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Title: The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
Source: Truth Be Known
URL Source: http://truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
Published: Apr 4, 2008
Author: Acharya
Post Date: 2008-04-04 04:45:14 by Zoroaster
Keywords: None
Views: 824
Comments: 48

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ Part 1 by Acharya S

Was Jesus a man, myth or God? The answers may surprise you.

Introduction Around the world over the centuries, much has been written about religion, its meaning, its relevance and contribution to humanity. In the West particularly, sizable tomes have been composed speculating upon the nature and historical background of the main character of Western religions, Jesus Christ. Many have tried to dig into the precious few clues as to Jesus's identity and come up with a biographical sketch that either bolsters faith or reveals a more human side of this godman to which we can all relate. Obviously, considering the time and energy spent on them, the subjects of Christianity and its legendary founder are very important to the Western mind and culture.

The Controversy Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there is a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area. Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.

Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores1, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures2. Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers3.

History and Positions of the Debate This controversy has existed from the very beginning, and the writings of the "Church Fathers" themselves reveal that they were constantly forced by the pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics")4 alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history. As Rev. Robert Taylor says, "And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied."5 Emperor Julian, who, coming after the reign of the fanatical and murderous "good Christian" Constantine, returned rights to pagan worshippers, stated, "If anyone should wish to know the truth with respect to you Christians, he will find your impiety to be made up partly of the Jewish audacity, and partly of the indifference and confusion of the Gentiles, and that you have put together not the best, but the worst characteristics of them both."6 According to these learned dissenters, the New Testament could rightly be called, "Gospel Fictions."7

A century ago, mythicist Albert Churchward said, "The canonical gospels can be shown to be a collection of sayings from the Egyptian Mythos and Eschatology."8 In Forgery in Christianity, Joseph Wheless states, "The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."9 Those who concocted some of the hundreds of "alternative" gospels and epistles that were being kicked about during the first several centuries C.E. have even admitted that they had forged the documents.10 Forgery during the first centuries of the Church's existence was admittedly rampant, so common in fact that a new phrase was coined to describe it: "pious fraud."11 Such prevarication is confessed to repeatedly in the Catholic Encyclopedia.12 Some of the "great" church fathers, such as Eusebius13, were determined by their own peers to be unbelievable liars who regularly wrote their own fictions of what "the Lord" said and did during "his" alleged sojourn upon the earth.14

The Proof The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy."

The Gnostics From their own admissions, the early Christians were incessantly under criticism by scholars of great repute who were impugned as "heathens" by their Christian adversaries. This group included many Gnostics, who strenuously objected to the carnalization of their deity, as the Christians can be shown to have taken many of the characteristics of their god and godman from the Gnostics, meaning "Ones who know," a loose designation applied to members of a variety of esoteric schools and brotherhoods. The refutations of the Christians against the Gnostics reveal that the Christian godman was an insult to the Gnostics, who held that their god could never take human form.16

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For more information, please see: The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled.

The Historical Jesus? The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: No Proof of Jesus Moon Mary: Queen of Heaven Born of a Virgin on December 25th Easter: Christian or Pagan? Astrotheology of the Ancients Krishna Born of a Virgin? Krishna Crucified? Osiris The Lord: Out of Egypt Life of Buddha Introduction to Suns of God "Suns of God" Review Dr. Robert Price's "Suns of God" Review Jesus in India? Beddru is Beddou is Buddha Mithra/Mithras: The Pagan Christ The Myth of Noah's Ark Jesus God Man or Myth Debunking the Christ Myth Origins of Christianity, Part 1 Origins of Christianity, Part 2 Origins of Christianity, Part 3 Origins of Christianity, Part 4 Origins of Christianity, Part 5 Origins of Christianity, Part 6 The Christ Conspiracy Articles

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#5. To: Zoroaster (#0)

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-04   8:40:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#5)

They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Glass houses. To disown these works by self-described Christians is to cast them out like stones upon the heads of the rest of humanity.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-04   13:04:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nobody (#7)

Just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so. Wide is the way which leads to death and narrow is the way to life.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-04   19:45:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Old Friend (#8) (Edited)

Just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so.

Similarly, just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it true.

Actually, if it's in the Bible, it's probably false.

