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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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#85. To: christine (#19)
would it be wrong to pray for that Only if, as events unfold, it doesn't shake your faith.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
here's one of the many articles that were posted last week that you missed. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=77477&Disp=40#C40 note Obama's reference to 911
This tactic by guilt laden whites has been adopted from the black radical handbook. For now they're useful idiots.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
Thank you. Many people here refuse to look beyond Iraq, at what is unfolding before their eyes, much larger affairs are in the works by this government and it has 'not a damned thing to do with party politics". I can only conclude, it's about perceived freebies. As our abilities to fund the government are eliminated, we sit with a $9T debt, the entitlement Titanic pointed straight at us, and never ending wars are declared, one wonders, how are we going to pay for it? If such needs for free healthcare is the largest concern, then I suggest they utilize the mechanism in place, enlist and see how they like the care there.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
There's only one poster I've seen that said, I'm voting for O because he's black. And he has made it clear why. Honesty is refreshing.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I wonder if by changing Obama to McCain in the above statement, it will dawn on the O'philes that he's just more of the same?
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
90% of that 99% would have voted for whomever the Democrats nominated, Get over it, Mr Duke.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Ah....ari my boy......the Catholic vote that went to JFK was the traditional Democrat vote, as most Catholics then, and now, remain Ds and political clueless. Nice try, tho.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
I know of whom you speak, and yes it's refreshing, but, that same poster would say nasty things about a white who did the same. That would be an example of the reverse racism he refuses to acknowledge.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
Can't wait to see how amused you are when the white plutocrap depression comes down.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
The black vote that Obama will get is also traditionally Democratic, as most blacks then, and now, remain Ds. Thank you for making my point for me. There's no difference between how Catholics then voted for JFK, and how blacks today support Obama.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Translation please.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
Geeeeeze. Does anyone know when we fell down the rabbit hole?
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Sure there is a difference. Black Ds were Clintonites until a fellow black came into the mix. See? To them it's all about race, my fine diversity-loving friend.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
It's so silly to talk about guilt. If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain. There is no guilt involved, just fear and anger of the CABAL currently led by the Bush Regime. You may have noticed, the ZioNazis don't like Obama. Why? If he is just like McCain, why don't they like Obama? Did you see the thread last night? T-shirts made in Israel that say "Who killed Obama?" Like Buchanan said, "McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi". I don't know where this nonsense about guilt originated.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
It began w/socialism and has since wormed its way into the marrow of the white progressive. I wish I could drink their Kool Aid but reality always gets in my way.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
I see.. Same here.. Maybe their Koo "The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
For reasons I don't understand you've chosen to ignore countless articles detailing O's foreign policy as one that is closely aligned with the other two candidates. Obama's redeployment is to other ME nations and his adoption of the recommendations in the Iraqi Study Group, and the endorsement of it's co-chair Lee Hamilton, sounds like an endorsement of Obama as a custodian of continued homeland security (see Hamilton's 911 investigation). So, given this, some white guilt is a reasonable assumption for me at least.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
They think (and maybe rightfully so) that they have us over a barrel. If a dem wins, they inherit and get blamed for the mess in addition to obeying their masters. If McWar wins, the neocons will be even more emboldened to act on their "mandate."
"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson
He didn't mean it.
"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson
I assume you're talking about national ZioNazis, and nobody associated w/the forum?
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
Good tagline. Clearly he's supporting McCain.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does. He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all. So you take a politician at his word during campaign season? Me, not so much. If you don't take him at his word, how did you conclude he would be less of a disaster than the other 2? Was it is voting record? I am seriously trying to understand how some have come to this conclusion. Maybe it's just a 'feeling'... please elaborate!
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Those of us who have shucked off their party affiliations are more politically evolved than you are. Until you're able to liberate yourself from that coating you choose to wear, you will remain a political neophyte. Other than that closed mindset, you're OK.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
I agree. Insane doesn't have the support. He's too close to the current Bush admin who's approval ratings are in the toilet. He openly wants more war when it's extremely unpopular. And the economy will continue to tank between now and November and he'll have no answers to campaign with.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
They are such die hard party stalwarts that they will vote Clinton in Nov. regardless of whom she drags along as VP. As a write in or is Clinton going 3rd party? Clinton's history and she knows it, but doesn't want to face the truth yet.
