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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I doubt Obama is electable in the fall, but I KNOW Hillary isn't.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-07   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   9:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

I didn't get the impression there was a big surge for Obama when I was in the southeast part of the state around Easter. It was non-stop MSM politics. People are sick of it.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   9:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: angle (#10)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

I think there's a lot of misunderestimation going on about Obama.

Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:18:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ghostdogtxn (#20) (Edited)

There may not be enough guilt laden whites out there, but how many bloodthirsty warmongers are left?

Plenty in both so called "parties".

We received next to zilch support here for Ron Paul, the only non war monger, but all of a sudden the Obama chorus is loud and clear. Very odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

Geeze. You make me sad, Cyni. You really do.

ghost...

You raised the "war mongering" issue.

Paul was the only man that would have ended the war, yet 4um gave next to zero support. Now all of a sudden we justify supporting Obama because he is not a warmonger????

Yet openly he says we need to move more troops into Afghanistan. why is that ghost, for what useful purpose????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ghostdogtxn (#33)

WTF are you talking about? 4um gave Ron Paul tons of support,

rah rah cheer leading does not count, money received counts. Obama received 2 million per day with little effort.

Now we seem to understand from whence it came.

" As for the troops in Afghanistan, it's a stupid move, a blunder,

Lets discuss that part, have you given it any thot as to WHY Obama would want more troops in Afghanistan???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: ghostdogtxn (#48)

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does.

Obama stakes turf, outlines counterterrorism plan - Would add troops in Afghanistan, double foreign aid

From:
The Boston Globe
Date:
August 2, 2007
Author:
Scott Helman
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WASHINGTON - The United States must add at least 7,000 troops in Afghanistan, double foreign aid spending to $50 billion, and be prepared to strike unilaterally against terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois said yesterday in a major speech laying out his counterterrorism plan.

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Obama says he'd send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists.

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Date:
August 1, 2007
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Byline: Margaret Talev

WASHINGTON _ Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday that if he were president and had good intelligence about top terrorists in Pakistan, he'd send U.S. troops to hunt them down if Pakistan's government wouldn't do it.

Seeking to establish his foreign-policy credentials a week after Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., accused him of being naive for being willing to talk with the leaders of hostile nations without preconditions, the first-term Illinois senator gave a comprehensive speech on fighting global terrorism before the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington.

Obama called for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq and redeploying at least two more brigades to Afghanistan, along with $1 billion in additional nonmilitary aid. He reiterated a willingness to talk with leaders from nations such as Iran, Syria and North Korea: "The lesson of the Bush years is that not talking does not work. Go down the list of countries we've ignored and see how successful that strategy has been."

But his controversial words about Pakistan _ where Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida has been regrouping, according to the latest National Intelligence Estimate _ drew the most attention.

Obama said he'd make hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional on President Pervez Musharraf moving to shutter terrorism training camps, preventing terrorists from hiding in his country and stopping the Taliban from running back and forth across the border to attack in Afghanistan.

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama said. "But let me make this clear: There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. ... If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will."

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Obama: Shift Troops to Fight al-Qaida

OELWEIN, Iowa - The U.S. should shift troops from Iraq to pursue al- Qaida along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Saturday.

He said President Bush's war-fighting policies have left the United States at greater risk from terrorists. The first-term Illinois senator said decisions by the Republican president had allowed Osama bin Laden and his deputies to elude capture.

"We cannot win a war against the terrorists if we're on the wrong battlefield," Obama said. "America must urgently begin deploying from Iraq and take the fight more effectively to the enemy's home by destroying al- Qaida's leadership along the Afghan-Pakistan border, eliminating their command and control networks and disrupting their funding."

Obama spoke during his 15th trip to Iowa, where precinct caucuses set for January begin the presidential nominating process. He opened his day with a rally on the shores of a lake in Oelwein before his later stops.

The senator focused on the threat of terrorism just days after a new U.S. intelligence assessment warned that al-Qaida has succeeded in rebuilding its strength.

"What I would say is that as a consequence of bad decisions we are more at risk and less safe than we should have been at this point, given all the resources we have spent and the U.S. lives that have been lost," Obama said.

Obama contended the Bush administration erred by choosing to fight in Iraq rather than concentrating on Afghanistan, where he said al-Qaida has rebuilt itself.

"They have entirely regrouped along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border," Obama said. "The threat of terrorism has actually increased and we've seen a massive spike in terrorist activity, in part because we did not finish the job in Afghanistan and were distracted by a war of choice in Iraq."

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