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Title: The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
Source: Truth Be Known
URL Source: http://truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
Published: Apr 4, 2008
Author: Acharya
Post Date: 2008-04-04 04:45:14 by Zoroaster
Keywords: None
Views: 802
Comments: 48

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ Part 1 by Acharya S

Was Jesus a man, myth or God? The answers may surprise you.

Introduction Around the world over the centuries, much has been written about religion, its meaning, its relevance and contribution to humanity. In the West particularly, sizable tomes have been composed speculating upon the nature and historical background of the main character of Western religions, Jesus Christ. Many have tried to dig into the precious few clues as to Jesus's identity and come up with a biographical sketch that either bolsters faith or reveals a more human side of this godman to which we can all relate. Obviously, considering the time and energy spent on them, the subjects of Christianity and its legendary founder are very important to the Western mind and culture.

The Controversy Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there is a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area. Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.

Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores1, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures2. Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers3.

History and Positions of the Debate This controversy has existed from the very beginning, and the writings of the "Church Fathers" themselves reveal that they were constantly forced by the pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics")4 alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history. As Rev. Robert Taylor says, "And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied."5 Emperor Julian, who, coming after the reign of the fanatical and murderous "good Christian" Constantine, returned rights to pagan worshippers, stated, "If anyone should wish to know the truth with respect to you Christians, he will find your impiety to be made up partly of the Jewish audacity, and partly of the indifference and confusion of the Gentiles, and that you have put together not the best, but the worst characteristics of them both."6 According to these learned dissenters, the New Testament could rightly be called, "Gospel Fictions."7

A century ago, mythicist Albert Churchward said, "The canonical gospels can be shown to be a collection of sayings from the Egyptian Mythos and Eschatology."8 In Forgery in Christianity, Joseph Wheless states, "The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."9 Those who concocted some of the hundreds of "alternative" gospels and epistles that were being kicked about during the first several centuries C.E. have even admitted that they had forged the documents.10 Forgery during the first centuries of the Church's existence was admittedly rampant, so common in fact that a new phrase was coined to describe it: "pious fraud."11 Such prevarication is confessed to repeatedly in the Catholic Encyclopedia.12 Some of the "great" church fathers, such as Eusebius13, were determined by their own peers to be unbelievable liars who regularly wrote their own fictions of what "the Lord" said and did during "his" alleged sojourn upon the earth.14

The Proof The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy."

The Gnostics From their own admissions, the early Christians were incessantly under criticism by scholars of great repute who were impugned as "heathens" by their Christian adversaries. This group included many Gnostics, who strenuously objected to the carnalization of their deity, as the Christians can be shown to have taken many of the characteristics of their god and godman from the Gnostics, meaning "Ones who know," a loose designation applied to members of a variety of esoteric schools and brotherhoods. The refutations of the Christians against the Gnostics reveal that the Christian godman was an insult to the Gnostics, who held that their god could never take human form.16

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For more information, please see: The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled.

The Historical Jesus? The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: No Proof of Jesus Moon Mary: Queen of Heaven Born of a Virgin on December 25th Easter: Christian or Pagan? Astrotheology of the Ancients Krishna Born of a Virgin? Krishna Crucified? Osiris The Lord: Out of Egypt Life of Buddha Introduction to Suns of God "Suns of God" Review Dr. Robert Price's "Suns of God" Review Jesus in India? Beddru is Beddou is Buddha Mithra/Mithras: The Pagan Christ The Myth of Noah's Ark Jesus God Man or Myth Debunking the Christ Myth Origins of Christianity, Part 1 Origins of Christianity, Part 2 Origins of Christianity, Part 3 Origins of Christianity, Part 4 Origins of Christianity, Part 5 Origins of Christianity, Part 6 The Christ Conspiracy Articles

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#5. To: Zoroaster (#0)

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-04   8:40:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#5)

They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Glass houses. To disown these works by self-described Christians is to cast them out like stones upon the heads of the rest of humanity.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-04   13:04:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nobody (#7)

Just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so. Wide is the way which leads to death and narrow is the way to life.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-04   19:45:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Old Friend (#8) (Edited)

Just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so.

Similarly, just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it true.

Actually, if it's in the Bible, it's probably false.

Indeed, the overwhelmingly fraudulent intrinsic quality of the Bible itself is what foments fraud and attracts more frauds to it. The Bible is a complete fraud/victim magnet, it's a proven conspiracy, a coddled delusion. The Bible is a curse on those who won't join the conspiracy, and so you want to suggest that not following it means death.

It's all just too disgusting, as its manifest fraudulence makes it a curse on any truths it incorporates.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-04   19:56:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nobody (#10)

Similarly, just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it true.

What you said is not true. The Bible is totally accurate. That is why it has withstood the test of time. It has worn out many anvils.

If I may ask. What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-04   21:08:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Old Friend (#13)

If I may ask. What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?

