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Title: Life And War (THE PHONY PRO-LIFE STAND OF THE GOP)
Source: The American Conservative
URL Source: http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/04/01/life-and-war/
Published: Apr 1, 2008
Author: Daniel Larison
Post Date: 2008-04-02 11:57:31 by aristeides
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Comments: 10

Life And War

Posted on April 1st, 2008 by Daniel Larison

Ross responds to the paleo onslaught. I would also point to Dan’s direct response to Ross’ argument as the starting point for my own reply. Dan writes:

Bacevich has the better of the argument, at least as regards abortion. The GOP has had opportunities to overturn Roe before—at any point when Republicans controlled the House, Senate, and White House, Congress could have restricted the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction over abortion using the powers invested in the legislative branch by Article III of the Constitution, overturning Roe at a stroke. Perhaps they were right not to do so: the powers of Article III, Section 2 have rarely been used in such a manner, and the precedent could easily have boomeranged against conservatives once the Democrats took Congress. Nevertheless, if the GOP were as adamantly pro-life as pro-lifers are encouraged to believe it is, the Republican Congress could have voided Roe any time between 2003 and 2007.

This is really the heart of the matter. For decades the GOP kept luring pro-life voters to the polls by saying, “We just need the majority in Congress and control of the White House, and then you’ll see things change.” So these people faithfully turned out every time for candidates, some of them quite mediocre and undeserving, and finally gave the GOP the unified government it had said it needed, and in return they received nothing more than they had under Reagan at the beginning. It was also obviously during this time that the GOP was wasting all of its time and energy launching and defending the war in Iraq, while scarcely being able to expend an ounce of political capital on anything important to pro-life conservatives. (Oh, wait, I forgot-Schiavo!) The question of priorities is relevant here.

Dan re-states the issue this way:

Bacevich is not denying any of that, of course, and Douthat simply avoids the tough question implied in Bacevich’s article: what exactly can we expect from overturning Roe, and is whatever hoped-for good is to be achieved enough to justify voting for a candidate—McCain—who will perpetuate one unjust and disastrous war and probably start a few more?

So here Dan is staking out a different position from the one Ross describes: even if it were likely that McCain would appoint another anti-Roe justice and the Court would then overturn Roe very quickly, that still may not justify supporting McCain because of his backing of an unjust war. However, I certainly am doubtful that McCain would appoint such a justice, or that any nominally anti-Roe justice he appointed would hold to that view when it matters. What sort of justice do we really expect McCain to appoint, when it is a question of satisfying social conservatives he probably doesn’t need to appease any longer (especially if he is going to be just a one-term President) or winning the approval of his media admirers and former Senate colleagues? What sort of justice does Ross expect a 55-seat, combative Democratic majority Senate to confirm?

Ross and Dan both talk about Justice Kennedy, but there was another vote to uphold Roe in 1992 that has so far gone unmentioned. The tenure of Sandra Day O’Connor is a cautionary tale for all those who trust rather too much in certain judges (while ironically distrusting the judiciary as an institution at the same time). When nominated, she was presented (misleadingly) as an anti-Roe justice, but proved to be nothing of the kind. That may or may not happen with Roberts and Alito, but it’s worth noting that one of the things that made Roberts a clear favourite for the first Court appointment was his relative lack of a paper trail. Indeed, I guessed that Bush would pick him because of this Souteresque quality.

Part of my skepticism of Bush’s justices and McCain is simply the result of my pessimism, which I think is well-founded especially when it relates to government. I assume that those seeking power in one form or another will exploit the hopes of others in order to get it, and will then do only as much for those others as is necessary to retain power, and in the case of lifetime appointments to the Court the justices don’t have to do anything to retain the unchecked and arbitrary power they now possess. At the same time, I don’t think that John Roberts sat before the Judiciary Committee and perjured himself when he said that he thought that Roe was the “settled law of the land” and then went on to say, “There’s nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent.” To expect that Roberts is a reliable anti-Roe vote is ultimately to believe him to be a liar, in which case it is not clear why anyone would trust him one way or the other.

A stronger, long-term argument is the one Dan made in his original, excellent article:

The blame for the Republican loss of Congress and the damage it inflicted upon the pro-life movement rests not with antiwar paleoconservatives but with Hitchcock’s friends the neocons. (Hitchcock praises The Weekly Standard in his “Catholic Right” essay.) “The pro-life movement was at least temporarily derailed in 2006 by the strong public backlash against the war in Iraq,” he writes. That’s exactly right: the Iraq War, not Joe Sobran’s support for Jim Webb, cost the Republicans Congress and derailed the pro-life movement. And who gave us the Iraq War?

