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Title: Top Bush Administration officials pressured underlings to use torture tactics at Guantanamo
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Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Highl ... pressured_underlings_0402.html
Published: Apr 2, 2008
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2008-04-02 17:57:16 by robin
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"Torture at Guantánamo was sanctioned by the most senior advisers to the president, the vice president, and the secretary of defense, according to the international lawyer and professor of law at University College London Philippe Sands, who has conducted a forensic examination of the chain of command leading from the top of the administration to the camp at Guantánamo," Vanity Fair will report on newstands today. The article directly contradicts the administration’s account to Congress, which placed responsibility on military commanders and interrogators on the ground for the practices banned by the Geneva Conventions. Excerpts from the magazine's release follow. The full story is available here. Sands reports that these senior advisers face a real risk of criminal investigation if they set foot outside the United States, despite the Military Commissions Act, signed into law by President Bush in 2006. The hitch is that their immunity is good only within U.S. borders, and rather than protecting them, the act may lead to an eventual investigation by foreign governments. For some, the future may hold “a tap on the shoulder.” Sands consulted a judge and prosecutor in a major European city, both of whom are familiar with these sorts of cases. The prosecutor called the act “very stupid,” explaining that it would make it much easier for investigators outside the U.S. to argue that possible war crimes would never be addressed in their home country. “It’s a matter of time,” the judge told Sands. “And then something unexpected happens, when one of these lawyers travels to the wrong place.” Sands talks with everyone from high level members of the administration to soldiers on the ground at Guantánamo, among them: Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense, General Richard Myers, former joint chiefs chairman, and Lieutenant Colonel Diane Beaver, who was charged with writing a document providing legal authority for harsh interrogation. Also in Sands’s article: DOUGLAS FEITH ON HOW THE ADMINISTRATION EVADED THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS: Feith confirms that the logic of the law was not followed with respect to Geneva, rather it deliberately created a legal black hole into which the detainees were meant to fall—and that was the point. “Didn’t the administration’s approach mean that Geneva’s constraints on interrogation couldn’t be invoked by anyone at Guantánamo?” Sands asked Feith. “Oh yes, sure,” Feith replied. “Was that the intended result?” “Absolutely.” Sands writes that he asked again: Under the Geneva Conventions, no one at Guantánamo was entitled to any protection? “That’s the point,” Feith reiterated. As he saw it, either you were a detainee to whom Geneva didn’t apply (al-Qaeda fighters, because they weren’t part of a state); or you were a detainee to whom Geneva applied but whose rights you couldn’t invoke (members of the Taliban, because they hadn’t worn uniforms or insignia). What was the difference for the purpose on interrogation? Sands asked. Feith answered with a certain satisfaction: “It turns out, none. But that’s the point.” When Sands asks Feith whether he was at all concerned that the Geneva decision might have diminished America’s moral authority, Feith tells Sands, “The problem with moral authority” was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.” According to Sands, Feith’s arguments were so clever that General Richard Myers, joint chiefs chairman, continued to believe that Geneva’s protection remained in force, and was “well and truly hoodwinked,” a seasoned observer of military affairs tells Sands. MEETING OF HIGH-LEVEL ADMINISTRATION LAWYERS ON SEPTEMBER 25 AT GUANTÁNAMO TO DISCUSS TACTICS: A delegation of the administration’s senior lawyers, including Dick Cheney’s chief counsel (later his chief of staff) David S. Addington, White House counsel (later attorney general) Alberto Gonzales, Pentagon general counsel Jim Haynes, and the C.I.A.’s John Rizzo arrived at Gitmo on September 25. “They wanted to know what we were doing to get this guy [Mohammed al-Qahtani, allegedly a member of the 9/11 conspiracy and the so-called 20th hijacker],” Major General Michael Dunlavey, who ran Joint Task Force 170, which oversaw military interrogations, tells Sands, “and Addington was interested in how we were managing it.