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Title: What Obama Could Have Said About His Pastor Rev. Wright, a True Patriot
Source: Counterpunch
URL Source: http://www.counterpunch.org/korb04052008.html
Published: Apr 6, 2008
Author: Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss
Post Date: 2008-04-06 07:01:57 by Zoroaster
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What Obama Could Have Said About His Pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a True Patriot By LAWRENCE KORB and IAN MOSS

In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.

While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.

Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America's biggest cities.__This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.

Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him. We've seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright's many sermons. Some of the Wright's comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling This him "unpatriotic," let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.

How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many. While words do count, so do actions. Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.

Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.

This piece ran in the Chicago Tribune on April 3, 2008.

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#24. To: buckeye (#21)

:))) 'diagnosed'????

So you believe that you're a doctor. That's okay. It's not as bad as believing that you are Napoleon (the pig in the Animal Farm) or, worse, Lincoln, the neighbor's pet piggy.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-06   11:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: robnoel (#22)

It's amazing to see so many people succumbing to the idea that there is some sort of hope for a decent outcome in this Presidential election with a controlled media, legal conditions stacked against change, and the Bushes in power.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-06   11:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)

LOL

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-06   11:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeye (#19)

The Rothchilds more so than the British have controlled the mineral wealth in Africa for the past century

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: robnoel (#27)

That has not changed regardless of any "democratic" revolutions, has it?

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-06   11:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: The Thread (#28)

Humor break -

David Letterman's Top 10 reasons why there are no black NASCAR drivers:

#10 - Have to sit upright while driving.

#9 - Pistol won't stay under front seat.

#8 - Engine noise drowns out the rap music.

#7 - Pit crew can't work on car while holding up pants at the same time.

#6 - They keep trying to carjack Dale Earnhardt Jr.

#5 - Police cars on track interfere with race.

#4 - No passenger seat for the Ho.

#3 - No Cadillac's approved for competition.

#2 - When they crash their cars, they bail out & run.

AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON WHY BLACKS CAN'T BE IN NASCAR...

#1 -They can't wear their helmets sideways.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-06   11:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lodwick (#29)

#7 should have been #1. It's very funny.

I didn't get #10 and #9.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-06   11:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: aristeides (#23)

For Obama to win he will have to embrace Israel which will inflame the folks who subscribe to the "black liberation theology" he will be seen and called a "Uncle Tom" push comes to shove although Americans maybe ready for a women president they will choke when it comes to pulling the lever for a black one

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeye (#28)

Nope....old saying he who owns the gold makes the rules

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: robnoel (#31) (Edited)

He's already done that. His trek to Israel is done, and his homage to AIPAC is complete.

Text of Obama's AIPAC speech in 07.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-06   11:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: robnoel (#31)

although Americans maybe ready for a women president they will choke when it comes to pulling the lever for a black one

If, as I suspect, Obama gets the nomination, we will get to see whether or not you are right.

Since, as you say, Hillary is as much for perpetual war as McCain, I don't see why Americans shouldn't be given the chance of voting for a candidate who seems to be against it.

Political realities probably do dictate that Obama will be making pro-Israel statements during the campaign, as you say, but it is possible to believe that, in making those statements, he's only paying lip service to political realities. I see no reason to believe Hillary and McCain do not wholeheartedly believe in supporting Israel down the line, even including Israeli aggression.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeye (#33)

Obama's speech to AIPAC, to which you link, is dated March 2, 2007.

Obama's statement calling for negotiating with Iran was made at the end of October 2007.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: aristeides (#35)

Your point?

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-06   11:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)

Although people of different races can co-exist forced integration and affirmative action policies always causes tensions and in fact does the exact opposite of what it attempts to do America will only become a colour blind nation when the government stops asking me which box to fill in

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeye (#36) (Edited)

My point is that, despite that speech to AIPAC, Obama, unlike the other candidates, has the courage to call for something -- negotiating with Iran -- that the other candidates are deadset against, and that the Israeli lobby vociferously opposes.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: aristeides (#34)

Have you read this by Shelby Steele like Obama has a white mother

The Identity Card By SHELBY STEELE www.time.com/time/magazin...le/0,9171,1689619,00.html

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: robnoel (#37)

America can not become 'a color-blind' nation for a number of reasons, the main one being that 'America' is not and can not become 'a nation'. Of course, color-blindness is not desirable. People have ways of self-segregating themselves and that's a reality - or there wouldn't be homo bars or 'black' record labels.

However, for as long as 'America' stays together as a state, one needs to do his best to minimize the bad that any state inflicts on the populace. I reject the claims that 'America' needs 'a woman' or 'a Black' in the White House. However, given the quality of the 'woman' (so to speak) and the 'White' currently in the running, 'the Black' gets the job by default. I happen to believe that he happens to be a reasonably decent guy, for a black and for a human in general but that's not as important as preventing Hillary and McCain from getting the job.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-06   11:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: robnoel (#39)

I take it you're suggesting a President Obama will pursue the agenda of black identity politics. For all I know, that may be correct.

Even if it is, that would be a far lesser evil than a continuation of the Bush/Cheney/neocon/McCain/Hillary policy of perpetual war. That way lies national suicide.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#40)

reasonably decent guy, for a black

Yes and he does not talk like a brother I get that but lets not kid ourselves the Jewish Lobby together with the giant military industrial complex get to decide who will win

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: aristeides (#41)

That's the way they're all going, one way or another. The sooner we all recognize that the sooner we can go about waking up our country.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-06   11:32:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: aristeides (#41)

That way lies national suicide.

Better prepare for it

Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism By ALEX WILLIAMS

THE traditional face of survivalism is that of a shaggy loner in camouflage, holed up in a cabin in the wilderness and surrounded by cases of canned goods and ammunition.

