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Title: The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
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Published: Apr 4, 2008
Author: Acharya
Post Date: 2008-04-04 04:45:14 by Zoroaster
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The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ Part 1 by Acharya S Was Jesus a man, myth or God? The answers may surprise you. Introduction Around the world over the centuries, much has been written about religion, its meaning, its relevance and contribution to humanity. In the West particularly, sizable tomes have been composed speculating upon the nature and historical background of the main character of Western religions, Jesus Christ. Many have tried to dig into the precious few clues as to Jesus's identity and come up with a biographical sketch that either bolsters faith or reveals a more human side of this godman to which we can all relate. Obviously, considering the time and energy spent on them, the subjects of Christianity and its legendary founder are very important to the Western mind and culture. The Controversy Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there is a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area. Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed. Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores1, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures2. Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers3. History and Positions of the Debate This controversy has existed from the very beginning, and the writings of the "Church Fathers" themselves reveal that they were constantly forced by the pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics")4 alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history. As Rev. Robert Taylor says, "And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied."5 Emperor Julian, who, coming after the reign of the fanatical and murderous "good Christian" Constantine, returned rights to pagan worshippers, stated, "If anyone should wish to know the truth with respect to you Christians, he will find your impiety to be made up partly of the Jewish audacity, and partly of the indifference and confusion of the Gentiles, and that you have put together not the best, but the worst characteristics of them both."6 According to these learned dissenters, the New Testament could rightly be called, "Gospel Fictions."7 A century ago, mythicist Albert Churchward said, "The canonical gospels can be shown to be a collection of sayings from the Egyptian Mythos and Eschatology."8 In Forgery in Christianity, Joseph Wheless states, "The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."9 Those who concocted some of the hundreds of "alternative" gospels and epistles that were being kicked about during the first several centuries C.E. have even admitted that they had forged the documents.10 Forgery during the first centuries of the Church's existence was admittedly rampant, so common in fact that a new phrase was coined to describe it: "pious fraud."11 Such prevarication is confessed to repeatedly in the Catholic Encyclopedia.12 Some of the "great" church fathers, such as Eusebius13, were determined by their own peers to be unbelievable liars who regularly wrote their own fictions of what "the Lord" said and did during "his" alleged sojourn upon the earth.14 The Proof The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy." The Gnostics From their own admissions, the early Christians were incessantly under criticism by scholars of great repute who were impugned as "heathens" by their Christian adversaries. This group included many Gnostics, who strenuously objected to the carnalization of their deity, as the Christians can be shown to have taken many of the characteristics of their god and godman from the Gnostics, meaning "Ones who know," a loose designation applied to members of a variety of esoteric schools and brotherhoods. The refutations of the Christians against the Gnostics reveal that the Christian godman was an insult to the Gnostics, who held that their god could never take human form.16 Page 1 of 6 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | Next: Biblical Sources >> For more information, please see: The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled. The Historical Jesus? The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: No Proof of Jesus Moon Mary: Queen of Heaven Born of a Virgin on December 25th Easter: Christian or Pagan? Astrotheology of the Ancients Krishna Born of a Virgin? Krishna Crucified? Osiris The Lord: Out of Egypt Life of Buddha Introduction to Suns of God "Suns of God" Review Dr. Robert Price's "Suns of God" Review Jesus in India? Beddru is Beddou is Buddha Mithra/Mithras: The Pagan Christ The Myth of Noah's Ark Jesus God Man or Myth Debunking the Christ Myth Origins of Christianity, Part 1 Origins of Christianity, Part 2 Origins of Christianity, Part 3 Origins of Christianity, Part 4 Origins of Christianity, Part 5 Origins of Christianity, Part 6 The Christ Conspiracy Articles
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#1. To: Zoroaster (#0)
The most amazing thing is that despite the perpetual attacks upon Jesus' existence ... he maintains his lofty position in the hearts and minds of people without agendas such as has been exhibited by priests throughout history. The most difficult thing to completely understand are the prophecies that are either truly prophetic or being utilized as a blueprint ... and should the blueprint scenario be the one ... then a plan initiated 6000 years ago has been carefully carried out by an elect few ... and that is a "conspiracy". If it's the other way around and truly prophetic ... that's a "miracle". Either way ... it's fascinating.
