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Title: Obama: I don't carry a Council on Foreign Relations card or know any 'special handshake'
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_no_secret_trade_deals_0331.html
Published: Mar 31, 2008
Author: David Edwards and Eric Mayes
Post Date: 2008-03-31 18:47:26 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 1288
Comments: 98

Worries about One World Order and a North American Union have been "ginned up by the blogs and the Internet," Sen. Barack Obama told a Lancaster, Pennsylvania audience in a stump speech as he continued his tour through the battleground state.

The Illinois senator also defended the recently re-authorized Patriot Act.

Responding to a question from the audience, asking whether he was a member for the Council on Foreign Relations, a group many allege is leading a move toward one world government, Obama said:

"I don’t know if I’m an official member. I’ve spoken there before. It basically is a forum where people talk about foreign policy. There is no official membership. I don’t have a card, or you know a special handshake or anything like that."

Sen. Hillary Clinton has spoken several times to the club. Comments she made today against NAFTA, were posted on the group's website.

Often, because the council has served as lightning rod for conspiracy theorists, candidates shy away from listing their affiliation with the group.

Vice President Dick Cheney is a former director but has taken pains not to publicize the fact.

"I’ve been a member for long and was actually a director for some period of time," he told members in a speech broadcast on C-Span and now on YouTube, adding, "I never mentioned that when I was running for re-election back home in Wyoming."

The council has been at the center of several One World Order conspiracies with theorists contending that the group is conspiring to bring about one world government and a North American Union similar to the European Union.

Obama dismissed those notions.

"I see no evidence of this actually taking place," he said. "I think this is something that has been ginned up on certain blogs and the Internet. It was based mostly on the fact that there is this highway being built in Texas that will facilitate transportation more transportation between Mexico and the intercontinental United States and Canada...NAFTA helped to break down barriers, but I don’t think there is some conspiracy to create this one continental government."

This video is from CNN.com, broadcast March 31, 2008:

Defends portions of Patriot Act

Obama said he opposed NAFTA because it didn’t offer enough protections to American workers but he defended portions of the Patriot Act which he said he worked on to cut out some of the most objectionable portions.

Free trade has been an issue across the nation in this campaign particularly as many once prosperous industrial states struggle with ways to cope with the changing global economy. It was a critical issue for voters in Ohio where Clinton managed to beat Obama. Pennsylvania voters have expressed similar concerns.

Obama said he did not support NAFTA.

"I was opposed to NAFTA because I thought that it didn’t have the labor and environmental standards and the safety standards that would look out for US workers," replied Obama.

Clinton’s husband oversaw passage of NAFTA but today she called for parts of it to be renegotiated.

"I spoke out against it starting in 1992 -- the president made a different decision," Clinton said. "I think now with 14 years of experience under our belt, we can see that in some parts of our country there have been, perhaps, some economic advantages, but in other parts of our country, like where we are right here in northwest Indiana, it hasn't worked as it was promised, and therefore I think we need to renegotiate it," she told an Indiana audience today.

Obama also spoke about the Patriot Act, which he voted to re-authorize.

The Patriot Act is not the problem, he said. A series of executive orders is what has really eroded civil liberties.

"Most of the problem that we have had in civil liberties were not done in the Patriot Act they were done in executive order by George W. Bush...I will reverse them with the stroke of a pen," he said, listing the establishment of Guantanamo Bay, warrantless wiretaps and the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

Other parts of the law were valid, he said.

"There were some provisions in the Patriot Act that did address changes that needed to take place," said Obama, citing as an example a clause that now allows the government to tap cellular phones.

His work he said, kept many of the worst portions of the law from being re-enacted.

"We instituted a series of amendments that changed some of the worst excesses of the previous law," he said.

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#58. To: Cynicom (#56)

An audition for Obama's cabinet?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-31   20:53:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#56)

The Trotsky reference was totally out of context and character, or was it????

2 more things:

1) It's alleged that his wife denied that he wrote it. That's all I ever heard about that...

2) The Trotsky quote was never addressed by anyone at the campaign, including RP...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: FOH, Cynicom (#55)

At 2:30pm on March 30, 1981, the son of a family with close ties to the Bush family (who had undergone "psychological treatment") nearly took the life out of the Reagan presidency.

Don't blame Reagan for being more careful after that. See John Hankey's investigation of the JFK murder.

These events may well have been psyops intended to reign in presidents — and terrify the American people, as well.