Where are the expanding Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress coming from? They are coming from, in large part, a backlash against the war. That is not the only reason, and the GOP cannot assume that ending the war would be a panacea for its unpopularity, but it is the largest millstone around their collective neck. So long as the GOP is so deeply unpopular and associated with the Iraq war and the entire foreign policy paradigm that led to that war, it will not even be in a position to confirm the sorts of justices Ross wants, much less “returning control over abortion law to the hands of the voting public,” which I agree with Ross ”remains a necessary goal for any pro-life, socially-conservative politics that takes itself seriously as a change agent in American life.”

If we are going to take the long view, the best hope for putting together an electoral majority that will advance the pro-life cause would be either to decouple the pro-life cause from a party committed to perpetuating illegal, foreign wars or to decouple that party from its support for such wars. So long as they are joined together, not only will pro-life priorities take a very remote backseat to interventionist concerns (as social conservatives have always taken a backseat to the national security crowd) but pro-lifers will remain closely associated with and connected to profoundly unpopular policies. That doesn’t even touch the question of the philosophical incoherence of the people who preach the dignity of every human life while endorsing, tacitly or not, secret prisons, torture and aggressive war. McCain’s success would solidify this alliance between pro-lifers and interventionists, which might very easily break apart in the event of GOP defeat in the presidential race. That is, if you like, the long-term pro-life argument for voting against McCain.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

Republicrat vs Democan

They are both the CFR Party, just with different skin and brand name...Communists and Fascists taking us over the cliff.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-02   12:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides, Red Jones (#0)

This is really the heart of the matter. For decades the GOP kept luring pro-life voters to the polls by saying, “We just need the majority in Congress and control of the White House, and then you’ll see things change.” So these people faithfully turned out every time for candidates, some of them quite mediocre and undeserving, and finally gave the GOP the unified government it had said it needed, and in return they received nothing more than they had under Reagan at the beginning. It was also obviously during this time that the GOP was wasting all of its time and energy launching and defending the war in Iraq, while scarcely being able to expend an ounce of political capital on anything important to pro-life conservatives.

I have always voted pro-life, and have received absolutely nothing for that vote.

McCain claims to be pro-life, yet he has promised us 100 more years of wars. Wars that kill babies, children and pregnant women. What's pro-life about that?

McCain also says he is against torture, but advocates a war where torture is still ongoing. Red Jones just posted an article that our own women in uniform are frequently raped, and by their own fellow soldiers in their own barracks. What kind of war is that? What kind of military do we have?

Sanctity of life is so far from the NeoCon agenda, it resembles something much closer to Satanism.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-02   14:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

McCain Makes Conflicting Statements on Abortion

By NRLC Federal Legislative Office

WASHINGTON (Sept. 13) - Senator John McCain (R-Az.), a leading contender for the Republican nomination for President, said on August 19, "Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade," the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand.

After NRLC and others voiced sharp objections, McCain shifted his ground somewhat, saying that if elected President, he would "work toward" the overturning of Roe. But McCain's "clarifying" statements have been murky, and have raised more questions than they answered.

The current controversy began with statements by McCain reported in two different publications. The first of these appeared in the August 21 edition of the evangelical news magazine World, which reported in a profile of McCain:

"Though he [McCain] insists he, personally, is 'morally pro-life,' he said he would try to ensure that no voter felt 'excluded' from the GOP. 'I would not seek to overturn Roe vs. Wade tomorrow,' he continued, because doing so would endanger the lives of women. He . . . said he wants to change hearts on the abortion issue before changing any laws."

About the same time that magazine reached subscribers, on August 19, McCain was interviewed by the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle. McCain again expressed opposition to reversing Roe, and offered a more detail rationale for that position. McCain's statement, as published in the paper's August 20 edition, was as follows:

"I'd love to see a point where it [Roe v. Wade] is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to (undergo) illegal and dangerous operations."

NRLC Executive Director David N. O'Steen, Ph.D., commented, "In contending that legal abortion is 'necessary' and that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned because it would 'force' women to undergo dangerous illegal abortions, McCain parroted arguments of the pro-abortion movement. A candidate who argues that legal abortion is 'necessary' is not a pro-life candidate."

NRLC Legislative Director Douglas Johnson was also sharply critical of McCain's statement, noting, "In effect, McCain said that he wouldn't support overturning Roe because people still wanted to obtain abortions, but if at some far future date people didn't 'need' abortions anymore and Roe was therefore 'irrelevant,' then at that point it would be okay with him to overturn it. It appears that McCain was trying to signal that if he were elected President, Roe would be safe."

McCain's comments were understood the same way by the pro-abortion editorial board of the Washington Post, which on August 24 commended McCain who, the Post noted with approval, "unleashes a powerful argument in favor of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion."