They are polling Cain vs Obama and Obama hasn't even secured the D nomination yet. Once he does (and he will) his credibility will go up and his poll numbers will go up with it.
First, its not a concept it's a fact, and his son Mark is also an advisor, and yes it's very scary. Second, to follow along here, you say critics lapped up a movie and it was accepted by MOST Americans. I don't know that that's true, and I haven't seen the movie myself to agree or disagree... but you are suggesting that most Americans then embrace whatever it was in the movie, and that's good enough to keep on doing the same? How does this connect with Obama's policy? I liked the Godfather movies, but didn't conclude that it was okay embrace the criminal empire.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
WASHINGTON - The United States must add at least 7,000 troops in Afghanistan, double foreign aid spending to $50 billion, and be prepared to strike unilaterally against terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois said yesterday in a major speech laying out his counterterrorism plan. ************ Byline: Margaret Talev WASHINGTON _ Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday that if he were president and had good intelligence about top terrorists in Pakistan, he'd send U.S. troops to hunt them down if Pakistan's government wouldn't do it. Seeking to establish his foreign-policy credentials a week after Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., accused him of being naive for being willing to talk with the leaders of hostile nations without preconditions, the first-term Illinois senator gave a comprehensive speech on fighting global terrorism before the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington. Obama called for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq and redeploying at least two more brigades to Afghanistan, along with $1 billion in additional nonmilitary aid. He reiterated a willingness to talk with leaders from nations such as Iran, Syria and North Korea: "The lesson of the Bush years is that not talking does not work. Go down the list of countries we've ignored and see how successful that strategy has been." But his controversial words about Pakistan _ where Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida has been regrouping, according to the latest National Intelligence Estimate _ drew the most attention. Obama said he'd make hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional on President Pervez Musharraf moving to shutter terrorism training camps, preventing terrorists from hiding in his country and stopping the Taliban from running back and forth across the border to attack in Afghanistan. "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama said. "But let me make this clear: There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. ... If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will." ********** OELWEIN, Iowa - The U.S. should shift troops from Iraq to pursue al- Qaida along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Saturday. He said President Bush's war-fighting policies have left the United States at greater risk from terrorists. The first-term Illinois senator said decisions by the Republican president had allowed Osama bin Laden and his deputies to elude capture. "We cannot win a war against the terrorists if we're on the wrong battlefield," Obama said. "America must urgently begin deploying from Iraq and take the fight more effectively to the enemy's home by destroying al- Qaida's leadership along the Afghan-Pakistan border, eliminating their command and control networks and disrupting their funding." Obama spoke during his 15th trip to Iowa, where precinct caucuses set for January begin the presidential nominating process. He opened his day with a rally on the shores of a lake in Oelwein before his later stops. The senator focused on the threat of terrorism just days after a new U.S. intelligence assessment warned that al-Qaida has succeeded in rebuilding its strength. "What I would say is that as a consequence of bad decisions we are more at risk and less safe than we should have been at this point, given all the resources we have spent and the U.S. lives that have been lost," Obama said. Obama contended the Bush administration erred by choosing to fight in Iraq rather than concentrating on Afghanistan, where he said al-Qaida has rebuilt itself. "They have entirely regrouped along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border," Obama said. "The threat of terrorism has actually increased and we've seen a massive spike in terrorist activity, in part because we did not finish the job in Afghanistan and were distracted by a war of choice in Iraq." I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
Frankly, I'm surprised to hear this kool-aid nonsense coming out of your mouth, as well as the "lesser of evils, weevils ..etc" coming from others. IMO, Obama is head and shoulders above the other two in intellect, decency and background ... not to mention his inclination to promote bi-partisanship in congress and harmony amongst the citizenry as opposed to the hate-filled divisiveness which is the legacy of two decades of hate-radio and anonymous web chatter.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Uhhhhh..... no, not at all, seeing how the net gain in lives saved would go up dramatically.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Wow, thanks for the fact filled post. I'm sure cleared up the confusion we're having with his past and present statements.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
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#86. To: ghostdogtxn (#57)
#87. To: Peppa (#72)
Any discussion of Obama's statements or votes appears to be offensive. Such scrutiny is racist.