Indeed, the overwhelmingly fraudulent intrinsic quality of the Bible itself is what foments fraud and attracts more frauds to it. The Bible is a complete fraud/victim magnet, it's a proven conspiracy, a coddled delusion. The Bible is a curse on those who won't join the conspiracy, and so you want to suggest that not following it means death.

It's all just too disgusting, as its manifest fraudulence makes it a curse on any truths it incorporates.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-04   19:56:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nobody (#10)

Similarly, just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it true.

What you said is not true. The Bible is totally accurate. That is why it has withstood the test of time. It has worn out many anvils.

If I may ask. What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-04   21:08:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Old Friend (#13)

If I may ask. What do you perceive to be in the Bible that is not true?

Here's a link you may find interesting. The title of the page is "Fraud in the Bible: Or, it sucks that you don't know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic."

www.hiddenmysteries.or g/r...stianity/piousfraud.shtml

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-04-06   0:54:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Elliott Jackalope (#28)

I am not going to go sort your laundry. But if you have a comment from your little list. Please post it here. I might even have the wisdom to set you straight on your confusion. But maybe not. Give it a toss.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-06   9:42:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Old Friend (#31)

The missing question in this debate is which Bible are we talking about? The most often quoted and pushed by the Christian right is the "Scofield Reference Bible "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible

Understanding this helps explain the various myths such as Jews are Gods chosen people and groups like Christians United For Israel and John Hagee Pat Robertson etc

As stated before Jefferson wrote "The Life and Morals of Jesus" he like many questioned faith and to better understand the moral teachings of Jesus he paid no attention to the birth of Jesus or the book of Revelations .....smart man!

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   9:58:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: robnoel (#32)

I like the King James version. I don't like the NIV because it has flaws in it. The Scofield is also not very good in my opinion.

But the Bible makes it clear that the Jews are the chosen people of God. That just means that he chose them to reveal his word to. Then he said that the whole world would be blessed because of them. Saying that the Jews are not the chosen people is not what Gods word teaches. Jesus even said that he came first for the Jew then the Gentile.

Nice to meet you Rob.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-06   13:36:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Old Friend (#33)

I like the King James version.....

But the Bible makes it clear that the Jews are the chosen people of God. That just means that he chose them to reveal his word to. Then he said that the whole world would be blessed because of them. Saying that the Jews are not the chosen people is not what Gods word teaches. Jesus even said that he came first for the Jew then the Gentile.

my KJV disagrees with yours.....the promises given to the so-called Jews were transferred to the Christian believers [we were grafted in with the OT FAITHFUL, and the harlot branches were cut off]. When you see a prophecy given for "Israel" that has not been fulfilled, think "church".

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

[It's mate: Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. [not servants, but "friends", like Father Abraham, who BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Abraham was a FRIEND OF GOD.]

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. (And what did He say to the Fig Tree in Jerusalem, symbol of Judaism: LET NO FRUIT GROW ON THEE HENCEFORTH FOREVER) ]

Isa 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; [ I AM the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me.] ] and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#15

[There are TWO Israels in Isaiah 65...one cursed and one blessed. One chosen, and one not.]

1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Pe/2/9.html

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed......

Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Rom 9:30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom009.html#8

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:10 ¶ For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:15 ¶ Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to ***** thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

[You might want to take a look at Genesis 15:13-14 here, the promise that was given prior to the Israelites going into Israel, where they spent 430 years to the day, only about 160 of them being afflicted.]

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [so long, Noahide Laws]

Gal 3:26 ¶ For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

*******Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html

To top it off:

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/9.html

Who's a Jew?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom002.html#29 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rom/2/29.html

To believe the Jews are the chosen people when they crucify Christ and His people today, is to believe in :

Jewish Fables:

Tts 1:14 — Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Tts/Tts001.html#14 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Tts/1/14.html

The Leaven of the Pharisees:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/16/6.html [Note Ezodus 12:15-19 well....

It is to deny Christ:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

It is to play into the hands of the British-Israel Jews who have so twisted the Word of God to say that Jesus came and died so that the Synagogue of Satan could rule the world.

Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.