Flip Flop?

McCain's statements reported in World and the Chronicle were directly contradictory to earlier statements in which he professed opposition to Roe and strong support for restoration of legal protection for unborn children.

For example, on February 25, 1998, McCain sent a letter to the nation's Roman Catholic bishops, in which he wrote, "I am a life long, ardent supporter of unborn children's right to life. . . . I salute the [Catholic] Church's efforts to protect unborn children, and pledge my continued help in your efforts." [The complete text of McCain's 1998 letter is found on the NRLC website at www.nrlc.org/Federal/ Free_Speech/mccainbishop.html.]

Moreover, on July 22, 1998, McCain filled out, signed, and returned NRLC's 1998 Congressional Candidate Questionnaire, on which McCain was asked, "Do you support the complete reversal of the Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton decisions, thereby allowing the state legislatures and the Congress to once again protect unborn children?" McCain responded, "Yes."

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state legislatures and Congress would once again have legal authority to protect unborn children from abortion. On the same questionnaire, McCain responded that he believed that abortion should be legal only "to prevent the mother's death, in cases of incest, and in reported cases of forcible rape."

Muddled "Clarifications"

When NRLC promptly took note of and objected to McCain's pro-Roe statements, the initial response by McCain's campaign staff was to tell individual reporters that McCain's statements were similar to those of Texas Governor George Bush, the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination. NRLC responded that such a claim was false, since Bush has consistently favored the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and also supports a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal (except to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape or incest).

McCain then began to "clarify" his position, in a series of muddled and confusing statements on the subject.

In a written statement issued on August 22, McCain said, "I have always believed in the importance of the repeal of Roe v. Wade, and as President, I would work toward its repeal. . . . but [I believe] that it must take place in conjunction with a sustained effort to reduce the number of abortions performed in America. If Roe v. Wade were repealed tomorrow, it would force thousands of young women to undergo dangerous and illegal operations. I will continue to work with both pro-life and pro-choice Americans so that we can eliminate the need for abortions to be performed in this country."

"The National Right to Life Committee vigorously disagrees with McCain's repeated assertion that there is a 'need' to kill unborn children," commented NRLC's O'Steen.

In an August 23 letter from McCain to NRLC President Wanda Franz, he wrote:

"I have always believed in the importance of the repeal of Roe vs. Wade, and as President, I would work toward its repeal," McCain wrote. He did not repeat ­ but neither did he explain or withdraw­ his previous statements that there is a "need" for abortion and that overturning Roe would "force" women to seek dangerous illegal abortions.

On August 26, McCain said, "I have a moral belief that life begins at inception."

On August 31, at a news conference in New Hampshire, McCain said that if elected president, he would "immediately support efforts to move in (the) direction" of banning abortion.

On September 12, on NBC's Meet the Press, host Tim Russert read McCain his August 19 statement to the San Francisco Chronicle and then asked, "Would President McCain support the repeal of Roe v. Wade in the short term?"

McCain responded, "I would support the movement in that direction, and I believe that this goal that we all seek ­ what I'm trying to say here is that we need a dialogue in America and in our party between pro-life and pro-choice people, maintaining our pro-life position as a party so we can achieve the goal that both pro-choice and pro-life people seek. . . . There are many areas we can work together ­ adoption, foster care, education."

Abortion Pill

McCain also has recently made apparently contradictory statements regarding the RU 486 abortion pill.

The Sacramento (Ca.) Bee reported on August 25, "When asked about RU-486 [the abortion pill] . . . McCain initially indicated he had no problem with its use. However, an aide later provided a McCain statement that said the senator had 'strong reservations' about the pill, 'unless there is clear scientific evidence that it serves a beneficial medical purpose other than inducing abortions.'"

But a September 8 Associated Press, reporting on "a wide-ranging interview" with McCain, contained this passage: "Asked his position on abortion-inducing drugs like the French pill RU-486, McCain passed. 'I have to take a look at that,' he said."

(In June, the House of Representatives voted to bar the Food and Drug Administration from approving the drug for sale in the U.S., but the Senate has not yet voted on that issue.)

Fetal-Tissue Experimentation

During his 16 years in Congress, McCain has usually voted in accord with the pro-life position. However, there have been some important exceptions.

McCain has been an active supporter of the use of federal funds for experimentation utilizing tissue taken from aborted babies. The most recent occasion on which that issue came before the Senate was in 1997, when pro-life Senator Dan Coats (R-In.) attempted to prevent federal funding of abortion-dependent fetal tissue research for Parkinson's disease. McCain led the opposition to the Coats amendment, which was defeated.

