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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 5331
Comments: 259

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I doubt Obama is electable in the fall, but I KNOW Hillary isn't.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-07   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Sam Houston (#1)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   9:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

I didn't get the impression there was a big surge for Obama when I was in the southeast part of the state around Easter. It was non-stop MSM politics. People are sick of it.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   9:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: angle (#10)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

I think there's a lot of misunderestimation going on about Obama.

Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:18:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ghostdogtxn (#20) (Edited)

There may not be enough guilt laden whites out there, but how many bloodthirsty warmongers are left?

Plenty in both so called "parties".

We received next to zilch support here for Ron Paul, the only non war monger, but all of a sudden the Obama chorus is loud and clear. Very odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#24)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

Geeze. You make me sad, Cyni. You really do.

ghost...

You raised the "war mongering" issue.

Paul was the only man that would have ended the war, yet 4um gave next to zero support. Now all of a sudden we justify supporting Obama because he is not a warmonger????

Yet openly he says we need to move more troops into Afghanistan. why is that ghost, for what useful purpose????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#31)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ghostdogtxn (#33)

WTF are you talking about? 4um gave Ron Paul tons of support,

rah rah cheer leading does not count, money received counts. Obama received 2 million per day with little effort.

Now we seem to understand from whence it came.

" As for the troops in Afghanistan, it's a stupid move, a blunder,

Lets discuss that part, have you given it any thot as to WHY Obama would want more troops in Afghanistan???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#40)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: ghostdogtxn (#48)

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does.

He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: angle (#74)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: ghostdogtxn (#110)

This has nothing to do with whether he'd make a good president or not. I think he'll be a poor president at best, but less of a disaster than the other 2 options.

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does. He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

So you take a politician at his word during campaign season?

Me, not so much.

If you don't take him at his word, how did you conclude he would be less of a disaster than the other 2? Was it is voting record? I am seriously trying to understand how some have come to this conclusion. Maybe it's just a 'feeling'... please elaborate!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   13:21:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Peppa (#112)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:33:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: ghostdogtxn (#121)

So basically, without a record and believing what you don't see is proof that he is not bought and sold, you just sort of feel that his is better choice.

To excuse his non-voting record as okay because it's politically smart to keep everyone guessing is giving the guy a blank check with your life.

This to me, hooks you a position to support him no matter what he does for purposes of loyalty to his success at the possible expense to your own.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   13:44:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Peppa (#129)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:46:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#147. To: ghostdogtxn (#131)

You ducked the question.

What are my options?

Did I? Unless you choose to write someone in, then really, there are are none. Unless you decide not to vote at all. That's a tricky thing, because we know the process is corrupted and the outcome pre-determined...so playing along at all is hard to do. We've all known that though, and aren't deluded into false beliefs. It's nice to think millions more people will engage in the process, because as I see it, they are more apt to keep tabs on what 'their guy' does, and who is fighting him/her/it.

Still, the argument that not voting means you no longer have a right to criticize is made all the time, and I don't agree with that either. If you have no faith, and decide not to vote, then you just saved yourself time and bit of grief, but as a taxpayer, and a citizen, you have every right to speak up.

There are other options though to try and change the system from the ground up, and expend your energy there. Didn't you say a while back you were asked to run as a Ron Paul Democrat? I can't remember exactly, but it takes more than most people are willing and able to give to consider doing that, and usually for a boat load of ungrateful people. ;)

Sorry this was an essay.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08 14:11:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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