… They brought ideas with them which had been given from sources in D.C. They came down to observe and talk.” Throughout this period, says Dunlavey, Rumsfeld was “directly and regularly involved.” LT. COLONEL DIANE BEAVER ON WASHINGTON’S ROLE IN DEVISING TACTICS, AND JACK BAUER’S INFLUENCE: Sands reports that Beaver, who was charged with writing a document providing legal authority for harsh interrogation, confirms new details of the crucial meeting that took place at Guantánamo, and she tells Sands she “kept minutes” at other brainstorming sessions in which new techniques were discussed. The younger men would get particularly excited, she says: “You could almost see their dicks getting hard as they got new ideas.” Beaver also notes that ideas arose from other sources, such as the television show 24. Jack Bauer, the main character, had many friends at Guantánamo, says Beaver: “He gave people lots of ideas.” It was clear to Sands that Beaver believed that Washington was directly involved in the interrogations, and her account confirms what others tell Sands—that Washington’s views were being fed into the process by people physically present at Guantánamo. BEAVER ON HER ROLE AT GUANTÁNAMO: Sands reports that Beaver was set up as a fall guy of sorts. Someone more fully schooled in the relevant law might have questioned what she was being asked to do. “It was not my job to second-guess the president,” Beaver tells Sands. Despite other memos prepared by administration lawyers, none other was cited as bearing on aggressive interrogations. Beaver tells Sands she was insistent that the decision to implement new techniques be properly written up, and that the paper trail to the top be clear. “I wanted to get something in writing,” she tells Sands. “That was my game plan. I had four days. Dunlavey gave me just four days.” Beaver tells Sands that she never imagined her work would not be vetted by someone higher up the chain. What she didn’t know at the time, according to Sands, was that those same people had already made their decisions, had the security of legal cover from the Justice Department, and, although confident with that protection, had no intention of soiling their hands by weighing in on the unpleasant details of interrogation. GENERAL RICHARD MYERS AND A FORMER PENTAGON OFFICIAL ON HOW THE HAYNES MEMO DID NOT GO THROUGH THE USUAL CHANNELS OF APPROVAL: Myers confessed to Sands that he was troubled that normal procedures had been circumvented with regard to the Haynes Memo [An “action memo” written in November 2002 listing proposed techniques of aggressive interrogation]. “You don’t see my initials on this,” he tells Sands, as he holds the paper. “You see I’ve just ‘discussed’ it,” he says, noting a sentence in the memo to that effect. “This was not the way this should have come about.” He tells Sands of the “intrigue” that was going on around the time of the memo, “that I wasn’t aware of,” he says, “that was probably occurring between Jim Haynes, White House general counsel, and Justice.” A former Pentagon official provides further confirmation that the memo got special handling, telling Sands that Lieutenant General Bantz Craddock, Rumsfeld’s senior military assistant, noticed the memo was missing a buck slip, an essential component that shows a document’s circulation path, and which everyone was supposed to initial. There was no signature from the general counsel’s office, so it went back to Haynes who signed off with a note that said simply, “Good to go.” Philippe Sands is an international lawyer at Matrix Chambers and a professor at University College London. This is his first article for Vanity Fair, and is based on several years of reporting. Sands is the author of numerous books—a full account of this article will appear in Torture Team: Rumsfeld’s Memo and the Betrayal of American Values (Palgrave Macmillan), out in May 2008. The May issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and Los Angeles on April 2 and nationally on April 8.
Of Guantanamo interrogators: “You could almost see their dicks getting hard as they got new ideas.”
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#1. To: robin (#0)
Guantanamo is just the tip of the iceberg in Prison management world wide. Why do you think our pig of a president would choose black op prisons all over the world in countries that sanction torture? He would do it here were it not for the publicity that would explode. Instead the US and each state of the union maintains a prison system just as cruel and demeaning as any prison anywhere. I worked 20 years in a state prison and today on the radio I heard Angela Davis speak on the prison industrial complex that is alive and self perpetuating in America. She is such an eloquent speaker I wish she was running for president! To sum up very briefly about how the prison population is out of step with the crime index in this country. As crime drops prison population rises. How can this be? Easy, as soon as a black man gets a case and is released he is prime suspect for another arrest and blacks go to prison much out of proportion to whites! Prisons are also homophobic in that our prisons are made for women or men based on the genitalia and not the sexual orientation of an individual. Is it any wonder that transexuals and gays are abused and gang raped in all male prisons? Or in a women's prison, the lesbian is often sought out by the queen bee and sold to the other inmates as meat. Our prison system is a disaster and even that is being privitized in places. We are a prison nation, make no misstake about that fact!