In a 1992 letter defending his earlier votes in favor of federal funding of abortion-dependent fetal-tissue experimentation, McCain wrote, "I feel that Congress must act affirmatively to support research to save lives, using tissue obtained through a practice which is currently legal in this country."

McCain this month reaffirmed his support for federal funding of such experimentation in an interview with the Associated Press.

Free Speech

McCain is the chief sponsor of a "campaign reform" bill that would, among other things, heavily regulate communications by issue-oriented groups (such as NRLC and NRLC affiliates) regarding the positions and voting records of those who hold or seek federal office. The bill is strongly opposed by NRLC, and also by many other issue-oriented groups, including the Christian Coalition and Concerned Women for America.

In his August interview with World magazine, McCain continued to defend his position that legal restrictions should be placed on communications that comment on the positions on issues of members of Congress and congressional candidates. Referring to "all issue advocacy groups," McCain said, "If they want to advocate a particular issue, that's fine, but when they enter into a campaign for or against a candidate, then they're violating the intent of the law."

[For detailed information on the ways in which McCain's bill would restrict NRLC and other pro-life groups, see the NRLC website at www.nrlc.org.]

McKooK uses Pro-Life as a political football, end of story.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-02   14:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#2)

For supporters of the Bush regime's wars of aggression to call themselves "pro- life" is a sick joke.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-02   14:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: aristeides, robin (#4)

For supporters of the Bush regime's wars of aggression to call themselves "pro- life" is a sick joke.

I agree with you. and yet people do it.

I read an article once written by a fellow who was both a medical doctor and a lawyer, as well as a pro-life activist. He recounted how there was absolutely nothing the Republicans had ever done for the pro-life movement. He said that when they passed the law against 'partial-birth abortion', what they really did was make a law that allowed the doctors to make a small change in the procedure that was called 'partial-birth abortion' and then call the procedure something else and make it perfectly legal. So the effect of that legislation which was supposed to outlaw partial-birth abortions in reality increased the quantity of such abortions.

how people can be so stupid as to say they vote republican because they are 'pro-life' is beyond me.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-02   14:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Red Jones (#5)

He said that when they passed the law against 'partial-birth abortion', what they really did was make a law that allowed the doctors to make a small change in the procedure that was called 'partial-birth abortion' and then call the procedure something else and make it perfectly legal. So the effect of that legislation which was supposed to outlaw partial-birth abortions in reality increased the quantity of such abortions.

I wasn't aware of that "other" procedure.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-02   14:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#5)

how people can be so stupid as to say they vote republican because they are 'pro-life' is beyond me.

The Republic has too many dumbed-down, brain-washed idjits to survive IMO...that's why the Republic is dead and the North Amerikan Soviet Union is barreling down on us at high speed.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-02   14:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#0)

The GOP has had opportunities to overturn Roe before—at any point when Republicans controlled the House, Senate, and White House, Congress could have restricted the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction over abortion using the powers invested in the legislative branch by Article III of the Constitution, overturning Roe at a stroke.

This refers to the part of Article III, Section 2, Clause 2 which states:

In all other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions , and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
Congress can carve out exceptions to the Court's jurisdiction.

Congress could not restrict the effect of the Roe decision after it had been issued. Roe is out the door. The Congress cannot restrict the Court's jurisdiction to hear Roe. Neither can they constitutionally enact a law which will just be struck down by Roe. An Amendment to the Constitution would do the job if they could get enough people to vote for it.

Moreover, Roe was issued by a Court dominated 6-3 by GOP nominees, and five (5) members of the majority were GOP nominees.

ROE v. WADE COURT
GOP 6, DEM 3

Majority by: Blackmun
Joined by: Burger, Douglas, Brennan, Stewart, Marshall, Powell
Concurrence by: Burger
Concurrence by: Douglas
Concurrence by: Stewart

Dissent by: White
Joined by: Rehnquist
Dissent by: Rehnquist

Blackmun (Nixon 1970)
Douglas (FDR 1939)
Brennan (Eisenhower 1956)
Stewart (Eisenhower 1958)
Marshall (LBJ 1967)
Powell (Nixon 1972)
Burger (Nixon 1969)
White (JFK 1962)
Rehnquist (Nixon 1972 associate justice, Reagan 1986 Chief Justice)

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-02   18:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#2)

McCain claims to be pro-life, yet he has promised us 100 more years of wars. Wars that kill babies, children and pregnant women. What's pro-life about that?

Southern Baptists used to pitch a fit whenever I would bring up that part of the entire pro-life equation. They oppose abortion, but see nothing wrong with kicking raghead ass in the Middle East. Even raghead children.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-04-02   18:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu_chan (#8)

Yeah, those Republican nominees were such a big pro-life help.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-02   19:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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