Guns don't kill people ... Governments do
Thomas Jefferson had some fascinating ideas concerning Christ. If you have the time, check it out on Google--Thomas Jefferson + Bible.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Articles like this always make me smile. The Gospels are astonishingly accurate in their portrayals of mob psychology, corrupt leaders, the eternal relations between the rich and poor, between subjects and the State, and scapegoating and human sacrifice. Either they are true and accurate portrayals of what happened, or else they are the four greatest works of fiction ever penned. Considering how poorly they are written, from a literary standpoint (they're more like reporting than anything else), I conclude the authors are reporting what happened, not making it up.
"Man is rather stupid than wicked." - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Jefferson had more honesty in his little finger than most self-proclaimed men of God, for example John Hagee. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to name just a few. Religion is a creation of man, not God. It's based on the power of myth. A prefect God does not play favorites.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Glass houses. To disown these works by self-described Christians is to cast them out like stones upon the heads of the rest of humanity.
Just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so. Wide is the way which leads to death and narrow is the way to life.
Yes religion is man made. I agree with that. But the Bible isn't a religion. It is a message from God that man is free to accept or reject. And there are consequences even if you don't believe so.
Similarly, just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it true. Actually, if it's in the Bible, it's probably false. Indeed, the overwhelmingly fraudulent intrinsic quality of the Bible itself is what foments fraud and attracts more frauds to it. The Bible is a complete fraud/victim magnet, it's a proven conspiracy, a coddled delusion. The Bible is a curse on those who won't join the conspiracy, and so you want to suggest that not following it means death. It's all just too disgusting, as its manifest fraudulence makes it a curse on any truths it incorporates.
Agreed.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
You make good points.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. What you said is not true. The Bible is totally accurate. That is why it has withstood the test of time. It has worn out many anvils. If I may ask. What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?
Thank you both. Thank you much.
The Bible starts with a lie and practically nevers slows down. If you won't admit it, then you're better off ignoring me and that's how I'd prefer you behave.
Most welcome Friend.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
You are very welcome.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Like I said, the Bible attracts frauds who adopt it because it's a tolerated fraud. .... and of course it's a tolerated fraud because it serves the elite. The elite beat it into your ancestors' hides and skulls. So there you have it: The Bible is corruption serving the corrupt. Now you can't say you weren't told.
"God is dead." ~ Nietzche "Nietzche is dead." ~ God
I agree that the Bible is used by the corrupt for evil purposes, but I believe there is also alot of truth and wisdom to be found in it. I don't believe that God wrote it. That's absurd. God doesn't write books. People do.
The ark story is truly retarded.
You are so specific. not You are like others you criticise but can never give specifics. lame
Your comment is very ignorant. How the hell do you think the fossil record was created. The flood. No other even on earth could create the fossil record that we have. Millions of dead things buried in mud laid down by water all over the earth. Even in the frickin desert and highest mountains. Explain that away "einstein".
Pope Leo was a cryptoJew, part of the ongoing antiChrist plot: "DEATH OF THE PHOENIX FINAL ACT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ACT III. THE DAWN OF AQUARIUS SCENE I. The Holy Roman Empire Enter Giovanni de Medici as Pope Leo X, also Merovingians William St. Clair and Mary de Guise In the early 16th century, Pope Leo X, formerly Giovanni de Medici of the Jewish House of Medici, bankrupted the Vatican with an extravagant remodeling program. To make up the deficit, Leo launched an empire-wide campaign for the selling of indulgences. This particular papal abuse was the final straw that triggered the Protestant Reformation... which may have been the plan from the start: “In one fell swoop, the Christian world was cleft in twain. No longer would Rome be able to raise great armies from its subject nations to crush heresies wherever the Papal finger pointed. There was no longer just one big boy on the block. Another had moved in. The mightiest church the world had ever known had been ‘divided’ and ‘conquered’.” (Rosslyn Chapel Revisited) By means of covert operations, the Merovingian dynasty has always managed to keep their opposition divided and ineffective. William St. Clair and Mary de Guise, who lived during the Reformation period, apparently knew this little secret and, as high-born Merovingian Jews, were skilled in deploying their agents provocateurs: “But the Reformed Church would not be allowed to remain squeaky clean. The life of Mary’s grandson, James VI, the first masonic* king of both Scotland and England, would be threatened by a plot hatched by ‘witches’ on Halloween, 1590. The celebrated but trumped-up case of the ‘North Berwick Witches’ kick-started over a century of Scottish witch hunts, and proved that your average Presbyterian could be just as vindictive as your average Catholic when it came to fighting Satan's minions. While an equilibrium had been established between the two great Christian powers, neither can yet lay claim to being the saintliest, and each still has that heavy cross of guilt to bear. Another perfect doublecross, perhaps?” (Ibid.) *We note here that Merovingian authors include King James among the Masonic conspirators when it suits their purposes. In reality they were bitter enemies of King James due to his prosecution of the Druids who were