JFK tried to "act" a little too presidential. Just consider EO 11110.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   20:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FOH (#57)

123 Book Meme & U.S. Foreign Policy

Thanks to Ben of openswitch, I have become the latest victim of the 123 Meme (did you know that the origin of the word ‘meme’ comes from evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins?). Essentially, this latest online cultural idea — that, supposedly like a gene, can replicate and evolve — requires you to select the nearest book and post an excerpt on your blog using the following rules:

Pick up the nearest book of 123 pages or more. No cheating! 1 Turn to page 123. Find the first 5 [full] sentences. 2 Post the next 3 sentences. Tag 5 people. For regular readers this quote will come as no big surprise:

[…] Where they supported the Persian Gulf War, this administration has not garnered their support for partisan reasons. The principles of interventionism, constitutionality and morality have not been applied consistently to each war effort by either political party; and there is a precise reason for this, over and above the petty partisanship of many.

The use of government force to mold personal behavior, manipulate the economy and interfere in the affairs of other nations is an acceptable practice endorsed by nearly everyone in Washington, regardless of party affiliation. […]

The above was taken from “A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship,” which is a collection of Congressional speeches given by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas between 1976 and 2006. What might surprise you is that the date of this speech was April 21, 1999, in which Dr. Paul addressed U.S. foreign policy and NATO’s involvement in Yugoslavia and Kosovo. And you thought he was talking about Bush.

transformatum.com/2008/02...k-meme-us-foreign-policy/

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-31   20:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: FOH (#54)

I wonder if someone of the evil ilk conveyed to him potential personal costs to he and his for doing so...who knows?

Now we're getting somewhere. Why does a man like RP, who can honestly stand on his record, suddenly roll over and play dead? Hardball, folks.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-03-31   20:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeye (#60)

Excellent post good man buckeye!

A POTUS-patriot that sounded off the truth on National TV would have millions of people and troops at his service to eject and decapitate any and all illegal shadow government operatives that didn't flee on their own...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Old Fud (#62)

Hardball, folks.

I agree with you.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   20:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FOH, buckeye, Jethro tull, Christine (#59)

1) It's alleged that his wife denied that he wrote it. That's all I ever heard about that...

2) The Trotsky quote was never addressed by anyone at the campaign, including RP..

I was taught long about analytical reading and comprehension.

Namely, taking what is said and was is not said and combining them into one context to arrive at the real and full meaning. Trotsky was 180 degrees out of character, so was there a purpose, a meaning, a warning, a hint, what?

Damned if I can figure it out. If Paul did not write, then Trotsky reference is meaningless, if he did write it, what was the unspoken instigation, or was he in a high state of emotion or frustration.

Time will tell

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   21:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: buckeye (#60)

At 2:30pm on March 30, 1981, the son of a family with close ties to the Bush family (who had undergone "psychological treatment") nearly took the life out of the Reagan presidency.

Bears repeating. Check out 'dinner plans' between Neil Bush and Scott Hinkley (brother of John) the night of... or previous(?)... can't recall, and I don't have the links.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-03-31   21:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Peppa, buckeye, Cynicom, JethroTull, christine (#61)

Did you guys see this?

Thanks Peppa...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   21:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Old Fud (#62)

? Hardball, folks.

Fud...

See my 65

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   21:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#65)

Time will tell

Do you believe that? I wonder...if I knew then what I know now, I'd have infiltrated the Establishment when I had the chance and be of more use.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   21:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Peppa (#61)

And you thought he was talking about Bush.

The name at the Office of the Presidency is changed periodically to protect the guilty.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   21:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Old Fud (#66)

Check out 'dinner plans' between Neil Bush and Scott Hinkley (brother of John) the night of... or previous

The Bush Crime Family, according the Law of Sowing and Reaping, has some very hard times ahead...I hope I live to be an eyewitness.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   21:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FOH (#69)

Do you believe that?

Go back to 1913, the warning voice was of Charles Lindbergh speaking against the FED RES, he was ruined and his life threatened.

Later came Huey Long, he was shot, then McFadden he was shot and poisoned then Lindbergh Jr, baby was killed and there were others I have forgotten and now Paul.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   21:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#72)

Apparently Perot and family were threatened...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   21:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: FOH (#73)

But my hand was made strong
By the and of the almighty.
We forward in this generation
Triumphantly.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   21:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: FOH, Jethro tull, buckeye, robin, christine (#73)

Does anyone see anything odd here???

"McCain, a champion of campaign finance reform, has just $7.9 million cash on hand compared to $33.1 million for Hillary Clinton and $38.8 million for Barack Obama, according to Federal Election Commission filings through Feb. 29. Additional numbers for the first quarter of 2008 will be out within weeks. McCain also has $4.3 million in debt, compared to $8.7 million for Clinton and only $625,000 for Obama, according to the latest figures."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   21:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FOH (#67)

Thanks Peppa...

YW.

More to follow.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-03-31   21:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: FOH (#73)

Apparently Perot and family were threatened...

... never heard from again. Can the case be more plain?

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-03-31   21:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: FOH (#27)

Can you imagine any of these clowns getting a landslide vote in a record turnout???