I think maybe they are running out of legs to stand on in their dash to rule the world through lies and murder and robbery...so now they want to deny that Jesus was ever born....and that is NOT the mark of a CHOSEN PEOPLE; it is the MARK of ANTICHRIST:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Jo/1Jo004.html#3 / www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Jo/4/3.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-06   19:06:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)

my KJV disagrees with yours.....the promises given to the so-called Jews were transferred to the Christian believers [we were grafted in with the OT FAITHFUL, and the harlot branches were cut off]. When you see a prophecy given for "Israel" that has not been fulfilled, think "church".

I don't think our Bibles disagree. I think one of us is right and one is wrong. Or maybe we are both wrong. I believe that I am correct. I of course could be wrong im no where close to perfect.

I don't know the exact chapter but I think it is in revelation. It talks about all of israel being saved. Do you have a knowledge or opinion of that verse?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-06   19:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Old Friend (#39)

Rom 11:26 — And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion [Zion? they are not the same] the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

[...shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob who was renamed ISRAEL, turn ungodliness away from those who BELIEVE in the Deliverer, Jesus Christ...who turns away ungodliness by taking our sin on his back IF WE BELIEVE HIM. (see Isaiah 53:10-12....HIS righteousness Justifies Many...v 10...he will see HIS SEED....and IF YOU ARE CHRIST'S, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED: those who BELIEVE....See Acts 8....the Black Ethiopian understood this and HE BECAME JESUS' SEED THROUGH HIS BELIEF THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD....the Ethiopian joined the family of God and became a part of ISRAEL. Why do you suppose this chapter Isaiah 53 is not spoken in the synagogues? Probably because it agrees with everything Paul wrote about the Gentiles...(those stupid goyim, beasts, cattle, chattel)....becoming the true Israel and the true CHOSEN PEOPLE.]

Again:

Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed......

My opinion is that all Israel will be saved, but as the Scripture says....Not all who are OF Israael, ARE Israel....only people of faith in Jesus Christ are the Israel of God (including those of the OT, of course, who loved God and obeyed Him, and as Isaiah 9:6 says, Jesus IS the God of the OT). Israel today are those who have put on the robes of righteousness that are found only in His shop...remember the wedding party and someone came in without a wedding garment...He was thrown out because he wasn't wearing a 'robe of righteousness' WASHED 'in the blood of the Lamb'.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, [note: ONLY] a remnant shall be saved:

[Is that not true as well? How many Jews do you know who have turned to Christ? As Paul said, Since you believe yourselves to be unworthy of salvation, WE TURN TO THE GENTILES.]

Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodom, and been made like unto Gomorrha. [note: left them a seed...A REMNANT as above...otherwise they would have been like Sodom and Gomorrha...WIPED OUT COMPLETELY...but He saved a Faithful REMNANT.]

Rom 9:30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Jesus Christ is the King of Israel...Is He the king of people who say His mother was a whore, and He was a false prophet who is burning in hell in excrement, and MAY HIS NAME BE BLOTTED OUT AND FORGOTTEN? That people who worship Him are idolators and must be decapitated? I don't think so, so those people who cling to that grotesque, satanic blasphemy are NOT Israel, and most certainly NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE of the KING of Israel.

John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming WHEN ANYONE WHO KILLS YOU WILL THINK HE IS OFFERING A SERVICE TO GOD 3 THEY WILL DO SUCH THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN THE FATHER OR ME.

If they don't know Jesus OR God, how in the world can they be 'chosen'. What were they chosen FOR? To teach the nations about God....if they did not know Him how in the world could they TEACH Him? God promised a NEW COVENANT....Jesus is IT. All those in Jesus are the new chosen...the fruit who remain FOREVER....the unbelieving Jews are the BAD FRUIT WHICH ARE CUT OFF.