It is not that of Barton M. Biggs, the former chief global strategist at Morgan Stanley. Yet in Mr. Biggs’s new book, “Wealth, War and Wisdom,” he says people should “assume the possibility of a breakdown of the civilized infrastructure.”

www.nytimes.com/2008/04/0...ewanted=print&oref=slogin

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:34:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: robnoel (#42)

the Jewish Lobby together with the giant military industrial complex get to decide who will win

There's plenty of evidence that they don't like Obama.

Isn't that reason to support him?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: robnoel (#44)

That way lies national suicide.

Better prepare for it

Perhaps.

But wouldn't it be better to prevent it?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: aristeides (#41)

I take it you're suggesting a President Obama will pursue the agenda of black identity politics. For all I know, that may be correct.

That may actually be a good thing, as working class blacks are hurt most by illegal immigration.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-06   11:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: aristeides (#46)

"They" who ever they are want it to happen nothing happens in a vacuum the world as we know it changed in March when Bear Sterns went down a giant transfer of wealth is currently taking place even if Obama were to win he can't stop this beast

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Dakmar (#47) (Edited)

The only real hope we have and its a long shot is McCain breaks down and has a senior moment on national TV prior to the Republican Convention forcing the party to go with Ron Paul let me add that if the economy goes into a death spiral between now and September Ron Paul has a even greater chance

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: robnoel (#49) (Edited)

LOL - so Obama can't get the WH job unless 'they' let him but, somehow, Ron Paul just might take it as the official GOP 'lady in waiting'. Oh, and that is called 'real hope'.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-06   11:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: robnoel (#49) (Edited)

McCain has gone berzerk hundreds of times, it doesn't seem to matter to his constituency, they'll just shrug it off and point to his service to in Vietnam.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-06   11:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#50)

Do you really still think the "people" decide who becomes President?

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: robnoel (#52)

How do you think FDR became president? How do you think JFK became president?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-06   11:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Dakmar (#51)

His constituency consists of a very small group of delusional so called conservatives in his own state less than 48% of Republicans support him when the truth about his Nam record gets wider attention that support will fade even more

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   11:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: robnoel (#54)

I hope so too, but his voting block doesn't seem to get out much, except to cash their SS checks and vote.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-06   12:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: aristeides (#53)

JFK is a easy one the Mafia as for FDR the father of socialism the usual suspects got him in

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-06   12:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: robnoel (#52)

Do you really still think the "people" decide who becomes President?

In a '2-party system'? It's the parties who put forward a nominee and, then, 'the people' get to pick on of the 2, strikingly similar 'choices'. In the end, like the saloon's owner's wife in 'The Blues Brothers' said, we got BOTH kinds of music here: Country AND Western.

In today's cycle, we already know who is going to represent 'Western' - a senile madman. On the 'Country' side, we got Billy's ultra-feminist and somewhat mental wife and some semi-black guy who came from nowhere but looks and acts halfway decent.

Of the 3, I'll pick 'halfway decent' any time. So, now, 'the people' generally don't decide makes it to the finals but, in this instance, there is a chance that someone not completely destructive might make it. Then, if he does, the people do get to pick one of the 2 and they might pick the right one if they don't act stupid, like they did in 2004 when they re-elected Bush.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-06   12:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: christine (#7)

This is the posting I meant. I consider it a complaint. It is at least an admonition.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-07   12:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: aristeides (#58)

The people attacking Rev. Wright and Obama on this forum have little, if anything, to say in the way of criticism of the Bush/Cheney/McCain/neocon policy of aggression in the Middle East.

i'm sorry that you perceived it as a complaint or admonition. sincerely, that was not my intent. i was merely disagreeing with your statement above. i don't know of anyone here on 4um who is not against bush/cheney/mcCain and the neocons. that is one thing i believe we are all still united on.

christine  posted on  2008-04-07   12:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Aristedes, christine (#7)

Aristedes - virtually everyone here is against the war, the aggression in the ME by the US, against Bush/Cheney/McCain/neocons. we've blogged for years in opposition to them and so we don't show our opposition constantly. Perhaps people on this forum tend to also distrust the democrats.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-07   12:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

Oh really? How's that? Can you provide some example of 'highly racist' statements?

Open your ears up dude. Take the wax out and listen.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-08   10:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: aristeides (#4)

The people attacking Rev. Wright and Obama on this forum have little, if anything, to say in the way of criticism of the Bush/Cheney/McCain/neocon policy of aggression in the Middle East.

WTH?

What happened to this forum? Is this the forum that donated to Ron Paul's campaign effort or not? What the heck has happened?

Ron Paul certainly in no way would support Obama, so why the heck do you?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-08   10:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: RickyJ, FOH (#62)

When FOH first appeared on this forum a few months ago, he started attacking me for no apparent reason. This was right after he had shown up from LP, a site I had been banned from several months before that for postings critical of Israel's conduct in its recent war in Lebanon. He was eventually forced to admit that he was attacking me for something I had not said, not for anything I had said. But, in the course of my defending myself against his attack, I asked him if he agreed with Goldi-Lox on Israel. He said he didn't care about that issue, nor have I seen him object to neocon war policies or Israeli conduct since then.

And the same goes for a number of posters who agree with his recent attacks on "Commies" including myself.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: RickyJ (#61)

Oh really? How's that? Can you provide some example of 'highly racist' statements?

Open your ears up dude. Take the wax out and listen.

Alright so you got nothing.

All you can do is scream, emote and do the virtual equivalent of getting yourself red in the face and spitting while screaming.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-08   10:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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