a criminal element in Scotland. To get a true reading on the Christian character of King James, and his abhorrence of the witchcraft of the Merovingians, one has only to read his book, The Daemonologie......." http://maranatha-amen.com/dawn-aquarius.html "....This is what sparked the Reformation. The Pope desperately needed money to build St. Peter's in Rome. Forgiveness of sins was offered for a price —murder, adultery, lying, theft, swearing etc., etc. You could even buy forgiveness for future sins. . . . Salvation was bought and sold like any common marketplace commodity. That the Gift of God could be treated so contemptuously was the last straw for Luther. Handwriting on the door. Oct. 31, 1517. Pope Leo X Pope Leo X. (1513 - 1521). Leo thundered at Saint Martin and ordered him to appear at Rome with 60 days!! The Burning of Babylon commences!! Roman Emperor Leo X., roared at Luther and sent him a Bull of Excommunication ordering him to appear at Rome within 60 days to recant . . . or face a fiery death. Flames consume the Papal Bull of Excommunication. Luther ignored this Papal thunder and on Dec. 10, 1520, outside the gates of Wittenberg, he burnt the Papal Bull;, the Decretals of Clement VI., the Summa Angelica, the Chrysposus of Dr. Eck etc., etc. By this brave act Luther formally excommunicated the Pope. Since that fateful day, the fire of God's wrath has never ceased to consume Babylon the Great...... http://www.reformation.org/luther.html CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Pope Leo X Pope Leo X. (GIOVANNI DE MEDICI). Born at Florence, 11 December, 1475; died at Rome, 1 December, 1521, was the second son of Lorenzo the Magnificent ... http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09162a.htm "...."Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history -- and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these houses. Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice, November 25, 1953)...." 1001 Quotes By and About Jews MYSTERY BABYLON 3 MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? PART III. THE MEDICI ... Medici (1535-1605) was Pope Leo XI and Giovanni de Medici, Pope Leo X (1513-1521). ... http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon-3.html The Gnostics From their own admissions, the early Christians were incessantly under criticism by scholars of great repute who were impugned as "heathens" by their Christian adversaries. This group included many Gnostics, who strenuously objected to the carnalization of their deity, as the Christians can be shown to have taken many of the characteristics of their god and godman from the Gnostics, meaning "Ones who know," a loose designation applied to members of a variety of esoteric schools and brotherhoods. The refutations of the Christians against the Gnostics reveal that the Christian godman was an insult to the Gnostics, who held that their god could never take human form.16 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come *** in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of ***** antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and *** even now already is it in the world. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. "THE REFORMATION: ROSICRUCIAN CONNECTIONS Today we hear frequent exhortations coming from Fundamental and Evangelical leaders that the Church needs a "new Reformation," or a second or third Reformation....... ".... * ESOTERIC CHRISTIANITY * Christians have been led to believe that the "one world religion" will eradicate Christianity, rather than transform it. * FICTION: The one world religion will exclude evangelical Christianity. “The most likely scenario in the years following this Parliament (of World Religions) will be the gradual formation of a 'World Council of Religion' which will function in a way similar to that of the present World Council of Churches or the United Nations. Despite their differences, this league of religions will be most united in three particular areas: “1. To foster the view that all religions (in which they mistakenly include Christianity) share the same God and are one in their ultimate ambitions. 2. To create permanent world peace and justice through cooperation with a similarly-confederated form of world government (e.g., the United Nations). 3. To propagate the concept that biblical, evangelical Christianity is a hindrance to 'evolutionary' progress and spiritual growth on this planet." (Alan Morrison, The Serpent & the Cross, K. & M. Books, 1994, 1999, Chapter 12.) * FACT: The "one world religion" will be a Gnostic form of Christianity. “Is Christianity to survive as the religion of the West? Is it to live through the centuries of the future, and to continue to play a part in moulding the thought of the evolving western races? If it is to live, it must regain the knowledge it has lost, and again have its mystic and its occult teachings; it must again stand forth as an authoritative teacher of spiritual verities, clothed with the only authority worth anything, the authority of knowledge. If these teachings be regained, their influence will soon be seen in wider and deeper views of truth; dogmas, which now seem like mere shells and fetters, shall again be seen to partial presentments of fundamental realities. First, Esoteric Christianity will reappear in the ‘Holy Place’, in the Temple so that all who are capable of receiving it may follow its lines of published thought; and secondly, Occult Christianity will again descend into the adytum, dwelling behind the veil which guards the ‘Holy of Holies’, into which only the Initiate may enter…” (Annie Besant, Esoteric Christianity, pp. 26-7)......" http://www.angelfire.com/journal...o-prayer/reformation.html great....all you who don't want Christ to rule over you....this is what you will get if you get your way: Scepter of Judah and Thesis Statements [Agenda for World War, Destruction of Christian America; and Jewish Supremacy] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75182 good job.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
It's one thing to doubt a persons existence, because of what His believers say. You can say that they have an agenda. It's quite another thing when you consider what His enemies had to say. His enemies make great witnesses.