Please go back and read the scriptures in my previous post.....God told them they would leave THEIR NAME [they may be Khazars, but they themselves call themselves JEWS] for A CURSE [think about that for a moment...has that been fulfilled or not?]...and that He would call His servants by another name...they are called "friends" by Jesus, like ABRAHAM, OUR FATHER (Galatians 3:29), and CHRISTIANS after Christ (Christ's whole family in heaven and earth is named after Him: Ephesians 3:14-15)

Some people teach a universal salvation. That's a nice thought, but I'm not sure at this point I would agree it....I would tend to NOT agree with it unless there is something I am missing. Why would Christ go through what He went through if that were the case? I know I wouldn't want to risk eternity on something that is not a sure thing, and in fact sounds to me very iffy if not impossible.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: [NOTE: again, WHO IS RIGHTEOUS? THE ONES WEARING THE ROBES WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB] and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [for He looked down from Heaven and saw there were NONE righteous, no NOT ONE....without a Savior, Jesus Christ]

Rev 22:12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[Read Ezekiel 34...God says He, EVEN HE, will come and search for the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND TAKE THEM TO THEIR OWN LAND, which is the New Israel/New Jerusalem, which I have pointed out again and again is Christian America, where the Daughter of Jerusalem (faithful Israel, which is now the church) dwells with the daughter of Babylon [the WHORE OF JERUSALEM was the unfaithful city which was supposed to be God's wife, and became a whore...see Ezekiel 8; and Ezek. 16.....the rabbis today are promoting their Pharisee religion]. What did Jesus say? I have not come BUT FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Read John 10...He IS THE DOOR to THE SHEEPFOLD...His sheep ARE THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM....He tells the Pharisees....You do not believe me, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP. Modern Judaism is a continuation of the RELIGION OF THE PHARISEES. Jesus called them THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN who He would bring to worship before the feet of the Christians. HOW CAN THEY BE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE?]

Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev022.html#11

Ye are of your father, the devil...he was a murderer from the beginning and when he speaks of a lie he speaks of his own, for he is the father of lies....paraphrased....ring a bell? what's changed?

I wonder if you have spent a lot of time in a "Judeo-Christian" church which has been waylaid by wolves entered in unawares, as Jesus warned would happen. Read THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. The Jews took over the Seminaries, where this false gospel of the Jews as the chosen people is preached ad nauseum today, which has allowed them to take over the world and rule it in a most demonic way.

Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free....If the Son hath made you free, ye shall be free indeed.

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excerpt from samliquidation re "the rapture" and "Daniel's 70 weeks" [I don't agree with all his interpretations, but this caught my eye]:

"....Cast into the lake of fire with the False Christ and his False Prophet, all who worship after the beast and they too rejected Jesus the Messiah, as has already been determined since the foundation of the world. All whose names are not written in the Book of the Lamb, slain since the foundation of the world.

What Rapture I ask?

A Rapture so that all of the scripture only will be for the Jews who even rejected it? And a scripture that the Jews do not need Jesus for salvation "Secret Rapture"? lured into the snare of satan for they Stood not FIRM but fear they attempted to enter into the wedding without white robes

If you have fallen for this lie, I ask you to pray for righteousness. I ask that you hungereth and thirsteth after it with all of your soul before you have been deceived by the Whore of Babylon.

What if it takes exactly three score and two weeks to complete the building and cleansing of the new Temple unto the Messiah?

The seventy weeks were finished November 18 2004, the Sanhedrin was "REvived Oct. 14 2004. The seventy men, the ancients the same hasidic Pharisees who crucified Jesus are Back and they hate the Holy Covenant, and Today Jan 12, 2005 they anounced they are about to coronate and "REVEAL" their king who is no KING for The King of Kings is the Christ Jesus. Very soon now they will begin their building. They already say that their Moshiach is in a cave in Tiberius waiting to be "REVEALED" has he been in that cave since November 2004?

What if the seventy weeks are actually literal and while the whole world and Christians who have been taught by the Whore of Satan is busy watching the smoke in the distant horizon the fire is burning at their feet but they have yet seen it?......"

http://www.samliquidation.com/daniel's_70.htm

Christians will be 'raptured' all right, probably right to the waiting concentration camps built for them by the synagogue of satan, at which time the synagogue of satan will rule the world [or that's their plan, anyway....i don't think it's going to happen that way].

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The Leaven of the Pharisees:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/16/6.html [Note Ezodus 12:15-19 well....

I meant to add a comment there, but forgot, and something came up and I didn't have time to go back.