Here's a link you may find interesting. The title of the page is "Fraud in the Bible: Or, it sucks that you don't know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic."

www.hiddenmysteries.or g/r...stianity/piousfraud.shtml

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-04-06   0:54:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Elliott Jackalope (#28)

I am not going to go sort your laundry. But if you have a comment from your little list. Please post it here. I might even have the wisdom to set you straight on your confusion. But maybe not. Give it a toss.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-06   9:42:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Old Friend (#31)

The missing question in this debate is which Bible are we talking about? The most often quoted and pushed by the Christian right is the "Scofield Reference Bible "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible

Understanding this helps explain the various myths such as Jews are Gods chosen people and groups like Christians United For Israel and John Hagee Pat Robertson etc

As stated before Jefferson wrote "The Life and Morals of Jesus" he like many questioned faith and to better understand the moral teachings of Jesus he paid no attention to the birth of Jesus or the book of Revelations .....smart man!

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   9:58:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: robnoel (#32)

I like the King James version. I don't like the NIV because it has flaws in it. The Scofield is also not very good in my opinion.

But the Bible makes it clear that the Jews are the chosen people of God. That just means that he chose them to reveal his word to. Then he said that the whole world would be blessed because of them. Saying that the Jews are not the chosen people is not what Gods word teaches. Jesus even said that he came first for the Jew then the Gentile.

Nice to meet you Rob.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-06   13:36:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Old Friend (#33)

I like the King James version.....

But the Bible makes it clear that the Jews are the chosen people of God. That just means that he chose them to reveal his word to. Then he said that the whole world would be blessed because of them. Saying that the Jews are not the chosen people is not what Gods word teaches. Jesus even said that he came first for the Jew then the Gentile.

my KJV disagrees with yours.....the promises given to the so-called Jews were transferred to the Christian believers [we were grafted in with the OT FAITHFUL, and the harlot branches were cut off]. When you see a prophecy given for "Israel" that has not been fulfilled, think "church".

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

[It's mate: Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. [not servants, but "friends", like Father Abraham, who BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Abraham was a FRIEND OF GOD.]

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. (And what did He say to the Fig Tree in Jerusalem, symbol of Judaism: LET NO FRUIT GROW ON THEE HENCEFORTH FOREVER) ]

Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; [ I AM the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me.] ] and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#15

[There are TWO Israels in Isaiah 65...one cursed and one blessed. One chosen, and one not.]

1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Pe/2/9.html

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed......

Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Rom 9:30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom009.html#8

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:10 ¶ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:15 ¶ Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to ***** thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

[You might want to take a look at Genesis 15:13-14 here, the promise that was given prior to the Israelites going into Israel, where they spent 430 years to the day, only about 160 of them being afflicted.]

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [so long, Noahide Laws]

Gal 3:26 ¶ For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

*******Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html

To top it off:

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/9.html

Who's a Jew?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom002.html#29 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/2/29.html

To believe the Jews are the chosen people when they crucify Christ and His people today, is to believe in :

Jewish Fables:

Tts 1:14 — Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Tts/Tts001.html#14 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Tts/1/14.html

The Leaven of the Pharisees:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/16/6.html [Note Ezodus 12:15-19 well....

It is to deny Christ:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

It is to play into the hands of the British-Israel Jews who have so twisted the Word of God to say that Jesus came and died so that the Synagogue of Satan could rule the world.

Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.

I think maybe they are running out of legs to stand on in their dash to rule the world through lies and murder and robbery...so now they want to deny that Jesus was ever born....and that is NOT the mark of a CHOSEN PEOPLE; it is the MARK of ANTICHRIST:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Jo/1Jo004.html#3 / www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Jo/4/3.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-06   19:06:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)

my KJV disagrees with yours.....the promises given to the so-called Jews were transferred to the Christian believers [we were grafted in with the OT FAITHFUL, and the harlot branches were cut off]. When you see a prophecy given for "Israel" that has not been fulfilled, think "church".

I don't think our Bibles disagree. I think one of us is right and one is wrong. Or maybe we are both wrong. I believe that I am correct. I of course could be wrong im no where close to perfect.

I don't know the exact chapter but I think it is in revelation. It talks about all of israel being saved. Do you have a knowledge or opinion of that verse?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-06   19:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Old Friend (#39)

I think you should try and use the Jefferson example which is where I am coming from ......

Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative.

This presentation of The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions: one edition uses a revised King James Version of the biblical texts, corrected in accordance with the findings of modern scholarship; the second edition uses the original unrevised KJV. The actual verses of the Bible used for both editions are those chosen by Jefferson. Visitors should find the revised KJV text much easier to read and understand. Those seeking the precise English version Mr. Jefferson used when making his compilation can click on "Unrevised KJV text."

www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   19:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: robnoel (#40)

I think I will just go with what Jesus said. That he is the ONLY WAY to God. I sincerely believe that.

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