People exercising their right to psychological manipulation via the media.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-31   21:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Cynicom (#75) (Edited)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres0...p?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres0...p?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

www.opensecrets.org/pres0...p?id=N00006424&cycle=2008

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-31   21:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: robin (#79)

Think I will run for president, seems like a lot of money is available.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   21:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: christine (#44)

IF 4um is a microcosm of the state of our country right now

It's a bear market.

There's even a secession movement in Cook County.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-03-31   22:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: robin (#0)

"I see no evidence of this actually taking place," he (Obama) said.

Clinton’s husband oversaw passage of NAFTA but today she called for parts of it to be renegotiated.

"I spoke out against it starting in 1992 -- the president made a different decision," Clinton said. "I think now with 14 years of experience under our belt, we can see that in some parts of our country there have been, perhaps, some economic advantages, but in other parts of our country, like where we are right here in northwest Indiana, it hasn't worked as it was promised, and therefore I think we need to renegotiate it," she told an Indiana audience today.

Personally, I've heard this same sort of shit my entire life, to a point where I'm unwilling to tolerate it any longer. We act like children and are treated as such. Who the fuck are these people to focus cameras on us, print us, monitor our finances, tax us, tell us what to eat, where to educate our children, stick needles in our kids butts, and after all is said and done ... are we better off for it ?

Whose life is it anyways, theirs or ours ?

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-03-31   23:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: noone222 (#82)

theirs or ours ?

Theirs.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   23:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom (#83)

Theirs.

Mine ! (You pessimists are cramping my style).

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-03-31   23:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: noone222 (#84)

Dont confuse realism with pessimism, nor optimism.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   23:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: noone222 (#82)

We act like children and are treated as such. Who the fuck are these people to focus cameras on us, print us, monitor our finances, tax us, tell us what to eat, where to educate our children, stick needles in our kids butts,

really, it is galling. speaking of which, did you hear they snatched Sherry Peel Jackson???

christine  posted on  2008-03-31   23:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: noone222 (#82)

it hasn't worked as it was promised, and therefore I think we need to renegotiate it," she told an Indiana audience today.

Too late, hag. Everything's been picked clean.

"Look well therefore to this Day!" ~ Kalidasa

angle  posted on  2008-03-31   23:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: noone222 (#82)

I told them to eff themselves a long time ago, spelled it out clearly, terminated the agreements my parents entered me into without my knowledge and I've made it clear to them the cost of effing with me or mine...that's just me though.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   23:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: christine (#86)

did you hear they snatched Sherry Peel Jackson

? Of Green Party recent fame?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   23:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: christine (#86)

did you hear they snatched Sherry Peel Jackson???

I heard her husband today on RBN ... he said she was locked up. But I didn't hear much of the program.

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-03-31   23:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: FOH (#88)

told them to eff themselves a long time ago, spelled it out clearly, terminated the agreements my parents entered me into without my knowledge and I've made it clear to them the cost of effing with me or mine...that's just me though.

Me too. My last correspondence stated "If you or any of your agents should ever step foot on my property I will consider it an act of war and treat it as such".

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-03-31   23:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: angle (#87) (Edited)

Too late, hag. Everything's been picked clean.

Like these political shit-bags couldn't pre-determine that sending our manufacturing out of the country wouldn't have a devastating impact on the middle-class ... gimme a break.

Bob Dole even stated "Calls coming in to my Kansas Office are 2000 to 1 in opposition to NAFTA ... but I'm voting FOR IT because I know what we need".

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-03-31   23:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Cynicom (#85)

Dont confuse realism with pessimism, nor optimism.

I was being a little sarcastic !

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-03-31   23:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: noone222 (#93)

I was being a little sarcastic !

Good...

Realism bites every day, pessimism throws in the towel and dons kneepads, optimism is living in fairyland.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-31   23:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: noone222 (#91)

I knew I liked you for a reason...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-03-31   23:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: FOH (#89)

former IRS agent like Joe Bannister, only unlike Bannister, she was convicted for willful failure to file. she was featured in Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism.

christine  posted on  2008-03-31   23:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#96)

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

She played the kangaroo court game did she?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-01   0:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine (#96)

former IRS agent like Joe Bannister, only unlike Bannister, she was convicted

This is exactly why I am opposed to Crier (Cryer) and Becraft. When the determination made is so arbitrary that each case must be heard by a jury while at the same time the outcome always remains uncertain there is no opportunity for justice.

Something so basic as taxation that is assumed to apply to everyone regardless of educational background shouldn't require bookkeepers, lawyers and the court system. And when someone challenges these assumptions they shouldn't be incarcerated for asking questions. This is a perfect example.

Guns don't kill people ... Governments do

noone222  posted on  2008-04-01   0:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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