We are to purge out the old leaven....what IF this passover coming up, Jesus came and we were worshipping the antiChrist.....word to the wise.....

http://www.reformation.org/happy-resurrection-day.html

April 29, (19, by the Gregorian calendar)....401 years in the land that is not ours (yet....Genesis 15:13-14/The US Is Still A British Colony Extorting Taxes for The Crown / The Ultimate Delusion by Stephen Ames/Galatians 3:16-29]

41 stripes [I disagree with a LOT of things here as well, but found this theory interesting]:

"....If Ephraim was to receive 400 years blessing, then we should look to the date Joseph's descendents began to colonize on the soil of the new world. Jamestown, the first permanent settlement by the English, was founded in May 1607. Add the 400 years, but keep in mind the fully complete rules. It follows the birthdate/anniversary method in which whatever follows the period of blessing will not happen until the 400 is complete, i.e. not before the 401st stripe. The 401st stripe falls in May 2008, just shy of the June 2008 expiration date for the sign of the Fig Tree....." http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2008/steveb223.htm

note: Jamestown is not when and where they planted the cross and dedicated this country to Jesus Christ and the spreading of the gospel: Micah 4.

The Blood Moon Eclipse, The Middle East, And End Time Events [Signs in the Sky?] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75014

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Biblical Astronomy

...a voice crying in the heavens

"And God said let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and days, and years:"

GENESIS 1:14

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handy work. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."

PSALM 19:1-3

http://www.atlbible.org/astronomy.htm

"....Mankind walks beneath the most glorious record of deliverance each night, and yet most are totally unaware of this magnificent story written in the stars above. The study of the stars, and more specifically the study of the constellations and what they are saying to us, is not typically taught from the church pulpit today. Some even consider the discussion of such a subject tantamount to witchcraft. The fact that the Lord has warned us in the Old Testament not to worship the stars, and by so doing break the first commandment, has kept many from looking to the story that God has written in the heavens.

The word of God does, in fact, warn us about soothsayers, fortune tellers and other black arts. Lucifer and his army of followers have always attempted to lure mankind into a worship of devils. If the destroyer of men's souls can deceive a person into looking to anything other than the true God, he has achieved his goal. Satan will take what God created for beauty and good, and twist, pervert, confuse and cover it, to try to turn man's heart to the worship of the creation, rather than the Creator, Who deserves glory and honor forever!

Most of today's common knowledge of the constellations, even among renowned astronomers and so called astrologers, is totally devoid of the awesome spectacle of love and redemption which God has recorded in the heavens through the ancient zodiac. In fact, the word zodiac comes from the ancient word Zoa, which means "the path" or "the way." How wondrous is God's love that moved Him to record His word in the heavens, so that all could see.

If God made the stars, and they are for "signs" (Gen. 1:14), it is logical to ask, "What are the signs He is talking about?" The wise men (magi) from the east who visited the young child Jesus must have been very assured of the signs that they read in the heavens. They were convinced enough of the star they observed in the east to travel a great distance by camel. These wise men were priests from the country where Daniel and the children of Israel had been led captive. Their culture was schooled in the study of the stars. Daniel was made chief and master over all the wise men and astrologers of Babylon (Daniel 2:48 and 5:11). Daniel could have identified to these priests the promise of the coming Messiah to be born of the tribe of Judah, and out of the house of David.

God had promised a redeemer for fallen man. He first wrote His promise in pictures in the heavens. These pictures told the story in great detail. The promised redeemer, the Messiah, the desired of all nations, the coming branch, would be born of a virgin. Satan would bruise his heel, but the redeemer would crush Satan's head (Genesis 3:15). This is the story the constellations give us!

The mission of Biblical Astronomy is to study and research signs in the heavens that are relevant to Biblical prophecy and make the research available for others to study and consider. In the next few years, there are many rare celestial events which clearly portray the "Great Tribulation" written of in the Holy Scriptures. If the events written of in the prophecies concerning the end times from the Holy Scriptures, particularly "Jacob's Trouble", unfold at this time, remains to be seen. Though earthly events seem to be heading rapidly in that direction."

http://www.atlbible.org/astronomy/astronomy1.htm

I'm not sure I believe in the "Great Tribulation"....the early church was in tribulation, but I just ran across this site last night, and found it interesting in light of some of the other things I have been running across recently. I am looking [or hoping, at any rate] for deliverance....401 years of affliction seems plenty to me, especially considering the Israelites were only afflicted about 160. Then again, it goes without saying, i am not God, and He will do what He will do when He wants to do it. Still......

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