------They may look intimidating, by design, but they aren't bulletproof. -------
How the hell do you think the fossil record was created. The flood. While a fucking pile of moronic pitbull dogshit. Circular reasoning eschews plate tectonics. Too funny.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe those like falwell, robertson and many of the others work for somebody/something south of the border. Their goal is to drive you away from believing?
Here's a link you may find interesting. The title of the page is "Fraud in the Bible: Or, it sucks that you don't know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic."
#2. To: noone222 (#1)
#3. To: Zoroaster, noone222 (#2)
Thomas Jefferson had some fascinating ideas concerning Christ. If you have the time, check it out on Google--Thomas Jefferson + Bible.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#4. To: Zoroaster (#0)
#5. To: Zoroaster (#0)
#6. To: Old Friend (#5)
#7. To: Old Friend (#5)
They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
#8. To: nobody (#7)
#9. To: Zoroaster (#6)
#10. To: Old Friend (#8)
(Edited)
Just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so.
#11. To: Old Friend (#9)
Yes religion is man made. I agree with that. But the Bible isn't a religion. It is a message from God that man is free to accept or reject. And there are consequences even if you don't believe so.
#12. To: Old Friend (#9)
Yes religion is man made. I agree with that. But the Bible isn't a religion. It is a message from God that man is free to accept or reject. And there are consequences even if you don't believe so.
Lord Acton
#13. To: nobody (#10)
Similarly, just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it true.
#14. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#12)
#15. To: Old Friend (#13)
(Edited)
What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?
#16. To: Old Friend (#14)
Thank you both. Thank you much.
#17. To: Old Friend (#14)
Thank you both. Thank you much.
Lord Acton
#18. To: Old Friend (#13)
(Edited)
#19. To: Old Friend (#5)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#20. To: nobody, Old Friend (#18)
The Bible is corruption serving the corrupt.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#21. To: wudidiz (#20)
#22. To: nobody (#15)
The Bible starts with a lie and practically nevers slows down.
#23. To: nobody (#21)
The ark story is truly retarded.
#24. To: Zoroaster (#0)
The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy."
#25. To: Zoroaster (#6)
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#26. To: Old Friend (#23)
(Edited)
Your comment is very ignorant.
#27. To: Zoroaster (#6)
#28. To: Old Friend (#13)
If I may ask. What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#29. To: Old Friend (#22)
Due to the lies, putting wisdom into the Bible was a bit like putting food into a latrine pit, unfortunately.
#30. To: nobody (#29)
You offer no substance whatsoever. Just blather. I guess that is what I would expect from a nobody.
#31. To: Elliott Jackalope (#28)
I am not going to go sort your laundry. But if you have a comment from your little list. Please post it here. I might even have the wisdom to set you straight on your confusion. But maybe not. Give it a toss.
#32. To: Old Friend (#31)
The missing question in this debate is which Bible are we talking about? The most often quoted and pushed by the Christian right is the "Scofield Reference Bible "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible Understanding this helps explain the various myths such as Jews are Gods chosen people and groups like Christians United For Israel and John Hagee Pat Robertson etc As stated before Jefferson wrote "The Life and Morals of Jesus" he like many questioned faith and to better understand the moral teachings of Jesus he paid no attention to the birth of Jesus or the book of Revelations .....smart man!
#33. To: robnoel (#32)
I like the King James version. I don't like the NIV because it has flaws in it. The Scofield is also not very good in my opinion. But the Bible makes it clear that the Jews are the chosen people of God. That just means that he chose them to reveal his word to. Then he said that the whole world would be blessed because of them. Saying that the Jews are not the chosen people is not what Gods word teaches. Jesus even said that he came first for the Jew then the Gentile. Nice to meet you Rob.
