buchanan, giving countless hours and dollars to his political failures. Finally, after 8 years of looking at apple-shaped Americans with glazed over eyes, I dropped out of the voting scam (see Votescam).

So no, I didn't support RP save for $100 worth of beer money that Rowdee has promised to get back for me one day soon and no, I don't deserve any of this mess.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war.

George W. Bush campaigned on a "humble" foreign policy, too. Did you support him in 2000?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm a veteran, so I despise an unnecessary war. I'm a lawyer, so I care deeply about the rule of law.

LOLOLAY!!

You're possibly THE most intellectually dishonest poster that I've encountered in this forum then...!

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I recall Ikes son supporting John Kohn for president, you do recall that dont you?

Why doesnt Susan use her real name? Why doesnt she write books about her OTHER Grandmother.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's what I thought, you'll be shooting Ron Paul patriots...thanks for playing.

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you support him in 2000?

No, I didn't. I was half-fooled by him, but, after he supported Clinton's Kosovo war, I couldn't vote for the man. I voted for Buchanan that year.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While Raimondo remains a gifted writer, he has gone downhill substantively in recent years.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   17:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm a lawyer

Careful ari, your elitism is showing again.

If we are supposed to be impressed, I apologize for myself not showing proper respect.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

I guess, unfortunately, it's also no surprise that some people do not share that concern.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey Z, haven't said 'hello' in awhile.

"Hello Z!"

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

The vast majority of AT-TORN'EYs that I've dealt with care about BENDING, CHANGING, PERVERTING and DISREGARDING the rule of law and have been key players in the fall of America...and you certainly seem like the 'vast majority'.

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

Then why are so many lawyers in jail or disbarred every year.

The last I knew there were about 150 law schools in this country, way more than medical schools. Law has been a business for many years and needs overhauling, akin to the medical profession.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, because you despise lawyers, therefore I have to have my opinion because of white guilt?

Is that your brand of logic?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Hello Z!"

Word up, FOH!

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-03-31   17:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is, it's no surprise that I should care about the rule of law.

The rule of law is whatever the lawyer in the black robe says it is, so why in the world should we take it seriously?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Doctors and lawyers are both a lot alike.

While shaking your hand, both check you wallet, if it is light, they cannot help you. You need to see someone else.

If you have a heavy wallet, both give you BS reasons on what they can do for you, without a clue of what your problem is.

I met an honest lawyer once, you could tell because he turned no one away and always kept his word.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

why in the world should we take it seriously?

Plenty of inmates in Guantanamo and in secret prisons already have reason to take very seriously the Bush administration's attack on habeas corpus.

I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In my years of wrangling in the "justice" system, I found the only way was to find the best Judge that money could buy.

Didnt you find that true????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Even if lawyers are as dishonest as you claim, they can still decide how to vote for reasons having to do with the law.

Your attacks on lawyers are beside the point here. My point was, I have perfectly good reasons having nothing to do with "white guilt" for favoring Obama.

I notice you aren't attacking my other motive, having to do with being a veteran and consequently opposing unnecessary wars.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We don't get Ron Paul because we didn't earn him

BS on a stick. RP never, ever had a chance at being selected, and I suspect he knew that himself. I never forgive him for allowing Anderson Cooper to hush him up at his last public debate. Had he been a real revolutionary, he'd have flung one of his penny loafers at that CIA mole's head.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ari...

YOU brought it up that somehow being a lawyer gave you some respect for the law that the unwashed masses did not have.

I read your posts Ari...

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I clerked for a judge for two years, and never had a hint of a suspicion that my judge or any of the other judges on the court were being bribed.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope you never have personal reason to regret this attack.

And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear? Just because he says so? You're too old for such naivitee.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   17:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

YOU brought it up that somehow being a lawyer gave you some respect for the law that the unwashed masses did not have.

As I have now said to you repeatedly, my point was that, as a lawyer, I understandably care about the rule of law, and am therefore inclined to favor the candidate who calls for respecting the Constitution and restoring habeas corpus. Plenty of nonlawyers share that concern.

Some other people apparently do not.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Had he been a real revolutionary, he'd have flung one of his penny loafers at that CIA mole's head.

Hear Hear...

A little revolution now and then is good for the unwashed masses, it is ONLY the self appointed elite that abhor revolutions.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And Obama will make all the nasty stuff disappear?

Oh, so now it's nasty?

I guess that means you now admit we should take it seriously.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-31   17:38:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if Obama is elected he'd make for the most left leaning president in this nations history. I couldn't ever be part of that legacy.

Thank you for the kind words, and I understand your concerns. But do consider, Europe and Scandinavia have survived liberal govts. OTOH, we won't survive a McCain Regime. We could recover from a liberal govt, but not from McCain.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-31   17:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-31   17:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

, as a lawyer, I understandably care about the rule of law,, as a lawyer, I understandably care about the rule of law,

Understandably?????

Do you think everyone else lacks this vital key to understanding the law???

Is there some magic formula that is advanced ONLY in law schools concerning the law???

ghost looks down his nose at white trash and now it seems you do also, that makes me feel bad. Law you may learned, but was there something else you are missing that Yale does not teach?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But one thing I am clear on: Obama is the best of the three major candidates. He's the only one who speaks clearly about civil liberties, and he's also the one who seems most opposed to the war

I'm with you, though I'm uncertain whether or not I'll vote for Obama. I know I'll not vote for Hillary or McCain.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-03-31   17:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You can be like FOH, a purist, and sit on a fence and condemn anyone who decides they should make a comparison of the 3 choices that remain, or you can swallow your bile and pick one of them or another.

There aren't 3 choices.

That's where you're either a liar or an ignoramus...the Founding Fathers and you have little in common.

What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   17:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We could recover from a liberal govt, but not from McCain.

We are not going to survive this current government, the cancer is metastasizing, not as a liberal conservative cancer, not as a pub or dem, just a cancer that is past surgery.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   17:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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