I've been reading about that; really creepy - it's all biznezz and profits.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
A friend of mine has done a lot of work exposing the abuses in Florida. I can't remember the name of the organization she belongs to, but I'll ask her tomorrow. Thanks for posting this, robin. I always thought it obvious that these orders came from well within the administration, but corroboration never hurts.
“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac
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'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Here's it's face, ... or ass, not sure.
And look at what Sands was asking him about. Unreal. Gen. Tommy Franks was right about Feith.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Needed - a new Amendment to the Constitution. A person cannot serve in any high level administration, congressional or USSC position if he or she has dual citizenship. Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, in his former role as a private-sector attorney, helped move technology transfers as a lawyer for Loral Space & Communications Ltd., one of the two U.S. companies (the other one being Hughes Electronics Corp.) that contributed to the dramatic improvement of Chinese space-launch and satellite capabilities after large contributions to Clinton Democrats. When contacted by Insight, Feith’s office would not address the technology-transfer issue." CLINTONISTAS BLOCKED ISRAELI TECH AID TO BEIJING; GWB LOOKS THE OTHER WAY "Fisher, who is editor of the Jamestown Foundation’s fortnightly China Brief, also gives credit where one wouldn’t expect it. ‘For all of its actions that aided the transfer of dual-use technologies that helped PLA [People’s Liberation Army] modernization, the Clinton administration did endure a political storm to stop Israel’s sale of the advanced PHALCON aerial radar to the PLA. The Bush administration has said little to nothing about Israel’s more recent sale of communication satellites to the PRC, which definitely will be used by the PLA, or about the much more serious threat of Russian weapons and military-technology sales to the PRC.’ …"
Way overdue. Feith is in TelAviv most of the time.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Well, you can't fix stupid.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
When Feith talks about "assholes," he needs to look in the mirror. The Vanity Fair article apparently consists of extracts from Sands's forthcoming book, Torture Team: Rumsfeld's Memo and the Betrayal of American Values . I have read, and recommend, Sands's earlier book, Lawless World: America and the Making and Breaking of Global Rules--From FDR's Atlantic Charter to George W. Bush's Illegal War. People that have the contempt for international law that the Bush team exhibits are almost certainly going to end up committing war crimes, as the Bush team has, and thereby depriving themselves of any moral right to call other people "assholes."
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
When it's just a domestic prison, it's only a matter of violating U.S. law. It's not the business of other countries. When the U.S. violates international law the way it is doing in places like Guantanamo, that becomes the business of the rest of the world.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Guantanamo torture sessions....
#2. To: DrStrange (#1)
Our prison system is a disaster and even that is being privitized in places.
#3. To: robin, DrStrange (#2)
#4. To: Red Jones, Brian S, aristeides, iconoclast, Elliott Jackalope, Arator, Cynicom, vast rightwing conspiracy (#0)
#5. To: robin (#0)
Feith tells Sands, “The problem with moral authority” was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.”
#6. To: nobody (#5)
When Sands asks Feith whether he was at all concerned that the Geneva decision might have diminished America’s moral authority, Feith tells Sands, “The problem with moral authority” was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.”
#7. To: nobody (#5)
#8. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#7)
A person cannot serve in any high level administration, congressional or USSC position if he or she has dual citizenship.
#9. To: people that should know better (#8)
The problem with moral authority” was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.”
#10. To: robin (#0)
Feith tells Sands, “The problem with moral authority” was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.”
#11. To: DrStrange (#1)
Guantanamo is just the tip of the iceberg in Prison management world wide.
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