#88. To: Cynicom (#84)
As usual you did you homework and this quote is correct.
#89. To: Cynicom (#21)
They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
This tactic by guilt laden whites has been adopted from the black radical handbook. For now they're useful idiots.
#91. To: All (#86)
Obama, McCain, albeit using slightly different terms, agrees: "To defeat al Qaeda, I will build a twenty-first-century military and twenty-first-century partnerships as strong as the anticommunist alliance that won the Cold War to stay on the offense everywhere from Djibouti to Kandahar." - Sen Obama,McCain June 4, 2007
#92. To: Cynicom (#32)
And how opaque are the blacks that will 99 per cent vote for Obama because he is black..
#93. To: aristeides (#89)
I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960
#94. To: Peppa (#90)
There's only one poster I've seen that said, I'm voting for O because he's black. And he has made it clear why. Honesty is refreshing.
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
White liberals have always provided me with an endless source of amusement.
#96. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
......the Catholic vote that went to JFK was the traditional Democrat vote, as most Catholics then, and now, remain Ds
#97. To: iconoclast (#95)
Can't wait to see how amused you are when the white plutocrap depression comes down.
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
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I know of whom you speak, and yes it's refreshing, but, that same poster would say nasty things about a white who did the same. That would be an example of the reverse racism he refuses to acknowledge.
#99. To: aristeides (#96)
Thank you for making my point for me. There's no difference between how Catholics then voted for JFK, and how blacks today support Obama.
#100. To: aristeides, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#89)
I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?
Israeli designs 'Who killed Barack Obama?' T-shirts
#101. To: Peppa (#98)
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
It began w/socialism and has since wormed its way into the marrow of the white progressive. I wish I could drink their Kool Aid but reality always gets in my way.
kl Aid is spiked?
#103. To: robin (#100)
It's so silly to talk about guilt. If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.
#104. To: robin (#100)
If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.
#105. To: christine (#86)
note Obama's reference to 911
#106. To: robin (#100)
#107. To: Jethro Tull (#106)
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
#108. To: Cynicom (#67)
#109. To: angle (#70)
#110. To: angle (#74)
#111. To: Cynicom (#84)
#112. To: ghostdogtxn (#110)
This has nothing to do with whether he'd make a good president or not. I think he'll be a poor president at best, but less of a disaster than the other 2 options.
#113. To: ghostdogtxn (#108)
I've never said I wasn't Democrat leaning. Never. I've been very open about my party affiliation, both former and present.
#114. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)
I think Obama wins this election decisively.
#115. To: christine (#86)
#116. To: Cynicom (#9)
#117. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
It's a tie, and except for CBS/NYT, the leads of either side are within the MOE. As the election nears, I suspect Obama's numbers will rise against McCain, although that is by no means certain.
#118. To: ghostdogtxn (#111)
Zbig as Obama's foreign policy adviser is a scary concept, but look how the critics lapped up "Charlie Wilson's War". That was an unapologetic ode to Zbigniew Breszinski's policies that would have made Monica Lewinski blush from under the table, and yet it was accepted non critically by most Americans.
#119. To: ghostdogtxn (#48)
As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does.
Obama stakes turf, outlines counterterrorism plan - Would add troops in Afghanistan, double foreign aid
Obama says he'd send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists.
Obama: Shift Troops to Fight al-Qaida
#120. To: angle (#70)
Frankly, I'm shocked to see you drinking the kool-aid.
#121. To: Peppa (#112)
#122. To: Jethro Tull (#113)
#123. To: christine (#19)
Cancer may get him first. Enter RP
would it be wrong to pray for that?
#124. To: Pinguinite (#114)
#125. To: iconoclast (#120)
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