#34. To: Old Friend (#33)
God did not write the Bible, Jews did. It was written by Jews, for Jews.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
#35. To: Old Friend (#33)
Although the reference in the bible you site is correct the true test of chosenness is how humble you are to suggest that as Jews they are somehow closer to G-d than all other nations smacks of arrogance and elitism this is the position of the likes of John Hagee in the support of Israel yet if one takes the end times philosophy to its ultimate conclusion G-d's chosen will have accept Christ and reject Judism or spend the rest of time in purgatory....needless to say Hagee does never address this small problem....nice to meet you as well :-)
#36. To: Old Friend (#33)
But the Bible makes it clear that the Jews are the chosen people of God. That just means that he chose them to reveal his word to. Then he said that the whole world would be blessed because of them. Saying that the Jews are not the chosen people is not what Gods word teaches. Jesus even said that he came first for the Jew then the Gentile. my KJV disagrees with yours.....the promises given to the so-called Jews were transferred to the Christian believers [we were grafted in with the OT FAITHFUL, and the harlot branches were cut off]. When you see a prophecy given for "Israel" that has not been fulfilled, think "church". Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: [It's mate: Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. [not servants, but "friends", like Father Abraham, who BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Abraham was a FRIEND OF GOD.] Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. (And what did He say to the Fig Tree in Jerusalem, symbol of Judaism: LET NO FRUIT GROW ON THEE HENCEFORTH FOREVER) ] Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; [ I AM the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me.] ] and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes...... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#15 [There are TWO Israels in Isaiah 65...one cursed and one blessed. One chosen, and one not.] 1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Pe/2/9.html 1Pe 2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed...... Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. Rom 9:30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom009.html#8 Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Gal 3:10 ¶ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Gal 3:15 ¶ Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to ***** thy seed, which is Christ. Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. [You might want to take a look at Genesis 15:13-14 here, the promise that was given prior to the Israelites going into Israel, where they spent 430 years to the day, only about 160 of them being afflicted.] Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise. Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one. Gal 3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [so long, Noahide Laws] Gal 3:26 ¶ For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. *******Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html To top it off: Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/9.html Who's a Jew? Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom002.html#29 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/2/29.html To believe the Jews are the chosen people when they crucify Christ and His people today, is to believe in : Jewish Fables: Tts 1:14 — Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do]. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Tts/Tts001.html#14 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Tts/1/14.html The Leaven of the Pharisees: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/16/6.html [Note Ezodus 12:15-19 well.... It is to deny Christ: 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. It is to play into the hands of the British-Israel Jews who have so twisted the Word of God to say that Jesus came and died so that the Synagogue of Satan could rule the world. Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed. I think maybe they are running out of legs to stand on in their dash to rule the world through lies and murder and robbery...so now they want to deny that Jesus was ever born....and that is NOT the mark of a CHOSEN PEOPLE; it is the MARK of ANTICHRIST: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Jo/1Jo004.html#3 / www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Jo/4/3.html
I like the King James version.....
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
#37. To: robnoel (#35)
I can agree with that. Except for the purgatory part. Purgatory isn't in the Bible. It is a catholic perversion. That is my opinion.
if one takes the end times philosophy to its ultimate conclusion G-d's chosen will have accept Christ and reject Judism or spend the rest of time in purgatory....
#38. To: Zoroaster (#34)
So moses and Abraham were Jews? What about Jesus was he one too? Physically yes men did write it. But the Bible claims they were inspired by God. I believe the Bible is correct in its claim. Man couldn't have written a perfect book like the Bible. You of course are free to disagree with me on that point. But one thing I find interesting is that the Bible has withstood the test of time and has spread over all the earth. On the other hand zoroasterism is obsucre and virtually unknown and has not spread over the earth.
God did not write the Bible, Jews did. It was written by Jews, for Jews.
#39. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)
I don't think our Bibles disagree. I think one of us is right and one is wrong. Or maybe we are both wrong. I believe that I am correct. I of course could be wrong im no where close to perfect. I don't know the exact chapter but I think it is in revelation. It talks about all of israel being saved. Do you have a knowledge or opinion of that verse?
my KJV disagrees with yours.....the promises given to the so-called Jews were transferred to the Christian believers [we were grafted in with the OT FAITHFUL, and the harlot branches were cut off]. When you see a prophecy given for "Israel" that has not been fulfilled, think "church".
#40. To: Old Friend (#39)
I think you should try and use the Jefferson example which is where I am coming from ...... Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative. This presentation of The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions: one edition uses a revised King James Version of the biblical texts, corrected in accordance with the findings of modern scholarship; the second edition uses the original unrevised KJV. The actual verses of the Bible used for both editions are those chosen by Jefferson. Visitors should find the revised KJV text much easier to read and understand. Those seeking the precise English version Mr. Jefferson used when making his compilation can click on "Unrevised KJV text."
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