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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 4013
Comments: 259

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I doubt Obama is electable in the fall, but I KNOW Hillary isn't.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-07   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   9:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't get the impression there was a big surge for Obama when I was in the southeast part of the state around Easter. It was non-stop MSM politics. People are sick of it.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   9:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think there's a lot of misunderestimation going on about Obama.

Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:18:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There may not be enough guilt laden whites out there, but how many bloodthirsty warmongers are left?

Plenty in both so called "parties".

We received next to zilch support here for Ron Paul, the only non war monger, but all of a sudden the Obama chorus is loud and clear. Very odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Geeze. You make me sad, Cyni. You really do.

ghost...

You raised the "war mongering" issue.

Paul was the only man that would have ended the war, yet 4um gave next to zero support. Now all of a sudden we justify supporting Obama because he is not a warmonger????

Yet openly he says we need to move more troops into Afghanistan. why is that ghost, for what useful purpose????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

WTF are you talking about? 4um gave Ron Paul tons of support,

rah rah cheer leading does not count, money received counts. Obama received 2 million per day with little effort.

Now we seem to understand from whence it came.

" As for the troops in Afghanistan, it's a stupid move, a blunder,

Lets discuss that part, have you given it any thot as to WHY Obama would want more troops in Afghanistan???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does.

He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This has nothing to do with whether he'd make a good president or not. I think he'll be a poor president at best, but less of a disaster than the other 2 options.

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does. He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

So you take a politician at his word during campaign season?

Me, not so much.

If you don't take him at his word, how did you conclude he would be less of a disaster than the other 2? Was it is voting record? I am seriously trying to understand how some have come to this conclusion. Maybe it's just a 'feeling'... please elaborate!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   13:21:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:33:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So basically, without a record and believing what you don't see is proof that he is not bought and sold, you just sort of feel that his is better choice.

To excuse his non-voting record as okay because it's politically smart to keep everyone guessing is giving the guy a blank check with your life.

This to me, hooks you a position to support him no matter what he does for purposes of loyalty to his success at the possible expense to your own.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   13:44:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So basically, without a record and believing what you don't see is proof that he is not bought and sold, you just sort of feel that his is better choice.

Better than someone who's open to being in Iraq for 100 years and sings "Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran"?

It's about impossible to imagine Obama be a worse choice, ergo, he must be at least a little better. Would that be wrong?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-08   14:14:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Better than someone who's open to being in Iraq for 100 years and sings "Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran"?

It's about impossible to imagine Obama be a worse choice, ergo, he must be at least a little better. Would that be wrong?

When you look at his advisors, and read how his position has shifted time and again, he is being politically cute to obtain the support he needs from the audience he speaks before.

We know McCain is nuts. We know Barack is controlled. We know HIllary want's to be Queen and is as ruthless as they come.

Obama could indeed be worse, by looking at his fiscal mentality, of which there is none. Spend spend spend, more more programs, and we are broke. He is well aware that we are in the ME forever.

Sorry, he is the worst of the three without fully knowing his own true positions. That said, he could state them, and then bring the truth of the matter to the people. Example, before we establish more entitlement programs, we must balance our budget and fund current commmittments such as Social Security etc. No, we see he supports a global tax, (more cfr crap) as well as a mandated health care program. Where, is the money going to come from? Is that leadership? Or is that pandering? Is there even a possibility it could happen at all? We are being pushed into socialized healthcare no doubt, but the responsible thing is to be honest about the true economic state of the nation, and the truth about our foreign committments.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   14:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama could indeed be worse, by looking at his fiscal mentality, of which there is none. Spend spend spend, more more programs, and we are broke. He is well aware that we are in the ME forever.

You're ignoring the economic costs of a war with Iran, I think.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   14:45:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama could indeed be worse, by looking at his fiscal mentality, of which there is none. Spend spend spend, more more programs, and we are broke. He is well aware that we are in the ME forever. You're ignoring the economic costs of a war with Iran, I think.

Yes, we are at war. If Iran is averted, it's not like our costs are going down now is it? Why more programs? We are 9T in debt, and he want's more programs. That costs money. Money we don't have. Jobs are leaving, people are losing jobs, so, shouldn't we pay the debt we have, rather than incur more debt for programs we can't afford?

Cutting any programs will tick off that voting block. So, I suggest a 100% tax on a targeted segment society. Who should pay?

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   14:50:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If Iran is averted, it's not like our costs are going down now is it?

You think a man who can joke about "bomb bomb Iran" will avoid war with that country?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   14:52:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You think a man who can joke about "bomb bomb Iran" will avoid war with that country?

And by that do you suggest I support McCain? I've posted much about Obama's advisors strategy on this. Were you able to connect the dots? Obama is saying what we want to hear, but what is playing out here is a redeployment of troops for a much bigger one. Bigger wider war, more troops.. now THAT is more expensive no? Maybe it is that staying out of Iran is the better thing no matter what else blows up........

Then, with trusty McCain in the Senate, he can vote the funds for it! So, in a way, you could get it all.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   15:00:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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